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  • #1142
    Neady83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    To quote FB

    "@montaneuk Spine Race course record holder and @Columbia1938 athlete Eoin Keith told us an early fall, where robust GPS unit met chest, may be the cause of why he's feeling slightly below par. To be performing this strongly, while suffering unexpectedly early, is a tribute to the man."

    He's some man to be performing like this with an injury.


  • #1143
    jamule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    Enduro retired.


  • #1144
    kit3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭kit3


    jamule wrote: »
    Enduro retired.

    Must be hurt - wise move if that is the case.


  • #1145
    DubOnHoliday
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭DubOnHoliday


    being injued in a short race is bad enough, being injured in something like that, I can't imagine. Best wishes to Enduro.


  • #1146
    axe2grind
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭axe2grind


    Neady83 wrote: »
    To quote FB

    "@montaneuk Spine Race course record holder and @Columbia1938 athlete Eoin Keith told us an early fall, where robust GPS unit met chest, may be the cause of why he's feeling slightly below par. To be performing this strongly, while suffering unexpectedly early, is a tribute to the man."

    He's some man to be performing like this with an injury.
    Further quote from FB
    Eoin Keith (IRL) in good spirits despite DNF at Alston. Confirmed fractured rib from a fall on the first night. He continued on anyway. "I wasn't going to retire in a podium spot," he said. But once Tom Hollins (GBR) passed him he decided to drop.


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  • #1147
    Ed Mc Groarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Ed Mc Groarty


    You would think Tom Hollins would be in a different category being a supported runner.


  • #1148
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    axe2grind wrote: »
    Further quote from FB
    Eoin Keith (IRL) in good spirits despite DNF at Alston. Confirmed fractured rib from a fall on the first night. He continued on anyway. "I wasn't going to retire in a podium spot," he said. But once Tom Hollins (GBR) passed him he decided to drop.

    That is mental, the pain must have been unreal. To keep going as long as he did is incredible.


  • #1149
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Ed Mc Groarty wrote: »
    You would think Tom Hollins would be in a different category being a supported runner.

    Any of them can be supported I believe. Linked post is from the Tri forum thread.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102316009&postcount=57


  • #1150
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Looks like both the male and female course records at The Spine belong to the Irish now. Carol Morgan finishing joint 6th, 2nd placed lady not even in her mind. :)


  • #1151
    Ed Mc Groarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Ed Mc Groarty


    RacoonQueen wrote:
    Looks like both the male and female course records at The Spine belong to the Irish now. Carol Morgan finishing joint 6th, 2nd placed lady not even in her mind.


    Looks like she knocked 45hrs off the previous record.
    Major achievement.


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  • #1152
    UM1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭UM1


    super run by sinead kane in espoo 24 hr race.. brilliant debut 170km ..one tuff lady just after doin the 7 in 7..readin her blog she hadnt done much training..she can only get better..


  • #1153
    kit3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭kit3


    UM1 wrote: »
    super run by sinead kane in espoo 24 hr race.. brilliant debut 170km ..one tuff lady just after doin the 7 in 7..readin her blog she hadnt done much training..she can only get better..

    Fair play to her - surely she can't be fully recovered from the 777 either. Must be difficult to get out & train if you are depending on others to guide you. It's one thing getting out when it's just up to you - this is a different level of commitment. Will be interesting to see how she goes if this is a debut under those circumstances .


  • #1154
    TFBubendorfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    UM1 wrote: »
    super run by sinead kane in espoo 24 hr race.. brilliant debut 170km ..one tuff lady just after doin the 7 in 7..readin her blog she hadnt done much training..she can only get better..

    Surely the 7in7 WAS her training. After that she had to recover, so any stringent training between the two events would only have been counter-productive.

    That all aside, it's great stuff from a very inspiring person!


  • #1155
    UM1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭UM1


    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    Surely the 7in7 WAS her training. After that she had to recover, so any stringent training between the two events would only have been counter-productive.

    That all aside, it's great stuff from a very inspiring person!
    im sure she would of gotten some training benifit from it,..but as training for a 24hr race prob not tje best way to go....or it could be :)


  • #1156
    Ed Mc Groarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Ed Mc Groarty


    Yvonne Naughton finished on 212km at Riverbank one day race. There's a comment on the US 24hr team page which makes me think she's aiming for the Irish team.
    Anyone?


  • #1157
    UM1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭UM1


    Ed Mc Groarty wrote: »
    Yvonne Naughton finished on 212km at Riverbank one day race. There's a comment on the US 24hr team page which makes me think she's aiming for the Irish team.
    Anyone?
    was watching that..didnt even think of lookin at results...200k is ladies qualification standard


  • #1158
    mathso
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭mathso


    Would anyone agree that this ladies has an unfair advantage over other runners , having a coach like JOR on the track with her
    Has to help


  • #1159
    Ed Mc Groarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Ed Mc Groarty


    mathso wrote: »
    Would anyone agree that this ladies has an unfair advantage over other runners , having a coach like JOR on the track with her
    Has to help

    Yep! + she doesn't have to worry weather it's day or night, she's not distracted by the latest running skorts and I'm pretty sure I saw JOR drag her caveman style for several laps by the guide rope. She should be left to her own devices and in the case of Victoria Park a lifeguard on duty just in case.


  • #1160
    TFBubendorfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    If someone wants to gain an advantage by benefitting from JOR's advice, all they have to do is ask him. I have yet to see a race where he didn't generously give out advice to other runners - that includes a race that he was leading while helping and encouraging the second placed runner.

    SK has been dealing with bullying all her life but manages to pull through and do something remarkable. And still there are begrudgers who have to try and put a wedge in anything and everything. How sad is that!


  • #1161
    mathso
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭mathso


    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    If someone wants to gain an advantage by benefitting from JOR's advice, all they have to do is ask him. I have yet to see a race where he didn't generously give out advice to other runners - that includes a race that he was leading while helping and encouraging the second placed runner.

    SK has been dealing with bullying all her life but manages to pull through and do something remarkable. And still there are begrudgers who have to try and put a wedge in anything and everything. How sad is that!

    I disagree a little with you there.
    To use the bully card is just wrong here , I am making a point that she had an advantage having a very experienced runner tied to her arm.Everyone else was solo.
    As for JOR being helpful .
    I tried to engage him in conversation on the track before and he blanked me .
    In fairness he did later apologise and said when he is racing he doesn't talk to anyone. Infact I later heard runners complaining about him being rude and beep beeping them on the track.
    As for SK, I don't know her, maybe she is entitled to her 10 mins of fame but not a level playing field , in my opinion


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  • #1162
    TFBubendorfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    mathso wrote: »
    I disagree a little with you there.
    To use the bully card is just wrong here , I am making a point that she had an advantage having a very experienced runner tied to her arm.Everyone else was solo.
    As for JOR being helpful .
    I tried to engage him in conversation on the track before and he blanked me .
    In fairness he did later apologise and said when he is racing he doesn't talk to anyone. Infact I later heard runners complaining about him being rude and beep beeping them on the track.
    As for SK, I don't know her, maybe she is entitled to her 10 mins of fame but not a level playing field , in my opinion

    I have had runners run right at my arm when I was pacing a marathon and find it a rather unpleasant experience. I cannot imagine being forced to run for 24 hours in step with someone else and I definitely cannot see how this can be an advantage.

    As for JOR not talking when he's racing that's just BS. I have seen him plenty of times myself. I even have a photo of the two of us running side by side, clearly chatting as we do so, in a championship race.


  • #1163
    Neady83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Not only does SK have a disadvantage in not being able to see during these incredibly long races but she has a huge disadvantage with regard to her training.

    Can you imagine the mental strength that you would need to get through 24 hours of racing without having the distraction of being able to see your competitors or see the surrounding area. When the physical pain gets tough, we can distract ourselves by focusing on what is in front of us or the back of the person ahead of us, she has nothing but her thoughts to distract her.

    She can't train like the rest of us, she can't just put on her runners and head out whenever she has the time of the feeling washes over her. She has to plan days if not weeks in advance when she wants to train as she needs to arrange a guide.


  • #1164
    Enduro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Ed Mc Groarty wrote: »
    Yvonne Naughton finished on 212km at Riverbank one day race. There's a comment on the US 24hr team page which makes me think she's aiming for the Irish team.
    Anyone?

    She was, and it looks like she sailed passed the qualification mark. Another step up in Irish 24 hour running standards. Great to see.

    I was following 3 different ultra races over the weekend, and this one was the pick of the crop. Every hour interval which I saw had a woman outright leading the field, and indeed the race was outright won by woman (But there was a fantastic internal race there... real tortoise and hare stuff), IIRC the second time in a row she has done that. The American Women's team has a genuine possibility of locking out the podium at the worlds in Belfast.

    The whole race, for me, turned out to be an great lesson in pacing, with the long game even pacers overwhelming the explosive starters across the board.


  • #1165
    TFBubendorfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    Enduro wrote: »
    The American Women's team has a genuine possibility of locking out the podium at the worlds in Belfast.

    They came very close in Turin (1, 2, 4) but I think Maria Jannson will once more be looking to spoil that particular party.


  • #1166
    Ed Mc Groarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Ed Mc Groarty


    Ed Mc Groarty wrote: »
    Yep! + she doesn't have to worry weather it's day or night, she's not distracted by the latest running skorts and I'm pretty sure I saw JOR drag her caveman style for several laps by the guide rope. She should be left to her own devices and in the case of Victoria Park a lifeguard on duty just in case.

    I would just like to state this is a tongue in cheek reply to a ridiculous idea that Sinead has some sort of advantage over other runners because she has an expierenced runner as a guide.


  • #1167
    PaulieC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭PaulieC


    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    SK has been dealing with bullying all her life but manages to pull through and do something remarkable. And still there are begrudgers who have to try and put a wedge in anything and everything. How sad is that!

    Great use of the bully card here to try to stop any sort of discussion or debate on the subject.
    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    As for JOR not talking when he's racing that's just BS. I have seen him plenty of times myself. I even have a photo of the two of us running side by side, clearly chatting as we do so, in a championship race.

    Again, shutting down the discussion. Does your opinion always trump someone else's ? Can someone else not have a different experience without you calling it BS ?
    Neady83 wrote: »
    Not only does SK have a disadvantage in not being able to see during these incredibly long races but she has a huge disadvantage with regard to her training.

    Can you imagine the mental strength that you would need to get through 24 hours of racing without having the distraction of being able to see your competitors or see the surrounding area. When the physical pain gets tough, we can distract ourselves by focusing on what is in front of us or the back of the person ahead of us, she has nothing but her thoughts to distract her.

    She can't train like the rest of us, she can't just put on her runners and head out whenever she has the time of the feeling washes over her. She has to plan days if not weeks in advance when she wants to train as she needs to arrange a guide.

    See ? Here's a well thought out and well presented answer to the original question.

    Boards - Now Ye're Talking. Indeed...


  • #1168
    mathso
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭mathso


    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    I have had runners run right at my arm when I was pacing a marathon and find it a rather unpleasant experience. I cannot imagine being forced to run for 24 hours in step with someone else and I definitely cannot see how this can be an advantage.

    As for JOR not talking when he's racing that's just BS. I have seen him plenty of times myself. I even have a photo of the two of us running side by side, clearly chatting as we do so, in a championship race.

    I'm sorry but I am a bit surprised by your BS comment referring to my post, I know what the man said to me FACT.
    Maybe there is great banter between two runners at the business end of event like the 24 hour race but to midpack runners like myself that is not the case.
    He might treat you differently out of respect as a potential podium finisher.
    No disrespect to JOR as I said he was very friendly after the race .
    As for SK running tied to another runner , if you do it every run, that's all she knows .
    She would be well used to it .
    I remember a very nice girl running in the 24 hour race, closing in on the win in the last hour, her sister in an attempt to keep her going ran a few laps on the track with her .
    She was told to leave the track as she could get her sister the race leader, disqualified.
    No pacing or coaching allowed .
    If you have two very experienced runners guiding you around taking turns on the track with you there has to be a serious advantage.
    All you have to do is run blind , excuse the pun, and not worry about pace, track position what lap your on etc etc


  • #1169
    johnoregan777
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭johnoregan777


    Mathso, the last time I rember talking to you was at the Pacers meal for Dublin 2015.
    I was obviously very rude to you and if I was, it was unintentional.


  • #1170
    TFBubendorfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    mathso wrote: »
    I'm sorry but I am a bit surprised by your BS comment referring to my post, I know what the man said to me FACT.
    Maybe there is great banter between two runners at the business end of event like the 24 hour race but to midpack runners like myself that is not the case.
    He might treat you differently out of respect as a potential podium finisher.

    In my very first 24 hours race I would not have been seen as a potential podium finisher and yet JOR talked to me a number of times, giving out little bits of advice and being very supportive. He did the same with other runners. When one runner got into serious difficulties he practically guided her back to the start area, making sure she was alright.

    We all have highs and lows in long races and when you're in the middle of a rough patch then talking to anyone else isn't going to be on your list of things to do, so maybe that accounts for JOR's lack of enthusiasm at one point but I definitely have never heard anyone talking of him as being rude!

    Back to your original question, does SK have an unfair advantage? Looking at the responses here the general consensus is that she does not. Even if she had it would be unlikely to make up for the severe disadvantage that she cannot just head out of a training run like you and me can, everything has to be planned well in advance and those plans are bound to be disrupted at times,


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  • #1171
    mathso
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭mathso


    johnoregan777 wrote: »
    Mathso, the last time I rember talking to you was at the Pacers meal for Dublin 2015.
    I was obviously very rude to you and if I was, it was unintentional.

    Can I just clarify John
    I'm was in your company at the Pacers meal. It was a very enjoyable conversation about the gym work you do and your training etc. You were quite the gentleman and my wife also enjoy the evening.
    I never said any were in my post that you were rude to me .
    On the track is tried to talk to you and you blanked me.
    That is true , as i said you were quite friendly afterwards and explained that you didn't like to talk while you were racing. I have no problem with that.
    I heard other competitors complain that you were rude and that you beep beep them to get past on the track.
    In fact someone who I won't name told me if you beep beep him again he was going to knock you out .
    They are the fond memories i have of the Belfast 24 race


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