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Debate: Does it annoy you that RTE are only Broadcaster on HD on Saorview?

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  • #122
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    There is no reason why 2RN should not make 720 by 576 the minimum resolution on Saorview (except they would need permission from Comreg, BAI and the Minister). The capacity is there and so there would be no increase in overall cost. The only difference would be RTE pay slightly less or RTE increase the bandwidth used on their two HD channels to keep the charges the same.

    This is not how it works.

    Also the issue is not with HD, but the SD stations.


  • #123
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    It may be a business trying to make a profit, but its not good enough. TV3 group are owned by a very wealthy organization which could give them a head start.
    The fear is we could end up watching 3 ITV channels on Saorview with the 10 year deal they've done. I watch most of these on ITV HD (freesat). TV3 needs to be careful and get their act together.


  • #124
    former total
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I do not agree with you as SD (squidgey vision) turns off many viewers and can be impossible to watch. Good PQ will add to most programmes and add to the perception of the channel. TV3 currently overuse advertising that leads to long commercial breaks and coupled with Squidgey Vision makes the channel unwatchable.

    So it is a business decision but also a value decision.

    Being a cheapskate gets you cheapskate business - as in pound shops are not places to go to find quality - they are places to find poor quality products at poor quality prices.

    So you want them to provide HD content and so incur greater cost, but also reduce their income by having fewer ads. It's an interesting business tactic...

    Look, you can't berate them as cheapskates for not providing HD content for free, when you yourself could pay it if you really want it. Do you not see the irony in that?


  • #125
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    soarview is the poor relation of platforms, TV3 doesn't care because it knows the majority of it's viewers and certainly viewing hours are on Sky and Virgin.


  • #126
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,358 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    former total wrote: »
    So you want them to provide HD content and so incur greater cost, but also reduce their income by having fewer ads. It's an interesting business tactic...

    Look, you can't berate them as cheapskates for not providing HD content for free, when you yourself could pay it if you really want it. Do you not see the irony in that?

    Why do restaurants, pubs, shops and like businesses revamp their premises from time to time? It is to give a better quality image displaying a more modern/up to date look. The intention is to bring in more customers.

    The same philosophy applies to TV3 and the other channels that resolutely refuse to improve their PQ on Saorview - improve the offering.

    The issue of longer ad breaks is that when the break starts - so does channel hopping. Long breaks loses viewers - they do not come back.

    I have no intention of watching any Saorview channels on a pay TV platform when I just need to switch to Freeview for the HD version. It is not that TV3 et al produce much of their own content that is worth watching anyway in SD or HD.

    All this mess is caused by ineffectual ministers and their very poor advisers.


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  • #127
    former total
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Why do restaurants, pubs, shops and like businesses revamp their premises from time to time? It is to give a better quality image displaying a more modern/up to date look. The intention is to bring in more customers.

    The same philosophy applies to TV3 and the other channels that resolutely refuse to improve their PQ on Saorview - improve the offering.

    The issue of longer ad breaks is that when the break starts - so does channel hopping. Long breaks loses viewers - they do not come back.

    I have no intention of watching any Saorview channels on a pay TV platform when I just need to switch to Freeview for the HD version. It is not that TV3 et al produce much of their own content that is worth watching anyway in SD or H
    All this mess is caused by ineffectual ministers and their very poor advisers.

    If they don't have any content worth watching (and I agree), what are you so worried about?

    Freeview/Freesat - most of the commercial stations are only in SD. ITV, C4, Channel 5 are in HD - everything else is SD I think?

    Restaurants and pubs do revamp their premises - but for paying customers. TV3 HD is on UPC, Sky and Eir.

    The core issue is that broadcasting on Saorview is not commercially worthwhile because there simply are not enough people watching it. There's no getting around that. It's not the minister's fault. It's just the way of things.


  • #128
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    Now we have the launch of b3 on all major platforms, VM have removed the HD version of UTVi/be on Sky (267), On Monday 00:55am they launched 3e HD on their own VM platform. Here's hoping TV3 will launch its HD service on saorview in the not to distant future.


  • #129
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,358 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Mickey Mike wrote: »
    Now we have the launch of b3 on all major platforms, VM have removed the HD version of UTVi/be on Sky (267), On Monday 00:55am they launched 3e HD on their own VM platform. Here's hoping TV3 will launch its HD service on saorview in the not to distant future.

    Some chance!


  • #130
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,915 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    Mickey Mike wrote: »
    Now we have the launch of b3 on all major platforms, VM have removed the HD version of UTVi/be on Sky (267), On Monday 00:55am they launched 3e HD on their own VM platform. Here's hoping TV3 will launch its HD service on saorview in the not to distant future.

    If they're removing HD services from other providers I'd say we have more chance of the second coming of Christ.


  • #131
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    Sad, sure I only know it too well.


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  • #132
    radiospan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭radiospan


    Anyone know if broadcasters can charge advertisers more for showing their ads in HD?

    (as in could that be an incentive for TV3 to move to HD on Saorview?)


  • #133
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    Why don't all the major bodies in this bang heads together and reach a deal to bring about TV3 HD and TG4 HD to Saorview, also increase picture quality on all other channels, this will be a massive boasts to the platform. Last I cannot see any further channels joining, so what we have can we please have right. HD test are ch. 14 is gone black.


  • #134
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,146 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Mickey Mike wrote: »
    Why don't all the major bodies in this bang heads together and reach a deal to bring about TV3 HD and TG4 HD to Saorview, also increase picture quality on all other channels, this will be a massive boasts to the platform. Last I cannot see any further channels joining, so what we have can we please have right. HD test are ch. 14 is gone black.

    They can't even do something as simple as give a release date for the Saorview Connect box that they announced they were working on over 3 years ago..

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057041188/11?


  • #135
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Advertisers should get a discount for ads shown on non-HD channels on Saorview. You can't even read the small print on the disclaimers because the text is all blurred.


  • #136
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,358 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Mickey Mike wrote: »
    Why don't all the major bodies in this bang heads together and reach a deal to bring about TV3 HD and TG4 HD to Saorview, also increase picture quality on all other channels, this will be a massive boasts to the platform. Last I cannot see any further channels joining, so what we have can we please have right. HD test are ch. 14 is gone black.

    It would make sense to scrap the current charge structure based on bandwidth used. It distorts the charges as it is in no-one's interest to go HD unless everyone else does, but the same applies to everyone else.

    2RN should charge a base price per channel based on a used bandwidth of a SD 720 by 576 interlaced. HD would be 1440 or 1920 by 1080i. There should be no advantage for broadcasting in fuzzy-vision.


  • #137
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Is this charging system a 2RN idea or is it imposed from above at BAI or ministerial level?


  • #138
    Stasi 2.0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭Stasi 2.0


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    I hate when TV3/TG4 get any live tv events as they are bordering on unwatchable wth the brutal picture, like a low quality web stream from.

    Are we not being a tad over dramatic ?

    The picture quality even on SD channels is far better than we were getting on analogue only a few years ago. Although SD channels should be offering full (576 x 720) resolution

    HD is nice to have on PSB channels but is a waste of bandwidth on
    1) Rolling news channels
    2) "+1" channels
    3) Low rent commercial channels


  • #139
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,044 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    Is this charging system a 2RN idea or is it imposed from above at BAI or ministerial level?

    EU market regulation via Comreg.


  • #140
    galtee boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Stasi 2.0 wrote: »
    Are we not being a tad over dramatic ?

    The picture quality even on SD channels is far better than we were getting on analogue only a few years ago. Although SD channels should be offering full (576 x 720) resolution

    HD is nice to have on PSB channels but is a waste of bandwidth on
    1) Rolling news channels
    2) "+1" channels
    3) Low rent commercial channels

    I would agree with you about SD v old analogue, but once you see a channel in HD, there's no going back to SD, it's like asking people to switch back to black and white from colour.


  • #141
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    20 years ago when TG4 and later TV3 launched there was only 1 system (terrestrial). Now there's loads of platforms so terrestrial is not as important. I feel 2rn should make the first move in pushing for High Definition on these two channels and hopefully Comreg will cooperate with new pricing methods. It shouldn't be too difficult to achieve, especially with all that wasted bandwidth on Mux2.


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  • #142
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    This debate keeps coming up, as though it is Saorview's fault.

    TV3 do not want to broadcast in HD on Saorview. All this talk about 2RN should do this, the minister should do this, it's missing the point; TV3 simply will not do it because it is not in their interests to do so.


  • #143
    StreetLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    Former Former wrote: »
    This debate keeps coming up, as though it is Saorview's fault.

    TV3 do not want to broadcast in HD on Saorview. All this talk about 2RN should do this, the minister should do this, it's missing the point; TV3 simply will not do it because it is not in their interests to do so.

    But the public interest in it should account for something.


  • #144
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,382 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Former Former wrote: »
    This debate keeps coming up, as though it is Saorview's fault.

    TV3 do not want to broadcast in HD on Saorview. All this talk about 2RN should do this, the minister should do this, it's missing the point; TV3 simply will not do it because it is not in their interests to do so.

    The Minister should simply set a date and required that licenced stations are HD on that data. End of story.


  • #145
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    Former Former wrote: »
    This debate keeps coming up, as though it is Saorview's fault.

    TV3 do not want to broadcast in HD on Saorview. All this talk about 2RN should do this, the minister should do this, it's missing the point; TV3 simply will not do it because it is not in their interests to do so.

    Ok yes I get, but this was not the case a couple of years ago when negotiations were taking place, they did try, but now been owned by VM I see where you make since. I wonder now about TG4 HD


  • #146
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    The Minister should simply set a date and required that licenced stations are HD on that data. End of story.
    I wonder how many of these ministers would even know what HD was or can't see what the fuss is about as they watch their HD Sky sub. 'Let them eat cake' :rolleyes:


  • #147
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    StreetLight wrote: »
    But the public interest in it should account for something.

    I guess if the public want something, then yes, a private business should be forced to give it away for free.

    Come on lads, that is now how the real world works.


  • #148
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Former Former wrote: »
    I guess if the public want something, then yes, a private business should be forced to give it away for free.

    Come on lads, that is now how the real world works.

    5 HD in the UK went from being FTV (free but still needed a Sky card to view it) to going behind a paywall, and now is FTA on both satellite & terrestrial. This hasn't stopped it having back to back years of profit for the first time in its history. There's no excuse for TV3 not to be in HD on Saorview.


  • #149
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    I would gladly pay €10 extra on the TV license fee just to have that bit of extra quality, blurry picture is hard on the eye.


  • #150
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,358 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The Cush wrote: »
    EU market regulation via Comreg.

    Was this not on the back of complaints by TV3? Is there any evidence that there was any EU involvement?

    There is nothing to stop 2RN changing the base definition of SD to 720 by 576i which would make a huge difference to PQ.


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  • #151
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    MUX 1.........................MUX 2
    RTE1 1920 by 1080i.......RTE2 1920 by 1080i
    TG4 720 by 576i...........TV3 720 by 576i
    RTE NN 720 by 576i.......3e 720 by 576i
    RTE Jr/+1 720 by 576i....b3 720 by 576i
    OTV 720 by 576i...........Info ch. 720 by 576i
    RTE Radio channels.......Commercial Radio

    Such a simple plan. I done this before in case anyone thinks I've alzheimer's. If TV3 and TG4 don't want HD.
    Hope 2rn can see this.


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