Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

BrianG23 · 14-01-2017 04:39PM

orubiru wrote: »

Regarding the price, how much did people actually expect it to cost? How does that compare to other gadgets/consoles?

Regarding games, how many games to consoles generally have available at release? How many of those games are actually any good?

My experience has pretty much always been that buying a console on release day is quite expensive and there are very few games that are actually any good at launch. You probably end up with 1 or 2 great launch games and a load of games that you only play because there's nothing else.

Looks like Nintendo will have the same problem here as they had with the WiiU. There is a loyal fanbase that will buy the console and will end up looking back on it fondly but most other people will just ignore it.

I don't get the "Nintendo is finished" point of view as you can't really say that without comparing how much it costs them to make the console against how much revenue they actually make. I'm not sure I've seen anyone doing that.

Tangent : Watching the TotalBiscuit video there. How the hell can anyone tell whether they are playing a game at 30 fps versus 60 fps?

It shouldn't be more than the Xbox/Ps4 if its not pushing the hardware and also if its playing catch up. Nintendo should be playing it smart not pushing prices up, they need to prove the premium cost if they want to be as expensive as the other two. Throwing some execs on stage and some games that have been out on other systems for years isn't a good strategy at all. They just need to show games. If they're gonna show something like Skyrim how well does that bode for third party support?

Ace Attorney · 14-01-2017 04:39PM

nairy hipples wrote: »

I've made up my mind. Definitely getting a Switch. From watching the trailers again it's just sold me. The question now is whether to get it in March on launch or wait until Summer/Christmas, I have exams in April/May so I probably wouldn't get much time with it!

One thing I hope Nintendo do is market the bloody thing. It needs television adverts, paper adverts etc. Nintendo are notoriously poor on the marketing front. They need to get their message out there. If they nail the marketing I think Switch will be a success

I have it preordered with smyths, but Im thinking of holding off until may/june for a mario Kart deluxe / Splatoon 2 bundle at summer. I can still play BOTW on the wiiu until then, and maybe the price will have dropped by then. i agree with the more marking this time around, i think with the wiiu they relied on the adverting with the Wii brand name and figured that they didnt need to market the wiiU. The only ads i remember were for mariokart 8 and that was it!

14-01-2017 04:47PM

I've been talking negatively about the switch since the conference Friday morning but I'll still get it just not at launch.

Probably when ever Mario is released.

I would really like them to clarify the VC situation though.

Atari Jaguar · 14-01-2017 04:58PM

Ace Attorney wrote: »

I have it preordered with smyths, but Im thinking of holding off until may/june for a mario Kart deluxe / Splatoon 2 bundle at summer. I can still play BOTW on the wiiu until then, and maybe the price will have dropped by then. i agree with the more marking this time around, i think with the wiiu they relied on the adverting with the Wii brand name and figured that they didnt need to market the wiiU. The only ads i remember were for mariokart 8 and that was it!

That's exactly what they thought. Call it Wii U and the Wii crowd will flock for it, they said.

In reality the Wii Crowd assumed it was an add on - a very expensive one.

Mr.Saturn · 14-01-2017 05:16PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

It's simply lazy journalists, trying to ride a wave of popular opinion and maintain an appearance of being an opinion maker, rather than taking the time to actually play the thing and then make up their minds.
I firmly believe that this behaviour is, in part at least, responsible for the WiiU's short lifespan, despite being jam packed with games worth playing.

Having obtained a PS3 at launch, I can confidently assert that the Switch line-up makes a mockery of it, even if it's not the "come out all guns blazing" launch people were hoping for Nintendo's latest. Had I things like Zelda, Isaac: Afterbirth+, Ultra SF II and Disgaea 5 at the PS3's launch, I'd have not felt like I'd sunk the guts of a grand on a glorified PS2.

I'd agree that the journalistic nay-saying may've made a self-fulfilling prophecy for the Wii U, but Nintendo's failure with 3rd parties and the usual conservative launch schedule did little to challenge these perceptions. The Wii U received roughly half the number of 1st party titles as the Wii, and that's not accounting for factors such as remakes and remixes. I think there's an argument to be made that Nintendo themselves eventually bought into the "Wii U is a dud" anti-hype.

IncognitoMan · 14-01-2017 05:28PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

At last, a non-regular who get it!
Also, if you have a decent gaming PC, you don't need any console other than a Switch!

Well that's not really true at least from my own perspective. I've a decent pc and the older model ps4 and the ps4 gets much more use.

If I do end up with a switch that will probably jump ahead of the pc for use for gaming. There's something about pc gaming that's never grabbed me like the consoles have. I couldn't really care less about league of legends or Dota.

Also at least from my own point of view the playstation exclusives speak way more to me than the Xbox or pc ones so I do think the system is worth owning especially at the prices it's at now.

That's also Nintendo's main strength. Mario, Pokémon and Zelda are 3 games that I just can't get anywhere else. A remaster or new version of Pokémon Crystal would make the switch an instant buy for me

but I can only dream lol.

My main disappointment is that there is a decent possibility that only one of those titles will probably be on the system in 2017, apart from Mario kart obviously. So the switch went from a really exciting console to one I'll probably pick up near the end of 2017 or start of 2018.

earthwormjack · 14-01-2017 05:37PM

I ordered mine today after going back over trailers and treehouse streams. If I can get indie titles similar to Downwell/Binding of Isaac and Nintendo games for on the go, it'll be a great secondary device to my PC.

Xbox One and PS4 don't really offer anything of value to me yet so I have the Switch in mind for a secondary device.

14-01-2017 05:58PM

Has GameStop got in touch with any posters that pre ordered online for a fiver?

I remember a poster saying yesterday that he pre ordered in store with a E20 deposit and they rang looking for E50.

Wonder what will happen with the online pre orders.

johnpatrick81 · 14-01-2017 05:59PM

Valord wrote: »

You don't consider Zelda to be a solid game? I can scarcely think of another franchise that has such a consistently high-quality.

I said exclusive. It's released the same day on WiiU. Hence not an exclusive.

sligeach · 14-01-2017 06:01PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You guys comparing the launch to Xbone and Ps4, you're making a big omission, both were successors to HUGE successes. This is following up a massive flop.

Nintendo needed to come out of the blocks sprinting. Instead they are crawling.

Think about it. If they had waited til next year or later this year, and launched with a new Mario, an upgraded Mario Kart, a new Splatoon, an upgraded Zelda BOTW, and maybe even some new ones like Arms etc and 1 more big exclusive, it would have been epic. Instead it's a massive deflated disappointment.

Very true plus they wouldn't wait for the X2 chip which would have been at that stage I think. The hardware seems underwhelming to me. 32GB storage...AGAIN. They seem to have put a lot of tech in the Joy-cons, which I think was wrong. The gamepad was kind of the noose that held the Wii U back from being more powerful. Maybe this HD rumble will be great but I doubt it, reports are mixed. All the accessories are very expensive.

The third party support doesn't look good. I can usually tell whether something will succeed or not and I don't think the Switch will. I feel it's great as a handheld but as a console it doesn't seem much better than the Wii U. I want a powerful step up from the Wii U, I don't care for it being a handheld. But it can't be that because it's a handheld too. It can't have Streetpass because it's also a console. MK8 Deluxe could have been patched on Wii U with DLC. It's more of a handheld and I don't like that.

Then there's other things like their online subscription. They've been awful at it and they're now going to charge people for it. They're so conservative and their voicechat will now be through an app on our smart phones so as to kind of like pass the can. I know people will say it's for when you're out and about but it's not necessary. Or maybe it is because the Switch on its own can't handle it. That will eat my phone's battery and tie it up. People have had to use apps on the Wii U like Skype for voicechat and that's free.

Nobody's talked about the lack of camera. That will be done through an app I bet too and thank God really as any camera they've put in a device has been brutal.

Benzino · 14-01-2017 06:02PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Also, if you have a decent gaming PC, you don't need any console other than a Switch!

Ha, what a load of rubbish.

nairy hipples · 14-01-2017 06:02PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Has GameStop got in touch with any posters that pre ordered online for a fiver?

I remember a poster saying yesterday that he pre ordered in store with a E20 deposit and they rang looking for E50.

Wonder what will happen with the online pre orders.

I pre-ordered online on Thursday and paid a fiver and have heard nothing.

Although I don't condone GameStop I can see why maybe, I probably won't fulfill my pre-order and that could prevent them from selling it to someone else.

Just have to make up my mind on it, I'll cancel it if I don't go ahead, don't want to deprive another Boardsie of a Switch if they want it at launch!

Xenji · 14-01-2017 06:06PM

Still on the fence with my pre order, I waited about a year after release to get the Wii U mainly to let the game catelogue build up, I could not justify the price at launch, but in the end I have about 18 games and got great enjoyment out of the system and still do.

So I am edging to waiting till around Christmas time to pick it up and I will be picking it up, but cautious as well of delays in games and can also pick up Breath Of The Wild for the Wii U in the meantime.

Mr.Saturn · 14-01-2017 06:11PM

Benzino wrote: »

Ha, what a load of rubbish.

It's a relatively common argument in the PC gaming community. Folk like Northernlion and BaerTaffy recommend a PC and Wii U (now Switch, I guess). The logic being that most of the 3rd party AAA games end up on PC, with the XBone barely having a thing to call its own when PC is taken into account, whilst Nintendo's stuff remains exclusive. It discounts the usual decent-to-great flow (well, in generations prior) of great 1st party Sony games, but I can see the logic in it, if nothing else.

Kylo Ren · 14-01-2017 06:12PM

If it does not have voice chat, messaging and invite capabilities on the actual device and you need a smart device for these services...... It'll be....Jesus. I just can't even describe what it will be like.

People were using voice chat on the OG Xbox and PS2!

Retr0gamer · 14-01-2017 06:19PM

Benzino wrote: »

Ha, what a load of rubbish.

As a PC gamer you really don't. The PS4 really offers very little exclusives you can't get on PC and the One even less so. My PS4 never gets any use since Bloodbourne.

johnpatrick81 · 14-01-2017 06:35PM

Guys, some of you need to see the bigger picture.

We all want this to be a success. Who wouldn't love the WiiU to be still thriving instead of waiting for its last release?

The truth is they need to win back the masses and this launch was massively ignoring that fact. Hopefully it sells by the truck load and gains third party support. Sadly the price range and lineup point to the alternative of the doomed path of the Wii U

Mr E · 14-01-2017 06:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Has GameStop got in touch with any posters that pre ordered online for a fiver?

I remember a poster saying yesterday that he pre ordered in store with a E20 deposit and they rang looking for E50.

Wonder what will happen with the online pre orders.

Paid the 30 balance today. The gamestop employee said that they are expecting shortages (Nintendo themselves said that there will only be 2m units worldwide at launch). I'll throw another 100 on after I get paid at the end of the month.

orubiru · 14-01-2017 07:02PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Guys, some of you need to see the bigger picture.

We all want this to be a success. Who wouldn't love the WiiU to be still thriving instead of waiting for its last release?

The truth is they need to win back the masses and this launch was massively ignoring that fact. Hopefully it sells by the truck load and gains third party support. Sadly the price range and lineup point to the alternative of the doomed path of the Wii U

What does "doomed" mean though?

Did Nintendo make massive losses as a result of the Wii U sales figures?

The console came out in 2012 and I guess it's cycle was around 4 years. 13 million units sold is still a hefty chunk of revenue before adding in sales of games and sales from the eshop.

Using Metacritic as a very rough guide, you have 8 games scoring 90 or above (5 of those are exclusive) and another 70 games scoring from 80 to 89 (I think 12 of those are Wii U exclusive). So the console does have a library of good games and a solid roster of good exclusive games.

Obviously I am a fanboy for Nintendo here but I can accept that the WiiU did not sell as well as Nintendo would have hoped or expected BUT I think people are way too quick to come out with this "Nintendo is doomed" rhetoric.

I think it is clear from Nintendo's last few consoles that they have no intention of competing directly with Xbox or PS4 but are instead focusing on an "alternative" gaming system. As a result of this you would naturally expect lower sales figures and a smaller software library.

It's why I think the "3rd party support" thing is a bit overrated because the reality is that the Switch will be limited to Nintendo exclusives and re-releases of older games from 3rd parties. There's no way we are going to see Bethesda or Ubisoft or EA or Square Enix releasing their latest game on Nintendo Switch.

If the games that do release are great then what difference does it make really?

It's a niche product that is really only appealing to a small section of the console market.

In that context I am not sure what "doomed" would really mean?

super_furry · 14-01-2017 07:04PM

Amazon have stopped taking pre-orders now. I spent most of yesterday complaining about the price, the launch line-up and the fact that something like 1, 2 Switch wasn't a pack in.

I'm still going to keep my pre-order and get it with Zelda on day one. The fact is that no-one makes games as good as Nintendo and any of the frustrations vented here and nearly always by people who want to see them do well.

Now I just hope that someone has the good sense to make sure Stardew Valley gets ported to the Switch as soon as possible.

MilesMorales1 · 14-01-2017 07:06PM

I reckon we'll get another direct before launch with VC details and what not, and maybe stuff to look forward to.

The really logical (and cool) thing to do would be to have the entire Wii U/3DS virtual console available on the switch day one. Certainly make up for the somewhat lacking launch line up.

Digital Solitude · 14-01-2017 07:08PM

super_furry wrote: »

Amazon have stopped taking pre-orders now. I spent most of yesterday complaining about the price, the launch line-up and the fact that something like 1, 2 Switch wasn't a pack in.

I'm still going to keep my pre-order and get it with Zelda on day one. The fact is that no-one makes games as good as Nintendo and any of the frustrations vented here and nearly always by people who want to see them do well.

Now I just hope that someone has the good sense to make sure Stardew Valley gets ported to the Switch as soon as possible.

Think the Dev confirmed he'd be coding it for the Switch

johnpatrick81 · 14-01-2017 07:10PM

Doomed to the failed sales of WiiU. I get you are a fanboy as you yourself point out, but take off the blinkers for a second.

Now which number is better, 80million or 13million?

If you think the WiiU was a success you haven't a clue about business and surprise surprise Nintendo are a business.

I love my Wii U and I have gotten heaps of games on it.

However for Nintendo to stay in the hardware market which we all want, we need them to make this a success. It's not a good start.

mdwexford · 14-01-2017 07:10PM

Not sure why some Nintendo fans are so precious about defending them. You don't have to be a daily poster to have an opinion.

I'm not a regular poster here but I check in to keep up to date and have owned Nintendo consoles in the past. I didn't get a Wii U but held out hope that the new console would be good.

To me so far it looks disappointing, the power of the console and the games line up.

I will also leave it till Christmas now to see how thing are shaping up by then.

The PS4 has had some nice exclusives, Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian, Infamous Second Son and Ratchet and Clank are all worth playing.

There are already a lot of promising looking exclusives planned for this year.

CiDeRmAn · 14-01-2017 07:12PM

I think some folk seem to take some measure of delight in the downfall of something, be it a film, a book, a game or a console.
I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush, but there is objectively nothing exceptionally bad about the launch line up of the Switch, in fact the presence of BotW on launch day makes it exceptional compared to it's peers.

The pricing of the console seems a little high, but so compared to the PS4/XB1 now, rather than at launch, and I might expect a price change come Christmas '17, at least to either reduce the solas package to beneath €300 or include a pack in game at the current price point.
The matter of storage may become more obvious once we see the system at work, bearing in mind that this is a cart based machine rather than disk, so there may be provision for writable space on the cart for patches or DLC, and for read purposes the system will be much faster reading from a solid state device than a traditional hdd. Think of each game coming on it's own little SSD, no more or, at least, far less pronounced loading times, as we see on the 3DS and Vita right now.
Talk of the system being "doomed" only increases the chances of the system failing.
I would hope people could give it a chance, at least until they actually get to play it themselves, rather than just repeat what they've read elsewhere.
But, each to their own.
The buzz around the Switch seems genuine and mostly positive, though there will always be those to focus on the negative.

super_furry · 14-01-2017 07:14PM

Doomed or not, if the Switch doesn't perform better than the Wii U did, I'd be pretty confident it'd be the last Nintendo console we ever see. They've gone all in on bringing their mobile and console platforms together with this and over the lifetime of the Switch, I'd think that they really need it to at least match what the 3DS did sales wise.

CiDeRmAn · 14-01-2017 07:18PM

mdwexford wrote: »

The PS4 has had some nice exclusives, Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian, Infamous Second Son and Ratchet and Clank are all worth playing.

Honestly, those two aren't worth mentioning in the company of Bloodborne or The Last Guardian.
Bloodborne and TLG are bonafide masterpieces, once in a console generation kind of games, The Last Guardian could well find itself, along with Ico and SotC to be the kind of excellence that transcends console generations to be amongst the truly incredible games of all time, alongside Galaga, Pacman, Asteroids, Super Mario World, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Kart and so on.

Benzino · 14-01-2017 07:21PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Honestly, those two aren't worth mentioning in the company of Bloodborne or The Last Guardian.
Bloodborne and TLG are bonafide masterpieces, once in a console generation kind of games, The Last Guardian could well find itself, along with Ico and SotC to be the kind of excellence that transcends console generations to be amongst the truly incredible games of all time, alongside Galaga, Pacman, Asteroids, Super Mario World, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Kart and so on.

He's not saying they are masterpieces, just that they are worth playing, which they are

MilesMorales1 · 14-01-2017 07:22PM

I don't paticularly like the last guardian, find it clunky as anything.

mdwexford · 14-01-2017 07:23PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Honestly, those two aren't worth mentioning in the company of Bloodborne or The Last Guardian.
Bloodborne and TLG are bonafide masterpieces, once in a console generation kind of games, The Last Guardian could well find itself, along with Ico and SotC to be the kind of excellence that transcends console generations to be amongst the truly incredible games of all time, alongside Galaga, Pacman, Asteroids, Super Mario World, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Kart and so on.

I agree those two are different gravy towards the latter two.

Just saying I enjoyed playing through SS and R+C a lot and I couldn't do that on any other system.

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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