New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

j8wk2feszrnpao · 25-12-2016 12:24AM

Another good OL protection game tonight.
Run game with Blount was not good, the extra speed and step from Lewis was much needed. Having the variety is promising heading into the playoffs.

Didn't think we were great in the passing game, esp considering that the Jets folded early. A handful of drops (Hogan and White come to mind). Hope that Bennett is ready come the playoffs to step up as he did early in the season.

Looks like we really want to stick with the running game (even if it doesn't do much) to keep the clock running with possession. Even though we played non elite QB's, the D has done an excellent job and are a really good run.

Just need to wrap up home field next week. A Carr less Raiders would change the playoff picture. So interesting injury report ahead.

Son Of A Vidic · 25-12-2016 01:14AM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

No he was not. He barely got on the field for fook sake.Even for you this is one of the stupidist things to say. He was injured and then played rarely.

I'll ignore the predictability of the second sentence from you and stick to the topic at hand. Cannon barely played you say?

Year -Games -Started
2016 -13 -13
2015 -12 -8
2014 -16 -4
2013 -14 -6
2012 -16 -1
2011 -7 -0

http://www.patriots.com/team/players/roster/marcus-cannon

Now he wasn't a starter until this year, but saying he barely got on the field is a gross exaggeration. Canon was always Vollemer's back up, but not after this year I suspect.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

I couldn't count on one hand many Pats wanted him gone. No idea where you are getting this from.

You'll find a lot Pats fans forums in the UK and the US who shared the same opinion towards Canon last year. Although something tells me, you'll probably have something predictably derisory to say about those other forums.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Just ignoring the injuries and the sub par linemen starting that game of course i.e Kline and Stork and others rotating in. That Broncos Defense and front 7 were on a season high and mauled every team on their path to be fair. Vollmer was as bad as Canon that day but I wouldn't put it down to bad coaching that is just nonsense.

Thanks for mentioning Vollemer, because playing under Scar he was regarded as one of the best RT's in the game. With DeGuglielmo he just deteriorated. And Canon is playing so well now as a starter under Scar, it's unlikely Vollemer will get the starting job back from him.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

I never said it had nothing to do with him you clearly can't read but we have practically a whole new oline and of course a guy like Scar like I said will breed whole new confidence. But my point was you throwing Gug under the bus basically saying he was the fault of our oline being bad and you saying their is a dramatic difference which is simply not true and for the most part not comparable due to the personnel changes.

Throwing a guy under the bus? I couldn't careless about the guy. He didn't do his job, he was fired, Scar is back and that's Football. The big improvement in the O line since Scar returned is obvious. It's happened right in front of your eyes.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Oh yeah all of this is down to Offensive linemen coaching change. Get a grip.

Wow! So that's your response to me pointing out that our 2016 O line..
is running the ball really well this year.
is protecting Brady really well this year.
is able to close out games by running at will when it matters this year.
and personnel who played shít last year are now playing very well.
And you expect me to believe that the coaching change has not played a big role in all that? Nope, can't do it.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Oh and before you misquote me again. I love Scar and yes he is a better Offensive Line Coach than Gug his experience alone if one of the best in the league. But it is nothing more than nonsense to say he is the big difference in all of the above. Yes he is going to breed confidence and use his experience to get the best out of any lineman but lets not get silly and blame Gug for our failing against Denver. Scapegoating is nothing more than pathetic.

Why you obsessing over the Denver game? It was only ever given as an example. The O line were shyte for all of last season, not just the Denver game. There has been a big improvement this year and if you think that's just down to Scar giving some confidence and experience, then imo you're wrong. You can clearly see the effect Scar has had on the field, how the players are playing better in their individual assignments and how they are now playing this year as a cohesive unit. Despite the fact that it's an entirely new line, that's great coaching imo. The improvement in our O line is very significant and Scar has played a huge part in that.

TOss Sweep · 25-12-2016 01:40AM

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

I'll ignore the predictability of the second sentence from you and stick to the topic at hand. Cannon barely played you say?

Year -Games -Started
2016 -13 -13
2015 -12 -8
2014 -16 -4
2013 -14 -6
2012 -16 -1
2011 -7 -0

http://www.patriots.com/team/players/roster/marcus-cannon

Now he wasn't a starter until this year, but saying he barely got on the field is a gross exaggeration. Canon was always Vollemer's back up, but not after this year I suspect.

He played games but in many of those games had a handful of snaps but hey thanks for putting the evidence out there for everyone else to see saves me having to do it. But again if he was that good according to you wouldn't he have nailed down that starting spot right. Stop flip flopping all over the place trying to prove your point about Canon.

You'll find a lot Pats fans forums in the UK and the US who shared the same opinion towards Canon last year. Although something tells me, you'll probably have something predictably derisory to say about those other forums.

I don't need to look at forums because I live in New England and between Boards and non forum folk very few mentioned getting rid of him.

Thanks for mentioning Vollemer, because playing under Scar he was regarded as one of the best RT's in the game. With DeGuglielmo he just deteriorated. And Canon is playing so well now as a starter under Scar, it's unlikely Vollemer will get the starting job back from him.

How many years do you think Gug was at the Pats? Gug and Vollmer won a Superbowl together and Vollmer was one of the best players in that bowl. Gugs last season Vollmer had a couple of injuries and moved to left tackle but actually had for the most part a good season until we played the Broncos in the AFC Championship game. SO yeah he really deteriorated under Gug.

Throwing a guy under the bus? I couldn't careless about the guy. He didn't do his job, he was fired, Scar is back and that's Football. The big improvement in the O line since Scar returned is obvious. It's happened right in front of your eyes.

What does it matter whether you care for him or not? You want to blame Gug for our oline being bad and saying there was a dramatic change when Scar came back but realistically you cant prove that and all of the evidence goes against what you say. Superbowl win in season 1 and AFC Championship game in season 2 and injuries and average linemen all over the place. Scar comes back and practically has a whole new Oline or guy with less than 2 seasons experience.

Wow! So that's your response to me pointing out that our 2016 O line..
is running the ball really well this year.
is protecting Brady really well this year.
is able to close out games by running at will when it matters this year.
and personnel who played shít last year are now playing very well.
And you expect me to believe that the coaching change has not played a big role in all that? Nope, can't do it.

Haha this again. Scar is not the main reason for all of the above haha

Why you obsessing over the Denver game? It was only ever given as an example. The O line were shyte for all of last season, not just the Denver game. There has been a big improvement this year and if you think that's just down to Scar giving some confidence and experience, then imo you're wrong. You can clearly see the effect Scar has had on the field, how the players are playing better in their individual assignments and how they are now playing this year as a cohesive unit. Despite the fact that it's an entirely new line, that's great coaching imo. The improvement in our O line is very significant and Scar has played a huge part in that.

You brought the Denver game up not me. You want to bring it up I will use it as an example. In fact you mentioned it in support of your argument more than once. But hey that is me obsessing on that game right? But I love that is all you got out of the last paragraph. Well done.

Anyways this conversation has become a merry go round at this point have a Happy Christmas

eagle eye · 25-12-2016 04:43AM

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

overboard? The significant improvement in the O line play is pretty self evident. The transformation in Canon's play is also remarkable and I don't think a toe injury last year has anything to do with that. Most linemen in the league will play through injury, Christ, didn't Mankins play through the 2011 season with a torn ACL. Scar always played & plays Canon to his positional strength, De Guglielmo did not and the results showed up on the field.

Cannon started a lot of games last year due to injuries. He was injured himself and it hampered him and he didn't play well in a lot of games. That is not down to coaching, it's down to injury. He reported back to OTA's this year about a stone lighter and he has improved immensely. Most of that is down to being over the injury, a little is down to him being in better shape and I'm sure a little is also because of Scar.

Going overboard is saying that somebody who coached an OL to a Superbowl two years ago is terrible because he was missing his starting left tackle for most of last season and nearly every player missed some time due to injury and played with injuries for most of the year.

Do you not remember Stork playing at left and right tackle during games last season? Can you not accept how bad things were when that actually happened?

eagle eye · 25-12-2016 11:59AM

Here is an article from January talking about the OL and all that happened during the regular season last year. It pretty much points out what I've been saying about injuries and all.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/20/nfl-tom-brady-new-england-patriots-offensive-line-blocking

eagle eye · 25-12-2016 12:04PM

Happy Christmas everybody, hope you all have a great New Year too.

BKWDR · 26-12-2016 02:02PM

So will the Fins field a half baked team or push for the 5th seed....

I know the raiders are in a world of Sh!t now but we really need to push for HFA now, really put it away and not take the foot off the gas like last year.

JaMarcusHustle · 26-12-2016 03:40PM

Luckily there's no love lost between Denver and Oakland, so Denver won't just phone it in. McGloin could struggle.

BizzyC · 03-01-2017 02:44PM

Have to say, in spite of the DUI trouble, Flyod could end up being a very valuable asset in the playoff run.

He showed a physical nature on the outside that we've been lacking since Hernandez.

TOss Sweep · 05-01-2017 01:38AM

Matthew Slater got the Bart Starr award today just like his father Jackie back in 1996.

AbusesToilets · 05-01-2017 01:59PM

Bye week is the worst week.

TOss Sweep · 05-01-2017 05:40PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F-GH28dL3g

ftse100 · 05-01-2017 11:24PM

So, who do we want to see next week? Or who do people reckon we'll be facing? Can we say with a strong degree of confidence that it wont be the Dolphins?

j8wk2feszrnpao · 06-01-2017 07:55AM

ftse100 wrote: »

So, who do we want to see next week? Or who do people reckon we'll be facing? Can we say with a strong degree of confidence that it wont be the Dolphins?

Can't see the Dolphins winning in Pittsburg, so probably Texans/Raiders up next.

BizzyC · 09-01-2017 09:28AM

Out of the options, Texans is the best matchup IMO.

Brady's quick release style always slows their D down, and of the other AFC teams in the hunt they probably have the weakest offence.

bruschi · 09-01-2017 09:42AM

BizzyC wrote: »

Out of the options, Texans is the best matchup IMO.

Brady's quick release style always slows their D down, and of the other AFC teams in the hunt they probably have the weakest offence.

The Texans are complete rubbish, thats about all that needs to be analysed!

BizzyC · 09-01-2017 12:34PM

bruschi wrote: »

The Texans are complete rubbish, thats about all that needs to be analysed!

That's a bit harsh I think, they have one of the best defences in football and a very good kicker.
If they can dominate on D, they have a chance in any game.

HigginsJ · 09-01-2017 02:04PM

bruschi wrote: »

The Texans are complete rubbish, thats about all that needs to be analysed!

Yea, if this isn't a blow-out I'd be amazed.

bruschi · 09-01-2017 03:52PM

BizzyC wrote: »

That's a bit harsh I think, they have one of the best defences in football and a very good kicker.
If they can dominate on D, they have a chance in any game.

I know BB will be on about that too and giving them all their plaudits, but we already beat the Texans this year 27 to no score with our third string QB at the helm. The Texans got into the playoffs due to the Titans making a mess of things against the Jags and also after benching their $70m starting QB who is now back running their offence. I fully expect Brady Belichick etc to come out and laud O Brien and Romeo and all the former Pats there, but realistically, the Pats should hammer them.

That may sound cocky or too sure or whatever, but I dont see this game as a challenge at all. Kansas or Pittsburgh is a far different story.

Shedite27 · 09-01-2017 04:19PM

bruschi wrote: »

The Texans are complete rubbish, thats about all that needs to be analysed!

Currently +15.5 is the spread

PIORUN · 09-01-2017 04:27PM

stay up to watch it and tucked up in bed by half time. anything else would be a travesty.

Leslie91 · 09-01-2017 04:45PM

This will be a turkey shoot........... Osweiler jeeeeeeeeez.

ftse100 · 09-01-2017 10:20PM

From here if we don't hammer the texans or win very comfortably there is something wrong. If we want to prove to those that say we only beat sh!t Teams we need to make a meal of KC or Pit also.. In fairness this year we only played against 1/2 decent QBs. Flacco and Wilson. An lost one of those. The Steelers didn't even have Big Ben playing us.. I'd just like to see us go out and prove we are a very solid team..

JaMarcusHustle · 09-01-2017 10:50PM

ftse100 wrote:

From here if we don't hammer the texans or win very comfortably there is something wrong. If we want to prove to those that say we only beat sh!t Teams we need to make a meal of KC or Pit also.. In fairness this year we only played against 1/2 decent QBs. Flacco and Wilson. An lost one of those. The Steelers didn't even have Big Ben playing us.. I'd just like to see us go out and prove we are a very solid team..

Ridiculous.

We don't need to prove anything to anyone.

All we have to do is win. Whether it's by 1 point or 21 points, wins are all that matter in the playoffs.

If you want style points, go play Madden.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 09-01-2017 11:10PM

I don't think the Pats have to really prove much. We prob had one of the easier schedules; but we did go 14:2, No1 seed, without Brady for 4 games, lost one game with our 3rd choice QB, lost Gronk but still put up pts winning last 7 games in a row, No1 scoring defense (doesn't make them the best, but still credit where it's due), and beat the reigning champs in their backyard with relative ease.

It's been a very good season to date, and are expected to win against the Texans to make it to the AFC game (which would be Brady's 11th, which would be ridiculous!). Either the Chiefs or Steelers would be a tough challenge if we pick up the win at the weekend (I say 'if' cause of that Jets game) but I like our chances or making it to another SB.

ftse100 · 09-01-2017 11:12PM

Randall Victorious Pentagon wrote: »

I don't think the Pats have to really prove much. We prob had one of the easier schedules; but we did go 14:2, No1 seed, without Brady for 4 games, lost one game with our 3rd choice QB, lost Gronk but still put up pts winning last 7 games in a row, No1 scoring defense (doesn't make them the best, but still credit where it's due), and beat the reigning champs in their backyard with relative ease.

It's been a very good season to date, and are expected to win against the Texans to make it to the AFC game (which would be Brady's 11th, which would be ridiculous!). Either the Chiefs or Steelers would be a tough challenge if we pick up the win at the weekend (I say 'if' cause of that Jets game) but I like our chances or making it to another SB.

My above comments may have been a little harsh, fair enough. I just get so frustrated when we underperform against poor teams. I'd love nothing more than to see us make it to another SB.

TOss Sweep · 09-01-2017 11:16PM

ftse100 wrote: »

From here if we don't hammer the texans or win very comfortably there is something wrong. If we want to prove to those that say we only beat sh!t Teams we need to make a meal of KC or Pit also.. In fairness this year we only played against 1/2 decent QBs. Flacco and Wilson. An lost one of those. The Steelers didn't even have Big Ben playing us.. I'd just like to see us go out and prove we are a very solid team..

I don't care what score we win these games by once we win. Most if not all of the AFC teams played "half decent QBs" this year though.

And the NFC teams hardly played killer QBs all year either. Probably 10 solid QBs in the league if even and most of them are in the playoffs.

Besides who cares what QB we play its a team sport and the QBs are only as good as their coaches and team around them in the playoffs. I wouldn't care if any of them put up 40 pts on us once we put 41 or more on them and win that is all that matters.

As for proving ourselves? We stopped trying to prove ourselves after the first Superbowl win.

eagle eye · 09-01-2017 11:55PM

Thing is if we get a two score lead Bill and Josh will attempt to run clock. Predicting a big win is just crazy imo. As said by others the only thing anybody wants right now is ring no. 5. It doesn't matter if we win every game in overtime as long as the GOAT head coach and quarterback get their fifth.

TOss Sweep · 10-01-2017 01:55AM

This is fantastic guy basically telling ESPN to fook off:

http://dailysnark.com/guy-takes-photo-belichick-sleeping-tells-espn-fk-ask-use/

https://twitter.com/AdamMarko/status/818288023590891522

https://twitter.com/ESPNAssignDesk/status/818330578260987904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/AdamMarko/status/818457337144999937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

TOss Sweep · 10-01-2017 11:58PM

Got my tickets for the game Saturday cant wait. Might have them for my first AFC Championship also (if we make it that is)

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