Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

MayoAreMagic · 19-12-2016 01:47PM

Robeman wrote: »

The lettter to the county board at the bottom wqas signed "Mayo senior panel" This was typed not hand written. Nobody put their name on the letter. FACT

Once SR declared an interest yes he was nailed on for the job as the county board were fully aware of who "egos" wanted and there was no way they were having her as they knew she was was behind the coup. FACT

Writing FACT after things doesn't prove them. You never seen the letter, so the facetious 'how do we know for sure' applies to your posts just as much as it does to the ones you were using it against.

You clearly have some agenda here and you wont listen to any possibility where the players weren't trying to dictate everything, despite it being quite reasonable. No point continuing with you.

I see the article was panned by both Eamon McGee and the guys on off the ball also. Obviously they didn't get your FACT memo...

MayoAreMagic · 19-12-2016 01:53PM

Robeman wrote: »

If mayo had as many all irelands as Kilkenny and Tipp (they even have more Football all ireland s than Mayo I think never mind the hurling) then it would be ok.

So by that logic, if Denis Bastick had rightly been penalised for picking the ball off the ground in the dying seconds of the drawn game last year and O'Connor pops over the gimmie free, it is all justified?

What a load of nonsense.

Eoin Larkin can go to Syria, AOS cant go to Sunderland... Some people would really want to get real.

Robeman · 19-12-2016 01:54PM

km79 wrote: »

All the hostility this has stirred up and increased focus it will bring on Rochford next year I hope H and C got well paid for the interview ...........one things for sure they won't be acknowledged in any possible AI winning speech !

H & C will not be paid for interview as newspapers to not pay sportspeople for interviews. I heard today that Western People in Mayo could have had exclusive with H & C a few weeks ago but did not happen for whatever reason.

Maybe they were afraid "egos" would boycott them next season. From articles written by ????(forget first name) Hennigan Sports editor a couple of months ago obvious he knows what happened.

Only hinted at what happened in article and did not name names. Probably the lawyers would not let him.

It is a pity that we cannot call on CIA in US as they probabaly have tapes of all the mobile conversations between plotters in their files. As they say in US it would blow this case wide open if we had the transcripts.

Maybe " The Donald" would release them if we asked politely

Robeman · 19-12-2016 01:57PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Writing FACT after things doesn't prove them. You never seen the letter, so the facetious 'how do we know for sure' applies to your posts just as much as it does to the ones you were using it against.

You clearly have some agenda here and you wont listen to any possibility where the players weren't trying to dictate everything, despite it being quite reasonable. No point continuing with you.

I see the article was panned by both Eamon McGee and the guys on off the ball also. Obviously they didn't get your FACT memo...

Ah but I have seen the letter. No signatures of any players.

MayoAreMagic · 19-12-2016 01:59PM

Robeman wrote: »

H & C will not be paid for interview as newspapers to not pay sportspeople for interviews. I heard today that Western People in Mayo could have had exclusive with H & C a few weeks ago but did not happen for whatever reason.

Maybe they were afraid "egos" would boycott them next season. From articles written by ????(forget first name) Hennigan Sports editor a couple of months ago obvious he knows what happened.

Are you for real?

Robeman · 19-12-2016 02:00PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Hmm I've been hearing about these 'egos' a long time before 2 months ago!

So have I but I only mentioned it on this board two months ago.

MayoAreMagic · 19-12-2016 02:00PM

Robeman wrote: »

Ah but I have seen the letter. No signatures of any players.

Any proof of that?

'We don't know for sure', do we? On and on that goes my friend. You brought that facetious nonsense to the table, so you can have it back all day long.

Robeman · 19-12-2016 02:07PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Are you for real?

The fact bit is that the Western could have had the exclusive with H & C a few weeks ago also that Henningan wrote about situation over a few weeks back around october.

Obviously I have good sources.

The boycott bit is not a fact as most readers will understand.

Robeman · 19-12-2016 02:21PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Any proof of that?

'We don't know for sure', do we? On and on that goes my friend. You brought that facetious nonsense to the table, so you can have it back all day long.

If I posted a copy of letter on this board would you believe it or would you claim it was a forgery.

It is 100% typing so it would be very easy to forge if one wanted to retype.

If what I am saying is facetious nonsense then so is what the Indo is printing, what the Western was hinting at what H & C are saying.

It seems the "egos" are above reproach in your eye.

It is totally your perogative to not believe my posts. Nevertheless Mayo have lost 10 all ireland finals and there must be reasons greater than a missing forward or two.

kilns · 19-12-2016 02:21PM

Some Mayo supporters are like a person with an obesity problem, until they admit they have a problem they will never fully cure themselves.
It is obvious to even those on the outside of the county that there are small group who control what goes on in that camp. You will never win anything as long as that is the case. I wonder how much of the money AOS gets from all his media gets distributed back amongst the squad, seeing that they are the ones who carry him when the going gets tough

Poor_old_gill · 19-12-2016 02:26PM

On this whole Aidan O Shea back and forth- both parties behaved stupidly.

The coaches should have chatted to him about it before getting him pulled from the show and he should then have respected their opinion.
O Shea always strikes me as someone who is bit too distracted and self absorbed by how he can win the game and raise his profile and not how Mayo can do it so I'd say they were probably right to want to keep him away from the spotlight.

The comparison with Tyrell doesnt really add anything to the debate- fame and attention sit differently on different peoples shoulders

Robeman · 19-12-2016 02:30PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

On this whole Aidan O Shea back and forth- both parties behaved stupidly.

The coaches should have chatted to him about it before getting him pulled from the show and he should then have respected their opinion.
O Shea always strikes me as someone who is bit too distracted and self absorbed by how he can win the game and raise his profile and not how Mayo can do it so I'd say they were probably right to want to keep him away from the spotlight.

The comparison with Tyrell doesnt really add anything to the debate- fame and attention sit differently on different peoples shoulders

What I heard is that coaches did discuss it with him and made their thinking very clear to him. They also contacted program producers (one of whom is either from Mayo or has close mayo connections) to ask them to stay away from him which I think was also mentioned in Indo.

In 2016 either AOS did not ask or else he did and SR said it was OK. Interesting that COC was in an ad in 2016 but was not in one that I saw in 2015.

Poor_old_gill · 19-12-2016 02:40PM

Robeman wrote: »

What I heard is that coaches did discuss it with him and made their thinking very clear to him. They also contacted program producers (one of whom is either from Mayo or has close mayo connections) to ask them to stay away from him which I think was also mentioned in Indo.

In 2016 either AOS did not ask or else he did and SR said it was OK. Interesting that COC was in an ad in 2016 but was not in one that I saw in 2015.

My understanding is the sequence was- they told the show boys to stay away, Aidan got onto them and then they discussed it.

Open to correction though

Robeman · 19-12-2016 02:45PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

My understanding is the sequence was- they told the show boys to stay away, Aidan got onto them and then they discussed it.

Open to correction though

You could be right on the sequence. We seem to agree on key fact that it was discussed.

Poor_old_gill · 19-12-2016 02:46PM

Robeman wrote: »

You could be right on the sequence. We seem to agree on key fact that it was discussed.

The timing is important here, which I think is fairly obvious

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-12-2016 03:57PM

kilns wrote: »

Some Mayo supporters are like a person with an obesity problem, until they admit they have a problem they will never fully cure themselves.
It is obvious to even those on the outside of the county that there are small group who control what goes on in that camp. You will never win anything as long as that is the case. I wonder how much of the money AOS gets from all his media gets distributed back amongst the squad, seeing that they are the ones who carry him when the going gets tough

You see the thing about all of this is it would be far more relevant if it were 19/12/2015 and not 19/12/2016.

IMO the Mayo players performances in 2016 showed us that egos in the camp are far less of a problem than people make them out to be.

If egos were a problem this team would have not got past Fermanagh, and there is no way they would have beaten the footballing powerhouse and managerial genius that is Tyrone and Mickie Hearte.

As another poster said all this will just make them more determined next year.

I see the Indo had a few lines saying that the Mayo camp were not commenting on all of this, no s**t Sherlock.

MayoAreMagic · 19-12-2016 03:59PM

Robeman wrote: »

If I posted a copy of letter on this board would you believe it or would you claim it was a forgery.

It is 100% typing so it would be very easy to forge if one wanted to retype.

If what I am saying is facetious nonsense then so is what the Indo is printing, what the Western was hinting at what H & C are saying.

It seems the "egos" are above reproach in your eye.

It is totally your perogative to not believe my posts. Nevertheless Mayo have lost 10 all ireland finals and there must be reasons greater than a missing forward or two.

I would 100% claim that 'we couldn't know for sure' - simply because that is the nonsense logic you use to dismiss perfectly reasonable points. Im just giving you your own back. If you don't like it then maybe you should consider your own posting style?

As for the reason we haven't won an all Ireland - we have yet to be seen as the favourite for a final, so straight away we are fighting uphill. We have yet to get a single break from a ref in a final (something I accredit to refs being very clearly swayed by public perception and media in the gaa, but that is for another day). We got tactics wrong too on occasion (which players were lambasted for acknowledging, even though the likes of breheny stated the very same in the past), but more often than not, we were just not as good as the other team, which will generally happen when you aren't the best team in the country at that time...

And yet, we are getting closer and closer to overthrowing these teams. I think we could do it this year coming to be honest. Sometimes it seems we the mayo fans need to be dragged kicking and screaming into reality.

Truth be told, in this article, all the two lads have done is show how out of touch they were with managing teams of that nature. They come across quite 'stoneage' and headmaster-ish in their approach, and it is clear to me that they were not the right men for this role.

kilns · 19-12-2016 04:19PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Some Mayo supporters are like a person with an obesity problem, until they admit they have a problem they will never fully cure themselves.
It is obvious to even those on the outside of the county that there are small group who control what goes on in that camp. You will never win anything as long as that is the case. I wonder how much of the money AOS gets from all his media gets distributed back amongst the squad, seeing that they are the ones who carry him when the going gets tough

You see the thing about all of this is it would be far more relevant if it were 19/12/2015 and not 19/12/2016.

IMO the Mayo players performances in 2016 showed us that egos in the camp are far less of a problem than people make them out to be.

If egos were a problem this team would have not got past Fermanagh, and there is no way they would have beaten the footballing powerhouse and managerial genius that is Tyrone and Mickie Hearte.

As another poster said all this will just make them more determined next year.

I see the Indo had a few lines saying that the Mayo camp were not commenting on all of this, no s**t Sherlock.

But isnt there a strong indication that the "Egos" demanded a change of goalkeeper for the replay which may have cost them the match?

km79 · 19-12-2016 04:22PM

There are more "egos " on this thread than in the mayo dressing room
Mother of jaysus

Happy Xmas everyone

Up mayo

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-12-2016 04:28PM

kilns wrote: »

But isnt there a strong indication that the "Egos" demanded a change of goalkeeper for the replay which may have cost them the match?

That's a stretch in my opinion.

If the "egos" were that powerful why did Clarke start the 6 games between Galway and the replay ?

Clarke's kickouts had me in bits for a lot of the summer.

I think management had the most influence in that decision rather than the players.

Edit: Just another point on this.
Why does everyone assume just because it was said in this interview that players lobbied for Hennelly back in spring 2015 that its true.

The goalkeeper selection and events that followed were huge talking points in the replay.
It would do H&C no harm to claim now that there was a precedent there knowing full well that none of the players would retort.

They could be pretty pissed off that the 2016 team fared better than the 2015 version (and they did in my opinion anyway) and throwing the Hennelly thing out there was a way to get back at some players.

Just a thought.

Cartman78 · 19-12-2016 04:28PM

I think it's time to name the "egos".
And also time to stop putting the word ego inside quotation marks.
Bizarre timing from H&C to release this to the press.....they had some sort or moral high-ground by not publicising whatever happened.
Not sure what they hoped to achieve by doing it (?)....the best thing that could come out of it would be if it helps develop some sort of siege mentality that drives the team on.The squad deserves to win an All-Ireland, regardless of who's managing them or how many egos are in the dressing room

Shurimgreat · 19-12-2016 04:52PM

Looks like the players are calling the shots. I wouldn't mind if they had a fistful of All-Irelands. The fact they have none makes it all the more bizarre.

Sad to say but Mayo football will remain a laughing stock if some people think they are bigger than the team. And in this Mayo squad, several players seem to think this way.

They should feel lucky to play for Mayo and not entitled. And self entitlement seems to feature a lot in this story.

No Sam for Mayo for the foreseeable future or until the big egos depart the scene.

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-12-2016 05:08PM

km79 wrote: »

There are more "egos " on this thread than in the mayo dressing room
Mother of jaysus

Happy Xmas everyone
Up mayo

FBD starts on Jan 8th, less than three weeks away

Dyr · 19-12-2016 06:23PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

The squad deserves to win an All-Ireland, regardless of who's managing them or how many egos are in the dressing room

The last Mayo team that deserved an all Ireland is the last mayo team that won an all Ireland.

Oldtree · 19-12-2016 06:27PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

FBD starts on Jan 8th, less than three weeks away

Just 20 sleeps to go

km79 · 19-12-2016 06:30PM

Oldtree wrote: »

Just 20 sleeps to go

Keep calm
Mayo for Sam

Oldtree · 19-12-2016 07:23PM

km79 wrote: »

Keep calm
Mayo for Sam

gonna get that put on a t-shirt

PressRun · 19-12-2016 07:46PM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Do people honestly believe that the O'Shea's forced Rochford to put Henley in goals for the replay?!? Bonkers

One of the major issues with the article is the way in which Holmes and Connelly make thinly veiled suggestions and insinuations to cast aspersions on Rochford's ability to manage. The Hennelly stuff is a prime example. This along with the comments about Horan are well below the belt. It's not for them to reveal how players felt about Horan (information which was presumably told to them in confidence) or to make suggestions about what's going on in Stephen Rochford's dressing room. Suggestions of this kind undermines the management. Just because they were incapable of managing doesn't mean everyone is. As I said before, things were under control under Horan. It's not a coincidence that the players suddenly became "unmanagable" under Holmes and Connelly.

Always_Running · 19-12-2016 09:15PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

IMO the Mayo players performances in 2016 showed us that egos in the camp are far less of a problem than people make them out to be.

If egos were a problem this team would have not got past Fermanagh, and there is no way they would have beaten the footballing powerhouse and managerial genius that is Tyrone and Mickie Hearte.

.

Egos or not the majority of the Mayo performances in the league and championship in 2016 was average as best this year.

Lets be honest 9 times out of 10 Mayo would beat Fermanagh comfortably in MacHale park. Mayo won but needed a very dodgy penalty to help them on their way and the first half performance showed why Mayo lost to Galway at home.

As for Tyrone they won their first provincial title this summer for 6 years and they played their league football in div 2, nobody would have tipped Tyrone to beat a top three team like Mayo were rated at the start of the year but some had their doubts with the less impressive way Mayo were performing on route to that quarter final. Mayo however did win but who knows what would have happened if Tyrone kept 15 men on field.

Mickey Harte (open to correction) has beaten Mayo once in the championship.

ammc · 19-12-2016 10:05PM

PressRun wrote: »

It's not for them to reveal how players felt about Horan (information which was presumably told to them in confidence)..... As I said before, things were under control under Horan. It's not a coincidence that the players suddenly became "unmanagable" under Holmes and Connelly.

It makes you wonder though if Horan seen the storm coming down the road and decided the time was right to step aside. And for the players(or a cohort) to blame Horan for their failings definitely says alot about the players that Horan put his trust in

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