New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

TOss Sweep · 16-12-2016 06:32PM

Shedite27 wrote: »

How much is Floyd costing?

Last year of his rookie contract so very little

j8wk2feszrnpao · 16-12-2016 11:00PM

Shedite27 wrote: »

Took a while to see it myself, you see it better in the second clip. See number 89 Baltimore, getting manhandled right of picture.

I see it now

Butler is, for me, our no1 priority to lock up. I know he has given up plays, and maybe hadn't been as good as last year; but he takes the oppositions no1, and does as good a job as you'll see.

Son Of A Vidic · 17-12-2016 08:03PM

The Floyd move was really needed because our WR corp is rapidly diminishing. It won't be easy for him to learn the Brady offense and build chemistry so late in the season. But it's a low cost potential high reward move and so well worth it. Floyd is a talented WR but lacks consistency and direction, so Brady and Belichick could be the two best guys right now to help him deliver on his promise.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 18-12-2016 09:44PM

Pats with 3 possessions, and offense does nothing. Will lean heavily on the defense if this continues. Need to get ahead of the Broncos when given opportunities, their D is too good in a tight game.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 18-12-2016 09:58PM

Make that 4 possessions. Got the run going a bit, but Brady 0/6. At least two drops, but otherwise nothing happening.

Hazys · 18-12-2016 10:40PM

Shea McClellin took a snap at WR?!??

https://twitter.com/TomLeyden/status/810605771843137536

JaMarcusHustle · 18-12-2016 11:35PM

Some shameful drops today. So infuriating.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 18-12-2016 11:39PM

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Some shameful drops today. So infuriating.

OL has done a great job after 3 quarters.
Brady has been a bit off, but there's been 4 bad drops that I've counted. That one from Hogan was really bad.

Son Of A Vidic · 19-12-2016 12:09AM

Some terrible drops alright and it's not the time of the season we want to be seeing this. No matter who plays on offensive or defense for the Broncos, we don't usually play good there. So I'll take an ugly, grinding win anytime.

Hazys · 19-12-2016 12:19AM

@MarkDanielsPJ

Trey Flowers has all of his seven sacks since Week 8

j8wk2feszrnpao · 19-12-2016 12:19AM

Good win.
Defense did very well, albeit against an offense that couldn't do much.
Delighted with the OL performance. Good protection and were a big part of the run game.
Offense was not very good, but did enough against a quality pass D.

Raiders game will be an interesting finish in home field race.

JaMarcusHustle · 19-12-2016 12:22AM

We just straight up bullied Denver on their own turf. Ran all over them and dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides. That was an impressive win.

Hazys · 19-12-2016 12:24AM

Clinched a first round bye with 2 weeks to go in the season all while missing Brady for the first 4 games...amazing season so far

Son Of A Vidic · 19-12-2016 12:29AM

Great to have Scar back and he's totally transformed the O line play. There's nothing like some good old smash mouth football to lift the spirits.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 19-12-2016 12:42AM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Good win.
Defense did very well, albeit against an offense that couldn't do much.
Delighted with the OL performance. Good protection and were a big part of the run game.
Offense was not very good, but did enough against a quality pass D.

Raiders game will be an interesting finish in home field race.

I'll admit I'll be a bit conflicted if the Pats-Raiders game happens in the post season.

Hazys · 19-12-2016 12:54AM

@RyanHannable

Underrated MVP vs. Broncos? Marcus Cannon. Von Miller finished with 5 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 QB hits.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 19-12-2016 09:25AM

Hazys wrote: »

@RyanHannable

Underrated MVP vs. Broncos? Marcus Cannon. Von Miller finished with 5 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 QB hits.

Pity that OL performance (or even half as good) didn't appear in the AFC game; it would have meant a SB trip.
But credit to them, cause Canon was cut material. Scar def having an big influence.

Son Of A Vidic · 19-12-2016 10:56AM

Sacking DeGuglielmo after last years AFC title game disaster and bringing back Scar was probably our best coaching move of the Belichick era.

eagle eye · 19-12-2016 01:47PM

I'm a big fan of Scar and believe he is the best OL coach in NFL but people are going a bit overboards.

De Guglielmo coached our OL to a Superbowl win in 2014 and the OL played well that year after a poor first couple of weeks.

Last year Solder was on IR after week 5, Wendell went out early too and Cannon was suffering with a toe injury pretty much the whole season. They were awful in that AFC championship game, that Broncos team made almost every OL they played look terrible, but I'd guess that the reason for his sacking had a lot more to do with Scar wanting to come back than anything else.

I'd have Scar all day every day ahead of De Guglielmo but he isn't a bad OL coach by any stretch.

bruschi · 19-12-2016 02:48PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm a big fan of Scar and believe he is the best OL coach in NFL but people are going a bit overboards.

De Guglielmo coached our OL to a Superbowl win in 2014 and the OL played well that year after a poor first couple of weeks.

Last year Solder was on IR after week 5, Wendell went out early too and Cannon was suffering with a toe injury pretty much the whole season. They were awful in that AFC championship game, that Broncos team made almost every OL they played look terrible, but I'd guess that the reason for his sacking had a lot more to do with Scar wanting to come back than anything else.

I'd have Scar all day every day ahead of De Guglielmo but he isn't a bad OL coach by any stretch.

the other thing I would add to that was the play of Bryan Stork in that game pretty much handing the ball on a plate to the rushing Denver D with every head bob he did. He has since been cut and is at nothing now which says a lot about him and also that game.

DCD162 · 19-12-2016 02:53PM

I was reading a very interesting article last week about Matt Patricia and how he gave up a job as an aeronautical engineer to join the Pats. Seems like a very appropriate time to share that article considering the performance last night.......

Matt Patricia, Belichick’s Rocket Scientist
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/11/28/nfl-matt-patricia-bill-belichick-patriots-defense

TOss Sweep · 19-12-2016 03:56PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm a big fan of Scar and believe he is the best OL coach in NFL but people are going a bit overboards.

De Guglielmo coached our OL to a Superbowl win in 2014 and the OL played well that year after a poor first couple of weeks.

Last year Solder was on IR after week 5, Wendell went out early too and Cannon was suffering with a toe injury pretty much the whole season. They were awful in that AFC championship game, that Broncos team made almost every OL they played look terrible, but I'd guess that the reason for his sacking had a lot more to do with Scar wanting to come back than anything else.

I'd have Scar all day every day ahead of De Guglielmo but he isn't a bad OL coach by any stretch.

I said the same about De Guiglielmo last year and was told that nope Scar was the difference. Scar is fantastic but I would agree De Guiglielmo was a god coach. We were unlucky with injuries for the most part.

Son Of A Vidic · 19-12-2016 11:48PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm a big fan of Scar and believe he is the best OL coach in NFL but people are going a bit overboards.

overboard? The significant improvement in the O line play is pretty self evident. The transformation in Canon's play is also remarkable and I don't think a toe injury last year has anything to do with that. Most linemen in the league will play through injury, Christ, didn't Mankins play through the 2011 season with a torn ACL. Scar always played & plays Canon to his positional strength, De Guglielmo did not and the results showed up on the field.

Son Of A Vidic · 19-12-2016 11:50PM

bruschi wrote: »

the other thing I would add to that was the play of Bryan Stork in that game pretty much handing the ball on a plate to the rushing Denver D with every head bob he did. He has since been cut and is at nothing now which says a lot about him and also that game.

I'd say Stork's lack of employment, is probably down to the shocking & red flag raising number of concussions he suffered while a Patriot.

TOss Sweep · 20-12-2016 03:59PM

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

overboard? The significant improvement in the O line play is pretty self evident. The transformation in Canon's play is also remarkable and I don't think a toe injury last year has anything to do with that.

Self evident I wouldn't say that. Yes Scar's experience and knowledge is going to breed new life back into that Oline but remember Canon was around when Scar was with us previously. Canon was with Scar for two seasons as was Solder before he retired. Have you thought that maybe experience has finally help a guy like Canon?

Andrews
Fleming
mason
Thuney
Waddle

Are in either in their 3rd season now or 1st or 2nd so You have a whole new Oline practically that De Gug dealt with. Unfair to throw him under the bus.

He did his best with what he had. I don't completely buy that Scar's return his the sole difference for how well these guys are playing

Son Of A Vidic · 22-12-2016 11:27PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Self evident I wouldn't say that.

For me, there has been a very obvious improvement in the O line play since Scar returned, therefore the improvement is self-evident.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Canon was with Scar for two seasons as was Solder before he retired. Have you thought that maybe experience has finally help a guy like Canon?

Experience? We're talking about a guy we drafted in 2011 and he was a 4 year veteran when Von Miller destroyed and embarrassed him in the last AFC title game. This season Canon played so well, Von Miller was pretty much invisible in our last game. And that's because Scar has done a brilliant job in rebuilding a player who a walking disaster last year and a lot of Pats fans wanted gone. No offense to DeGuglielmo, but we needed him gone and Scar coming back was just what the O line needed.

TOss Sweep · 23-12-2016 01:33AM

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

Experience? We're talking about a guy we drafted in 2011 and he was a 4 year veteran when Von Miller destroyed and embarrassed him in the last AFC title game. This season Canon played so well, Von Miller was pretty much invisible in our last game. And that's because Scar has done a brilliant job in rebuilding a player who a walking disaster last year and a lot of Pats fans wanted gone. No offense to DeGuglielmo, but we needed him gone and Scar coming back was just what the O line needed.

A veteran who under Scar did nothing for 3 season and did nothing for Gug for 2 seasons. By your logic Canon should be amazing now seen has he had Scar coaching him for 3 seasons and Gug only for 2.

But having said that Canon has never started a full season until this season he has played only 64 games and started only 19 games in which under Scar originally he only started 7. Some due to injury others due to inexperience and not really getting it.

But hey you chose to focus on Canon to try make it look like he after his first 5 seasons he should be a fully fledged starter but he just wasn't and it can be lumped into lack of experience due to injury poor performance. You can't say Scar is the difference with Canon when Scar has coached him 4 of the last 6 seasons.

But as I said Scar basically has a whole new online these days and his influence is definitely one that breeds confidence but there is definitely not the huge gap between how well they played with Gug and Scar as people are making out.

This year is probably the first season we have had the same 5 Offensive linemen on the field for the most part which is a first in the last 5-6 seasons.

eagle eye · 24-12-2016 07:13PM

Matt Lengel td, I've mentioned him a few times, here's hoping that one is the first of many. I just have this feeling we have a secret weapon heading into the playoffs with us this guy.

Son Of A Vidic · 24-12-2016 11:32PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

A veteran who under Scar did nothing for 3 season and did nothing for Gug for 2 seasons.

That's not quite right, Canon was a solid player before Scar retired and there were no issues. He did well when called in to cover for the likes of Vollemer. With DeGuglielmo, he didn't contribute anything.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Canon has never started a full season until this season

And it just shows the faith Scar had in his ability to bring out the best in Canon for 2016, by making him a starter for the season so far. Last year, I didn't know any Pats fan that wanted Canon staying on the roster for this year.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

You can't say Scar is the difference with Canon when Scar has coached him 4 of the last 6 seasons.

When Scar retired Canon got worse with DeGuglielmo as coach. His poor play culminated in the 2015 AFC title game, where Von Miller humiliates him.

This year Canon is made a starter, I'm like WTF!? But then Canon goes and plays very well all season and highlights his improvement by embarrassing Von Miller in our last game. And this all happens after Scar returns, makes him a starter and you think the big improvement has nothing to do with Scar returning? Seriously?

And Scar has worked wonders with guys he hasn't worked with before, guys like Mason are another example of players who have thrived since Scar returned. Mason didn't do much last year with DeGuglielmo, because we couldn't run the ball. This year he has been an absolutely brute in run blocking and it's the first year he's worked with Scar.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

his influence is definitely one that breeds confidence but there is definitely not the huge gap between how well they played with Gug and Scar as people are making out.

Our run game has really returned this year.
Blount breaks our rushing TD record.
Brady's protection is better than it ever has been.
Brady's even getting time for the deep ball option.
Sacks are way down and most of those sacks can be put down to the inexperienced QB's hanging onto the ball and running around with it for too long.
Now I'd say that's a pretty huge gap and an improvement on O line play since Scar returned.

TOss Sweep · 24-12-2016 11:46PM

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

That's not quite right, Canon was a solid player before Scar retired and there were no issues. He did well when called in to cover for the likes of Vollemer. With DeGuglielmo, he didn't contribute anything.

No he was not. He barely got on the field for fook sake. Even for you this is one of the stupidist things to say. He was injured and then played rarely. If he was solid he would have played a lot more.

And it just shows the faith Scar had in his ability to bring out the best in Canon for 2016, by making him a starter for the season so far. Last year, I didn't know any Pats fan that wanted Canon staying on the roster for this year.

I couldn't count on one hand many Pats wanted him gone. No idea where you are getting this from.

When Scar retired Canon got worse with DeGuglielmo as coach. His poor play culminated in the 2015 AFC title game, where Von Miller humiliates him.

Just ignoring the injuries and the sub par linemen starting that game of course i.e Kline and Stork and others rotating in. That Broncos Defense and front 7 were on a season high and mauled every team on their path to be fair. Vollmer was as bad as Canon that day but I wouldn't put it down to bad coaching that is just nonsense.

This year Canon is made a starter, I'm like WTF!? But then Canon goes and plays very well all season and highlights his improvement by embarrassing Von Miller in our last game. And this all happens after Scar returns, makes him a starter and you think the big improvement has nothing to do with Scar returning? Seriously?

I never said it had nothing to do with him you clearly can't read but we have practically a whole new oline and of course a guy like Scar like I said will breed whole new confidence. But my point was you throwing Gug under the bus basically saying he was the fault of our oline being bad and you saying their is a dramatic difference which is simply not true and for the most part not comparable due to the personnel changes.

And Scar has worked wonders with guys he hasn't worked with before, guys like Mason are another example of players who have thrived since Scar returned. Mason didn't do much last year with DeGuglielmo, because we couldn't run the ball. This year he has been an absolutely brute in run blocking and it's the first year he's worked with Scar.

You would swear Gug was on the field the way you are talking about him.

Our run game has really returned this year.
Blount breaks our rushing TD record.
Brady's protection is better than it ever has been.
Brady's even getting time for the deep ball option.
Sacks are way down and most of those sacks can be put down to the inexperienced QB's hanging onto the ball and running around with it for too long.
Now I'd say all that sums up and very big improvement on O line play since Scar returned.

Oh yeah all of this is down to Offensive linemen coaching change. Get a grip.

Oh and before you misquote me again. I love Scar and yes he is a better Offensive Line Coach than Gug his experience alone if one of the best in the league. But it is nothing more than nonsense to say he is the big difference in all of the above. Yes he is going to breed confidence and use his experience to get the best out of any lineman but lets not get silly and blame Gug for our failing against Denver. Scapegoating is nothing more than pathetic.

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