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punisher5112 · 14-12-2016 01:39AM

pablo128 wrote: »

The driver was an unaccompanied learner too. Should they be let drive on?

Unaccompanied would be not allowed carry on as its against the law as they don't actually have a licence.

Its mad what's going on.

You would like to think at the very least they could make car driver change tyre to spare if suitable and if not get new tyre fitted at the roadside.

If above isn't going to happen car definitely should be lifted as if you were to bring that car for nct it wouldn't be allowed to be driven as it would be dangerous defective.

pa990 · 14-12-2016 02:14AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Unaccompanied would be not allowed carry on as its against the law as they don't actually have a licence.

Its mad what's going on.

You would like to think at the very least they could make car driver change tyre to spare if suitable and if not get new tyre fitted at the roadside.

If above isn't going to happen car definitely should be lifted as if you were to bring that car for nct it wouldn't be allowed to be driven as it would be dangerous defective.

The loophole is that they have 10 days to produce a driving licence to a garda station of their choice.

Nothing can be done at the roadside...

Drive on

tossy · 14-12-2016 09:09AM

Is every tweet going to be followed by this round and round in circles debating now ?

GM228 · 14-12-2016 09:13AM

pablo128 wrote: »

The driver was an unaccompanied learner too. Should they be let drive on?

It's not a legal ground for them to seize the vehicle unless they form a reasonable opinion the person is too young to hold a licence.

Cheensbo · 14-12-2016 09:14AM

tossy wrote: »

Is every tweet going to be followed by this round and round in circles debating now ?

A debate on roundabouts? Not sure if it's been done before....

tossy · 14-12-2016 09:57AM

Cheensbo wrote: »

A debate on roundabouts? Not sure if it's been done before....

You better indicate before entering that debate

Dravokivich · 14-12-2016 11:07AM

Blatter wrote: »

I think it's ridiculous that there are so many cars going around with L AND N plates.

In situations where a learner and a novice are sharing the same car, the L plate should be sufficient for both drivers.

There's zero benefit to having both up. In fact, there are only drawbacks. The front and back windscreens are clogged up more than they need to be and other drivers don't know whether they're sharing the road with a novice or a learner. A learner driving in a car with both N and L plates muddys the waters from the perspective of other road users. And the whole point of these plates in the first place is to equip other road users with useful information in so that they can react and treat the learner or novice driver appropriately.

Ideally, drivers would drive only with the appropriate plates displayed. Failing that, use just L plates and everybody assumes the driver of that car is a learner.

But they'd be wrong and the Novice could have a bit of explaining to do...

I genuinely don't see the problem with issue you are going on about. Just a whole lot of noise about something of very little significance on any thread I've read about it too.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 14-12-2016 11:11AM

I don't treat learner's or novices any differently to one another. Give them extra room, anticipate that they may be unfamiliar with certain rules of the road, not great at hillstarts, parallel parking etc. and have a bit of patience. If you see plates up, just take it a bit handier?

BaronVon · 14-12-2016 11:18AM

ongarite wrote: »

Most cars will have an ANPR system in place that reads the car registration plate & lets them know if tax/insurance is out.
http://garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=106&Lang=1

They have phased out discs completely in the UK, relying solely on ANPR.
It works very well in the UK, you wouldn't get a mile down a busy road without being pulled over.

Fred Swanson wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Irish ANPR doesn't carry insurance details, the insurance industry weren't able to provide reliable, up to date information. Plus, in Ireland, it's the driver that's insured, not the vehicle. AFAIK, in the UK, it's the vehicle that has insurance.

Irish ANPR is all 3G now, so the info is very up to date.

RayCun · 14-12-2016 11:21AM

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

I don't treat learner's or novices any differently to one another. Give them extra room, anticipate that they may be unfamiliar with certain rules of the road, not great at hillstarts, parallel parking etc. and have a bit of patience. If you see plates up, just take it a bit handier?

and really, why not apply those rules to all cars on the road? Driver could be an idiot, could be distracted, could be an OAP, could be over the limit...
... better to assume that everyone is going to make mistakes sometimes, and give them the space to do so, than to rely on other drivers being perfect.
And have a bit of patience with everybody.

BaronVon · 14-12-2016 11:25AM

GM228 wrote: »

Seized for no NCT, Gardaí have no legal power to seize a vehicle with bald tyres or which is unsafe, which IMO is stupid, they should most definately have that power.

Section 20 of the Road Traffic Act 1968 gives them the power to

(3) Where a member of the Garda Síochána has, consequent upon having inspected and examined under this section a mechanically propelled vehicle, reasonable grounds for believing that there is a defect affecting it which is such that it is, when in use, a danger to the public, he may—
(a) instruct the person in charge that it is not to be driven in a public place until the defect has been remedied,
(b) require the person in charge or the owner to submit it for a further examination and test at a specified time and place.

So the guard can instruct the driver to replace the wheel at the roadside, or have it towed away from the roadside, and produce the vehicle with the replacement tyre at a later date.

fancy pigeon · 14-12-2016 12:45PM

Think we need less talk on tyres and more tweets! Like below....
https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/808687814665797632

Soooo... Nothing to do with tyres at all!

GM228 · 14-12-2016 02:29PM

infacteh wrote: »

Section 20 of the Road Traffic Act 1968 gives them the power to

So the guard can instruct the driver to replace the wheel at the roadside, or have it towed away from the roadside, and produce the vehicle with the replacement tyre at a later date.

Re-read what I said and what S20 says, I said the Gardaí do not have the power to seize, S20 does not give that power or authorisation for them to have it towed. It simply gives the Gardaí the power to instruct a motorist not to drive any more or submit for a test.

There are only 6 reasons Gardaí can seize a vehicle:-

No insurance

No licence (subject to believing the person is of an age that they can't hold one or are disqualified)

No tax for 2 months or more

No NCT

Unlawful Parking

Abandoned Vehicle - the vehicle is actually seized by a local authority but can be requested by Gardaí and when requested they local authority must do so.

BaronVon · 14-12-2016 05:01PM

GM228 wrote: »

Re-read what I said and what S20 says, I said the Gardaí do not have the power to seize, S20 does not give that power or authorisation for them to have it towed. It simply gives the Gardaí the power to instruct a motorist not to drive any more or submit for a test.

There are only 6 reasons Gardaí can seize a vehicle:-

No insurance

No licence (subject to believing the person is of an age that they can't hold one)

No tax for 2 months or more

No NCT

Unlawful Parking

Abandoned Vehicle - the vehicle is actually seized by a local authority but can be requested by Gardaí and when requested they local authority must do so.

Yes, but they have the power to enforce the driver to rectify the bald tyre issue, therefore there'd be no need to seize the vehicle.

They can also seize vehicles when no VRT has been paid, Section 140 Finance Act.

GM228 · 14-12-2016 05:12PM

infacteh wrote: »

Yes, but they have the power to enforce the driver to rectify the bald tyre issue, therefore there'd be no need to seize the vehicle.

They can also seize vehicles when no VRT has been paid, Section 140 Finance Act.

Incorrect, Gardaí can only "detain" a vehicle under the Finance Act, only an officer of Revenue can seize it.

bazz26 · 14-12-2016 05:13PM

Lads, can we park that argument and move on.

blackbox · 14-12-2016 09:48PM

ongarite wrote: »

Most cars will have an ANPR system in place that reads the car registration plate & lets them know if tax/insurance is out.
http://garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=106&Lang=1

They have phased out discs completely in the UK, relying solely on ANPR.
It works very well in the UK, you wouldn't get a mile down a busy road without being pulled over.

I can see that ANPR will work for tax and NCT, but regarding insurance, it is the driver that is insured, not the car (with the exception of when it is parked in a public place.)

The current insurance disc is a joke. Ideally everyone should have a card that they have to display and they move it from car to car if they have cover to drive other vehicles.

pippip · 14-12-2016 10:13PM

infacteh wrote: »

Irish ANPR doesn't carry insurance details, the insurance industry weren't able to provide reliable, up to date information. Plus, in Ireland, it's the driver that's insured, not the vehicle. AFAIK, in the UK, it's the vehicle that has insurance.

Irish ANPR is all 3G now, so the info is very up to date.

The anpr does have access to insurance but its not very up to date whatever way it works. I've been pulled over with the gardai saying insurance was flagging as out of date. Turned out I had changed.company, he just checked my cert and said the database mustn't have updated yet.

rex-x · 15-12-2016 06:44AM

The info about insurance comes from (or used to) when you tax the car and enter your insurance details

Now there is no validation on that data, you can enter random numbers and dates so easy to set yourself as "insured" for the whole year

hi5 · 15-12-2016 09:15AM

rex-x wrote: »

The info about insurance comes from (or used to) when you tax the car and enter your insurance details Now there is no validation on that data, you can enter random numbers and dates so easy to set yourself as "insured" for the whole year

In which case then every car that's taxed will be insured according to ANPR. Databases need to be linked.

dastardly00 · 15-12-2016 05:29PM

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/809333164921470976

Cheensbo · 15-12-2016 05:37PM

Feel sorry for the driver there tbh, although silly and dangerous - I doubt his first choice was to eat lunch on the go and skip the break..

oleras · 15-12-2016 05:40PM

Cheensbo wrote: »

Feel sorry for the driver there tbh, although silly and dangerous - I doubt his first choice was to eat lunch on the go and skip the break..

And he wasn't an animal, he was using a fork.

nice_guy80 · 15-12-2016 07:14PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/809333164921470976

Gardai making a bit if a meal out of it tbh

DoraDelite · 15-12-2016 08:05PM

Cheensbo wrote: »

Feel sorry for the driver there tbh, although silly and dangerous - I doubt his first choice was to eat lunch on the go and skip the break..

I don't, the consequences of driving distracted aren't pretty..http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4025828/Delivery-driver-38-killed-devoted-elderly-couple-lost-control-lorry-smoking-one-handed-wheel-jailed-two-years.html

colm_mcm · 15-12-2016 08:09PM

It was a good indicator that he hadn't taken his breaks. It's obviously dangerous driving too but not specifically illegal.

GM228 · 15-12-2016 08:14PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/809333164921470976

"dinner in left hand & fork in right hand", he must have run out of hands to stear with when he was using the fork!

Stheno · 15-12-2016 08:30PM

GM228 wrote: »

"dinner in left hand & fork in right hand", he must have run out of hands to stear with when he was using the fork!

Steering with his knees?

Truckermal · 15-12-2016 08:33PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

It was a good indicator that he hadn't taken his breaks. It's obviously dangerous driving too but not specifically illegal.

He is a idiot if the man cannot stop for a few minutes to eat the dinner and relax...

GM228 · 15-12-2016 08:36PM

Stheno wrote: »

Steering with his knees?

Most likely.

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