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Pope will vist Ireland in 2018(mod warning in Op)

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  • #122
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dick phelan wrote: »
    I find it funny how people who say the Church means nothing to them seem to talk about it an awful lot, i haven't been in a Church in years, pay no attention to what the Pope said's or does, people getting angry about the Pope visiting who cares if you don't believe stay away it has no effect on your life.


    Are people not allowed to have an opinion on an organisation they were pressganged into? I'm sure the church would love it if it's opponents just shut up.


  • #123
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,482 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Except the taxes you will be paying to fund the visit

    Your taxes go to a number of things you don't agree with, Ireland welcomes leaders from all over the world many of them from countries with terrible human rights records, the Queens visit cost us a fortune, personally i didn't like my taxes paying for it but that's life our taxes go to lots of things we don't want them to.


  • #124
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Maybe if you read all the report from the Guardian...

    From the ACTUAL document...

    “According to the state of civil laws of each country where reporting is obligatory, it is not necessarily the duty of the bishop to report suspects to authorities, the police or state prosecutors in the moment when they are made aware of crimes or sinful deeds,” the training document states.

    Not necessarily the duty of a Catholic official to report a sex crime against a child.

    Charming.


  • #125
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    From the ACTUAL document...

    “According to the state of civil laws of each country where reporting is obligatory, it is not necessarily the duty of the bishop to report suspects to authorities, the police or state prosecutors in the moment when they are made aware of crimes or sinful deeds,” the training document states.

    Not necessarily the duty of a Catholic official to report a sex crime against a child.

    Charming.


    But of course you can be assured that they would because they are all men of god and have always done so.....hmmm, i see the problem.


  • #126
    Glenster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    Ted111 wrote: »
    You know what other organisation often gets a mention in old victim reports.
    Hint - first word is An.

    An post?


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  • #127
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,765 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    People going on about the paedo thing is one issue but my point is that people are less religious now in Ireland and it's less likely that over 1 million people will pile into the Phoenix Park to listen to legends and stories.


  • #128
    Glenster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Deflection as an abuse victim asked for Cardinal Brady to be replaced and he was replaced.
    Which you did not acknowledge.

    Cardinal Brady shielded paedophiles for decades and allowed abuse to continue, he resisted all calls to retire for years and the Vatican and the pope did nothing.

    Then a few days before he was obliged to leave office he writes a letter and resigns? That's a slap in the face to his victims more than anything else.

    And the Vatican's cowardly silence on the matter for years should be a article of shame for them rather than, perversely, a way for you to somehow claim they were proactive.


  • #129
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Glenster wrote: »
    An post?


    I'm still trying to figure that out myself. "An something" doesnt really narrow it down much.


  • #130
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    An Garda Siochana I would assume

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #131
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    There will be a great trade selling those little yellow and white vatican flags off the back of the hiace van.


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  • #132
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    murpho999 wrote: »
    People going on about the paedo thing is one issue

    #notallpopes


  • #133
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Feels like the A&A forum migrated to AH for the day.


  • #134
    Glenster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    Irish people under 40 think the church is crock of sh*te.

    Shocker.


  • #135
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Imagine if this thread was time warped to 1979 and the upcoming Papal visit by JPII. Actually it wouldn't be just a thread, it would be an entire forum.

    80% of posters would be delighted at the prospect of a visit and where they will be to see the Holy Father, 15% would be indifferent and the 5% opposed to the visit would be seen as a loony bunch of commies, unionists, crazies and sociopaths.

    How times have changed...


  • #136
    CFlat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭CFlat


    No need to complain about the taxes that will be spent, it will come back in multiples because a lot of people will travel to Ireland for this. Flights back in '79 weren't 10 euros each so I think we can expect a lot of 'religious tourism' and it should be good for the economy. It might be a good time to start a little cottage industry making crosses and other religious items :)

    I'm not remotely religious so it means nothing to me but my mum is elderly and I'd say she might go cause that's her thing. Each to their own I suppose.

    Anyway 2 years of fun to be had here.


  • #137
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Glenster wrote: »
    Irish people under 40 think the church is crock of sh*te.

    Shocker.

    Under 40? More like under 60.

    Actually, some of the most ardent anti-Church people are older people in their 50s, 60s and 70s who experienced the brutality of an all-powerful Church at first hand. Many were the survivors of sex abuse, orphanages, Magdalen laundries, symphisotomy, brutality by the Christian Bothers etc.

    And I wouldn't blame them - they have every right to be angry.

    Most people under 40 are pretty indifferent to the church.


  • #138
    Glenster
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Under 40? More like under 60.

    Actually, some of the most ardent anti-Church people are older people in their 50s, 60s and 70s who experienced the brutality of an all- powerful Church at first hand. Many were the survivors of sex abuse, orphanages, Magdalen laundries, symphisotomy, brutality by the Christian Bothers etc.

    And I wouldn't blame them - they have every right to be angry.

    Most people under 40 are pretty indifferent to the church.

    Old people love the church. They eat that whole "heaven" thing up with a spoon. Its cos they fear death, and are stupid.


  • #139
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    80% of posters would be delighted at the prospect of a visit and where they will be to see the Holy Father, 15% would be indifferent and the 5% opposed to the visit would be seen as a loony bunch of commies, unionists, crazies and sociopaths.

    How times have changed...

    The current Pope is (at the very least) a Communist sympathiser. He even sent a very nice telegram to Raúl Castro on Saturday, expressing his sadness at the death of his brother. I, for one, welcome his visit. :)


  • #140
    JupiterKid
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    Glenster wrote: »
    Old people love the church. They eat that whole "heaven" thing up with a spoon. Its cos they fear death, and are stupid.

    That's a sweeping generalisation and condescending - actually insulting to older people who have a lot more life experience than you. Actually, I know of quite a few people of my parent's generation (in their 70s) who are not all that fond of the church at all. Some of the most bitter anti-church people are in the older age cohorts. My late father had little time for the Vatican or the hierarchy which he saw as corrupt and power hungry.

    Yes, older people tend to be more devout but by no means all of them.

    How old are you?


  • #141
    CFlat
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    Glenster wrote: »
    Old people love the church. They eat that whole "heaven" thing up with a spoon. Its cos they fear death, and are stupid.


    Old people are stupid. What a vile and disgusting post. Do you feel good about yourself after writing that. For your sake I hope you don't. You are also directing your anger at the wrong people but you probably don't care about that.


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  • #142
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,348 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    I really don't feel like we should be paying to get patronised by a Jesuit that lives in a palace.


  • #143
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    I really don't feel like we should be paying to get patronised by a Jesuit that lives in a palace.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx2sJBTwqVI


  • #144
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod- Knock it on the head with the Catholic bashing please. No more references to them being a pedo cult etc.


  • #145
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Dick phelan wrote: »
    who cares if you don't believe stay away it has no effect on your life.

    This bunch still control over 90% of the primary schools that we all pay for with our taxes, and they exercise the right to deny a state service (education) to anybody not a member of their holy club.

    This is also a transparent attempt to undermine the repeal of the 8th amendment, it is already clear that the referendum cannot take place next year (or rather that the government will not allow it) so the timing here is no accident at all.

    Just last year these people were trying to shame/frighten people into voting against marriage equality, the year before they were threatening to excommunicate TDs who didn't vote their way on an extremely limited abortion law.

    Of course they owe the state (that's US) hundreds of millions of euro they promised to pay in compensation for their vile abuse, two chances of them keeping their word on that.

    If you think they have no influence on this country, think on.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #146
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,760 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    No problem with him coming but I think he should absolutely apologise when on Irish soil. If he doesnt then Id happily join a protest against his presence here. Child abuse in the Church has destroyed too many peoples lives in Ireland just to be glossed over in the usual nothing to see here way.

    Also the Repeal the 8th referendum is pencilled in for 2018. Under no circumstances should his visit clash in any way with the referendum. Any vote on the 8th needs to be held before he arrives.


  • #147
    368100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭368100


    Couldn't care less tbh


  • #148
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    You can thank De Valera for allowing the church to take complete control of the education sector. That should never have been allowed. Education should have been secular, with the religious operating private schools if they saw fit to do so.

    But I can see the end for religious influence on primary schools. I mean, the clergy is dying off in droves. There are hardly any young men replacing the numbers. Simple demographics and death are going to see to a continuing shrinkage of the clergy. I hear that some parishes have to bring priests over from Africa and Asia as there are too few Irish ones to go around.

    The days of "priest ridden Ireland" are a distant memory. New recruits into the priesthood started to go into decline in the 1960s. Of course, they could bolster the numbers by allowing women priests but they can't bring themselves to countenance that. They are the architects of their own demise.


  • #149
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,482 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    This bunch still control over 90% of the primary schools that we all pay for with our taxes, and they exercise the right to deny a state service (education) to anybody not a member of their holy club.

    This is also a transparent attempt to undermine the repeal of the 8th amendment, it is already clear that the referendum cannot take place next year (or rather that the government will not allow it) so the timing here is no accident at all.

    Just last year these people were trying to shame/frighten people into voting against marriage equality, the year before they were threatening to excommunicate TDs who didn't vote their way on an extremely limited abortion law.

    Of course they owe the state (that's US) hundreds of millions of euro they promised to pay in compensation for their vile abuse, two chances of them keeping their word on that.

    If you think they have no influence on this country, think on.
    The Church like everybody else is entitled to their views, they are not undermining any referendum on the 8th, they don't agree with abortion as is there right and many people both catholics and non catholics share that view. The schools is an issue i agree but many of our schools were founded by religious orders so it's natural they have sway in the schools they founded. The Church has little power in this country, if they had the marriage referendum would have failed but it didn't, it won by quite a large majority, that in itself tells you how much sway the church now has on public opinion.


  • #150
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,760 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    You can thank De Valera for allowing the church to take complete control of the education sector. That should never have been allowed. Education should have been secular, with the religious operating private schools if they saw fit to do so.

    Complete control of the hospitals too. In fact it was always said that Archbishop McQuaid had a direct phone line to DeValera to give him instructions when drafting new legislation.

    Anyone who fought in the Rising and subsequent War of Independence did so to gain our freedom from the British. And then when that was won DeV gave the keys of the country to the Church to run it how they saw fit, mainly with an iron fist.


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  • #151
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    The Irish state was allowed to be turned into a proxy Catholic state because that is what the majority of people believed in back then. Got to put a bit of context to it.


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