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Xylitol, why isn't it more widely recommended and used.

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  • #62
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    Muhammed_1 wrote: »


    This forum thread will stand in the future as a testament to the closed mind attitude of Irish dentists.

    No, it won't.

    Speaking of attitude I find it strange that a non proffesional is pushing one product (in general) in such agressive manner tbh.


  • #63
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Muhammed_1 wrote: »

    Fitzgeme, do you believe the dentists I'm quoting are lying?
    or are they merely mistaken?

    No-one has provided any links stating that xylitol is ineffective.

    .

    Firstly I dont believe they are lying, only that they make decisions based on low quality evidence.

    Secondly I have provided a load of links to a load of studies , if you read them and understand them they show that at best it has a small effect and at worst if does nothing, about 50:50 from my research. As a mouthwash there is very little evidence, and usually its the fluoride in the thats having the effect. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence however its a silly position from which to make recommendation.

    You seem to mistake the scientific method for being closed minded, but dentists work on quality evidence not faith.

    This is really getting weird BTW


  • #64
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    wonski wrote: »
    No, it won't.

    Speaking of attitude I find it strange that a non proffesional is pushing one product (in general) in such agressive manner tbh.


    More like they are trying to build reasons and "leave a papertrail" of why they have a few sacks of xylitol lying about when the gardai come calling

    xylitol + bit of nitrating = C5H7N5O15 = explosive





    Seems to like ordering chemicals :
    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    Also this.
    *CITRIC ACID* 1KG Powder - Many Uses (Including As Descaler) - FOOD and 'Pharma...
    by PlantPowders.co.uk
    £2.99
    Add-on Item

    It's an add-on item so can only be bought if bought as part of a larger order, over £20 I think, for free delivery to Ireland.

    and is reluctant to hand over ID :

    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    Three mobile use an adult filter which blocks sites.

    Meteor do not have an adult filter.

    You can show ID to Three to get them to remove the adult filter but I am not prepared to give them my ID.


    Three block religious sites, politicial sites and commercial sites in addition to blocking porn sites. It really is a joke.

    A second internet connection is necessary if you don't want to show ID to Three.

    This Meteor offer is good value for a backup internet service.


  • #65
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    Those are outrageous slurs.

    You are harassing me in contravention of Boards rules.

    Are you actually calling me a terrorist?

    You have implied that I am seeking to make explosives!

    This is madness and I intend to report it.


  • #66
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    gctest50 wrote: »
    More like they are trying to build reasons and "leave a papertrail" of why they have a few sacks of xylitol lying about when the gardai come calling

    xylitol + bit of nitrating = C5H7N5O15 = explosive


    Are you really suggesting in good faith that I am seeking to make explosives?

    My God!

    That is madness, and completely wrong.

    What gives you the right to accuse me of seeking to make explosives?

    Making explosives is a serious criminal offence. What gives you the right to accuse me as you have done?

    I had no idea that xylitol can be used to make explosives.


    This thread is really bizarre.


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  • #67
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


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  • #68
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    Remarkably childish this forum is, as yoda said.

    It goes to show how the internet attracts and concentrates the opinions of weirdos.


  • #69
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    Remarkably childish this forum is, as yoda said.

    It goes to show how the internet attracts and concentrates the opinions of weirdos.

    Oh the ironing


  • #70
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    Remarkably childish this forum is, as yoda said.

    It goes to show how the internet attracts and concentrates the opinions of weirdos.

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  • #71
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    The ironing is delicious.

    What's your point?


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  • #72
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    so called professionals acting like children. Using pictures to make your points for you.

    Oh, the ironing, the ironing.


  • #73
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    so called professionals acting like children. Using pictures to make your points for you.

    Oh, the ironing, the ironing.

    bro-do-you-even-science.jpg


  • #74
    srsly78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    OP you may want to sit down and take a breath. You just got owned pretty hard.


  • #75
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    .

    You'd wonder what someone would be up to with the fanatical interest in Xylitol

    and all this experience in the ordering of Citric Acid in bulk :

    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    OP, look for the same product from a different seller.

    Look for a 'Prime' product. They're delivered free if your basket is over £20.

    There is Citric Acid 1Kg for £6.49 instead of £4.80 like you had found. The 6.49 one has free delivery to Ireland if your basket is over £20.


    There's also this.
    Citric Acid 2.5 Kg, Pharmaceutical & Food Quality, 100% Pure, powder E330, ecological descaler, NortemBio, CE product.
    by NortemBio
    £11.60

    Prime, so free delivery to Ireland if over £20.

    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    Also this.
    *CITRIC ACID* 1KG Powder - Many Uses (Including As Descaler) - FOOD and 'Pharma...
    by PlantPowders.co.uk
    £2.99
    Add-on Item

    It's an add-on item so can only be bought if bought as part of a larger order, over £20 I think, for free delivery to Ireland.

    be right dodgy if someone was ordering bleach too

    According to Erroll Southers, the chief of intelligence and counterterrorism at Los Angeles International Airport, :


    "Peroxide-based explosives are the weapon of choice in the Middle East,"




  • #76
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    The ironing is delicious.

    What's your point?

    Mmmmmm
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  • #77
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    de Grasse Tyson is no match for Carl Sagan!

    Cosmos 2 muppet.

    Cosmos 2 quoted large parts of the original Cosmos as de Grasse Tyson couldn't say it better than Sagan already had.


  • #78
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    de Grasse Tyson is no match for Carl Sagan!

    Cosmos 2 muppet.

    Cosmos 2 quoted large parts of the original Cosmos as de Grasse Tyson couldn't say it better than Sagan already had.

    Sagan a great man alright some of my favorite quotes from him

    "The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses"

    "With insufficient data it is easy to go wrong."

    "We wish to pursue the truth no matter where it leads — but to find the truth, we need imagination and skepticism both."

    "There are many hypotheses in science that are wrong. That's perfectly alright; it's the aperture to finding out what's right. Science is a self-correcting process. To be accepted, new ideas must survive the most rigorous standards of evidence and scrutiny. "

    "In all the wide cosmos, xylitol has not yet been show to have a long term cariostatic effect"

    I may have made one up of those...but which one?


  • #79
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    more deflection and attempted mocking.

    Well done.


    billions and billions.


  • #80
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Back on topic so. I have gone on "teh Internets" and found this "evidence".

    In lab tests, xylitol will kill a rat 50% of the time in a dosage of 16.5 grams of xylitol for every 1000 grams of rat. Medium rats weigh 100-120 grams, or say .25 pounds. That means, to kill a 100 gram rat, you need only to get the rat to consume, 1.65 grams of xylitol.

    A typical xylitol piece of gum contains .7 – 1 gram of xylitol. About half the amount needed to kill a rat. I read of a study stating that humans consumed up to 400 grams of xylitol per day without any ill health effects. I find that hard to believe that such a study is accurate in comparison to the lab tests done as indicated on the material safety data sheets. If 1.65 grams can kill a rat, consuming 400 grams would be highly toxic to humans. - http://www.naturalnews.com/022986.html

    This is an alarming turn up. Not since the dihydrogen monoxide injestion deaths of 15th April 1912 has such a risk existed.


  • #81
    ArthurG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭ArthurG


    I can see what's happening here.... "Dentists Hate Him!"

    Where can I buy this wonder product?


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  • #82
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    FitzGeme.

    I am not recommending xylitol for your pet rat.

    I pointed out yesterday that xylitol can be very dangerous to wildlife, like dogs for example.

    I am not selling a product.


  • #83
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,946 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ArthurG wrote: »
    I can see what's happening here.... "Dentists Hate Him!"

    Where can I buy this wonder product?


    the same place you buy the miracle cure turmeric.


  • #84
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    Fitzgeme, your science is questionable.

    Your link says this.
    It is obvious to me, as it might be to you, that xylitol, in addition to killing bacteria, will probably kill just about anything.


    That statement is not obvious, and it is likely false.

    As I posted earlier.
    from http://www.rdhmag.com/articles/print/volume-31/issue-4/features/wonders-of-xylitol.html
    RDH Mag is a professional dental magazine.

    ...
    Xylitol is a normal part of everyday human metabolism. Our bodies make up to five to 10 grams per day in the metabolism of carbohydrates. Unfortunately, this process occurs in the gut, so it does not deliver any oral benefits. Since our bodies produce xylitol and the enzymes to break it down, there is no chance for any adverse reaction from eating products containing xylitol.


    Do you not agree?


  • #85
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    more nonsense statements from your link , FitzGeme.

    While there is a variety of opinions on what foods to eat in replacement of processed sugar, it is blatantly clear that processed sugars, like xylitol, are extremely harmful to humans


    You appear to accept any source that agrees with you, while refusing to accept my sources from professional dental magazines.


    The author is clearly a vested interest.
    About the author
    Ramiel Nagel is the internationally published author of Cure Tooth Decay and Healing Our Children In "Cure Tooth Decay" Nagel, reveals how your teeth can heal naturally because they were never designed to decay in the first place! Now there is a natural way to take control of your dental health by changing the food that you eat. Receive 19 free lessons on how to stop cavities


  • #86
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    News from RationalWiki about your source, FitzGeme.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

    NaturalNews.com (formerly Newstarget, which is now a separate site) is a website run by Mike Adams (self-labeled "The Health Ranger") which promotes alternative medicine and related conspiracy theories and attacks on science.[2] Even other quacks think it's a quack site.[3]

    The site particularly specializes in vaccine denialism and woo,[4] AIDS/HIV denialism,[5] quack cancer treatments,[6] and conspiracy theories about "Big Pharma"[7] and modern medicine in toto.

    Furthermore, Adams supports quantum woo, specifically quantum healing[8] and quantum consciousness.[9] NaturalNews advances a hard green position, even though the site also promotes global warming denialism.[10] To top it off, Adams promotes conspiracy theories about gun control.[11]

    If you cite NaturalNews on any matter whatsoever, you are almost certainly wrong.


  • #87
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Yeah your right. That was from a professional natural health website. How on earth have they made such an error. Its as if they are bending the evidence and drawing conclusion to validate their point of view. Its as if they just wanted to fill column inches, alarm people and make unsubstantiated claims. I should be more sceptical about this and not trust everything I read. Some people making wild claims could take advantage of my trusting nature. The ironing of all ironing's.

    BTW a dental hygiene magazine is not a source of evidence. Its something to read on the bog. There is note even one reference in it.

    Have you tried oil pulling?


  • #88
    ArthurG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭ArthurG


    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    ... dental magazines....

    Think that's your problem right there buddy


  • #89
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,549 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Muhammed_1 wrote: »
    Fitzgeme, your science is questionable.
    I think your sarcasm detector needs recalibrating.


  • #90
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


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  • #91
    Muhammed_1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 267 ✭✭Muhammed_1


    Are people aware of Rational Wiki?

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

    It says that NaturalNews is a known scam site, which promotes pseudo science.

    Do you not care about that?




    What about Wikipedia?
    It also says that NaturalNews is a questionable site.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_News
    Characterized as a "conspiracy-minded alternative medicine website", Natural News has approximately 7 million unique visitors per month.[11]

    Natural News (formerly NewsTarget) is a website for the sale of various dietary supplements, promotion of alternative medicine, controversial nutrition and health claims,[2] and various conspiracy theories,[3] such as "chemtrails", chemophobic claims (including the purported dangers of fluoride in drinking water,[4] anti-perspirants, laundry detergent, monosodium glutamate, aspartame), and purported health problems caused by allegedly "toxic" ingredients in vaccines,[2] including the now-discredited link to autism.[5] It has also spread conspiracy theories about the Zika virus allegedly being spread by genetically modified mosquitoes[6] and purported adverse effects of genetically modified crops, as well as the farming practices associated with and foods derived from them.[7]




    Why are you linking to scam websites to support your position?


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