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Assaulted by a Cyclist MOD WARNING post #44

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  • #92
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Joshua5 wrote: »
    Probably but his mood shouldn't disrupt my day. He was wrong to block the road so he deserved the beep and wave :D

    He probably did deserve a beep but discretion is the better part of valour.


  • #93
    cython
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,828 ✭✭✭cython


    Joshua5 wrote: »
    When you are driving on a public road and someone impeded your journey you can beep and you can wave on. Driving is an activity requiring engagement with other road users, plain and simple. I waited long enough while he hit the taxi and held me up. I wasn't waiting any longer.

    Eh, nope, not unless you can point out to me which of the below that qualifies as? To be clear, your getting frustrated does not qualify as "necessary on grounds of safety" unless you were otherwise going to run him over, in which case that's a whole other law!
    86. (1) Subject to the following sub-articles of this article, the driver of every vehicle which is required by article 28 of these Regulations to be fitted with an audible warning device shall, whenever necessary in a public place, give audible and sufficient warning of the approach or position of the vehicle by sounding the device.

    (2) A person shall not use, or permit to be used, any device provided on a vehicle for the purpose of giving audible warning except when such use is reasonably necessary on grounds of safety.

    (3) (a) A person shall not, between the hours of 11.30 p.m. and 7 a.m., sound any audible warning device provided on a vehicle while the vehicle is on a road to which a speed limit of 30 miles per hour or 40 miles per hour under Section 45 or 46 of the Act applies:

    Provided that this paragraph shall not apply to a vehicle used for fire brigade, ambulance, or police purposes.

    (b) Where a person is charged with a contravention of paragraph (a) of this sub-article, it shall be a good defence to the charge to show that the use of the audible warning device was necessary for the purpose of avoiding immediate danger.

    (4) Nothing in this article shall prevent—

    (a) the sounding of a device for the purposes of raising an alarm as to theft or attempted theft,

    (b) the sounding of a device operated by radio to summon the driver of a vehicle used for public utility or emergency services.


  • #94
    Joshua5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Joshua5


    D0NNELLY wrote: »
    I was actually thinking of trump with the amount of lads on here that think beeping=dig in the jaw..

    In fairness it was a pathetic dig in the jaw and an attempt of a sucker punch. As soon as I got out he was off cycling like a a world champion. If someone hits or attempts to hit you I think you should defend yourself.


  • #95
    D0NNELLY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭D0NNELLY


    SteM wrote: »
    Scumbag behaviour kicking your car.

    He's kind of right though, you shouldn't just beep at a cyclist to tell them where you are. You should adjust your driving to make sure you don't hit them. If everyone that was close to me on my commute beeped at me to tell me how close they were in relation to me then I'd be deaf by the end of the week.
    Don't disagree with you. Just relaying it as it happened.


  • #96
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    SteM wrote: »
    What's going to happen? The cyclist will deny it and that's the end of that. It's not like there's video evidence either way.

    It's entered into Pulse and that may be the end of it but the cyclist doesn't sound like someone who has a firm grasp on reality so it may not be his first altercation.


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  • #97
    Joshua5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Joshua5


    cython wrote: »
    Eh, nope, not unless you can point out to me which of the below that qualifies as? To be clear, your getting frustrated does not qualify as "necessary on grounds of safety" unless you were otherwise going to run him over, in which case that's a whole other law!

    Blocking a road on a bicycle is a safety matter. Blocking a yellow box, specifically a yellow box that you where bashing up a car for blocking deserves a beep. You can't have a wobbler for a car doing it then proceed to do it yourself. There is no law against sounding the horn for an obstruction to a public road. Obstruction to a public road is a safety issue. He was obstructing the road.


  • #98
    SteM
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    Caliden wrote: »
    It's entered into Pulse and that may be the end of it but the cyclist doesn't sound like someone who has a firm grasp on reality so it may not be his first altercation.

    People are suggesting the OP goes back to try and see skanger on his commute the following day. It means nothing. All the cyclist has to do it deny they were involved in this incident and the gardai will drop it. What can the gardai do in this instance without any evidence? Even if it's not his first altercation if it's his word against the OPs without any proof then nothing can happen.


  • #99
    Joshua5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Joshua5


    SteM wrote: »
    People are suggesting the OP goes back to try and see skanger on his commute the following day. It means nothing. All the cyclist has to do it deny they were involved in this incident and the gardai will drop it. What can the gardai do in this instance without any evidence? Even if it's not his first altercation if it's his word against the OPs without any proof then nothing can happen.

    The weird thing is he wasn't a skanger. he was middle aged business man having a meltdown. I'd imagine the punch is on cctv along with me running down the road after him for hitting me. Plus I've got my tooth to be cemented back in.


  • #100
    cython
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,828 ✭✭✭cython


    Joshua5 wrote: »
    Blocking a road on a bicycle is a safety matter. Blocking a yellow box, specifically a yellow box that you where bashing up a car for blocking deserves a beep. You can't have a wobbler for a car doing it then proceed to do it yourself. There is no law against sounding the horn for an obstruction to a public road. Obstruction to a public road is a safety issue. He was obstructing the road.

    And I'm sure that was exactly what was going through your head when you beeped :rolleyes: Care to explain how beeping your horn was actually going to improve the safety of any of this though? In actual execution it seems to have vastly disimproved it for all concerned, so I'd be a little surprised if you can come with anything that's not exceedingly speculative.


  • #101
    Caliden
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    SteM wrote: »
    People are suggesting the OP goes back to try and see skanger on his commute the following day. It means nothing. All the cyclist has to do it deny they were involved in this incident and the gardai will drop it. What can the gardai do in this instance without any evidence? Even if it's not his first altercation if it's his word against the OPs without any proof then nothing can happen.


    I'm still failing to see why you're advising not to report it?

    Assault is a crime last time I checked. Proving it is the Gardai's job, not the OP's


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  • #102
    Fighting Tao
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    Joshua5 wrote: »
    Blocking a road on a bicycle is a safety matter.

    Only if you intend on driving through the bicycle. It's more of a hindrance that the road was temporarily blocked by a bicycle. If there had not been a person on the bicycle would you still have beeped?


  • #103
    SteM
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    Joshua5 wrote: »
    The weird thing is he wasn't a skanger. he was middle aged business man having a meltdown. I'd imagine the punch is on cctv along with me running down the road after him for hitting me. Plus I've got my tooth to be cemented back in.

    Well if you think there's CCTV footage then make it your business to go to the local station to report it, might teach this fella a lesson. Most half decent CCTV footage is recorded by businesses like shops, bookies etc but these rarely have a camera pointing at a road.


  • #104
    SteM
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    Caliden wrote: »
    I'm still failing to see why you're advising not to report it?

    Assault is a crime last time I checked. Proving it is the Gardai's job, not the OP's

    Where did I advise not to report it?


  • #105
    Joshua5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Joshua5


    cython wrote: »
    And I'm sure that was exactly what was going through your head when you beeped :rolleyes: Care to explain how beeping your horn was actually going to improve the safety of any of this though? In actual execution it seems to have vastly disimproved it for all concerned, so I'd be a little surprised if you can come with anything that's not exceedingly speculative.

    I was proceeding forward and I beeped to inform him of this so he would move.
    You disagree with this approach? Are you suggesting we just leave people to infringe on our rights to go about our business because they are having an off day. He had no business taking exception with me, I was not part of his original beef. I wanted him to move, simple as.


  • #106
    Joshua5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Joshua5


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Only if you intend on driving through the bicycle. It's more of a hindrance that the road was temporarily blocked by a bicycle. If there had not been a person on the bicycle would you still have beeped?

    Come on now. This is petty. The guy was blocking the road, the entire road. I was first in line and I might add I wasn't the only one beeping. The buses where beeping, cars you name it.

    Should we all have waited for him to compose himself or for his medication to kick in? I started to move forward in my car and cars where even beeping me to progress. Of course I would beep and wave him on. Thats just stupid


  • #107
    RacoonQueen
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    OP, do you mean the taxi was trying to turn right from Prospect Road onto Whitworth Rd? :confused:


  • #108
    68 lost souls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭68 lost souls


    Joshua5 wrote: »
    I was proceeding forward and I beeped to inform him of this so he would move.
    You disagree with this approach? Are you suggesting we just leave people to infringe on our rights to go about our business because they are having an off day. He had no business taking exception with me, I was not part of his original beef. I wanted him to move, simple as.

    Yes but by sweating at him you involved yourself. Learn from it, report him and move on


  • #109
    Joshua5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Joshua5


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    OP, do you mean the taxi was trying to turn right from Prospect Road onto Whitworth Rd? :confused:

    No, I'm not sure the name of the road, but coming from the cemetery direction I went passed with Whitworth Rd onto the bridge. You know when you are in the right lane to filter in.

    Straight after with Whitworth theres a pub and cross guns snooker hall. That road directly on the canal that leads to the main road has the yellow box.

    The taxi was coming out of that road and turning right towards hearts corner. Does that make sense? As soon as he turned right the road in front was clear as it gets backlogged at the lights by the centre. That show long I was waiting for this chap to move on an he still didn't.


  • #110
    MeatTwoVeg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    68 lost souls wrote:
    Yes but by sweating at him you involved yourself. Learn from it, report him and move on


    And buy a decent antiperspirant.


  • #111
    Zynks
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    Trekker09 wrote: »
    It's an assault irregardless of him being a cyclist. I had a lad banging on my car window last week in Kilkenny as I honked him for having no lights or hi vis. It was dark and just wanted to let him know that I couldn't see him, especially with traffic coming towards me.

    Strangers are never going to taking 'honking' as a friendly action. Why not try talking instead?


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  • #112
    beauf
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    Joshua5 wrote: »
    Blocking a road on a bicycle is a safety matter. Blocking a yellow box, specifically a yellow box that you where bashing up a car for blocking deserves a beep. You can't have a wobbler for a car doing it then proceed to do it yourself. There is no law against sounding the horn for an obstruction to a public road. Obstruction to a public road is a safety issue. He was obstructing the road.

    I see this kinda stuff all the time. I've seen quite a few sucker punches though car windows. By all types of road users. You never know who you are going to meet on the road. They might have nothing to lose. The might be ill, or violent or both.

    You asked for constructive feedback. Consider how you could avoid the same situation again. For me 5 mins delay is not enough to justify the risk of needing repairs to the car, myself or my passengers. its not a priority for me.

    Dunno why you posted it in cycling. Its got nothing to do with cycling. Its just some nutter on the street.


  • #113
    beauf
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    Zynks wrote: »
    Strangers are never going to taking 'honking' as a friendly action. Why not try talking instead?

    Why not try patience and letting them wander off in their own time.


  • #114
    AnneFrank
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    Joshua5 wrote: »
    The weird thing is he wasn't a skanger. he was middle aged business man having a meltdown. I'd imagine the punch is on cctv along with me running down the road after him for hitting me. Plus I've got my tooth to be cemented back in.

    if someone is clearly riled you don't beep at him shaking your hand at him, especially when you have your wife and child in the car.
    I'm not suprised he confronted you, the punch was cowardly admittedly, but i'd have told you to f off and mind your own business myself.
    Take it on the chin and learn from it, going to the gardai is a waste of time they'd laugh at you


  • #115
    Fighting Tao
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    Joshua5 wrote: »
    Come on now. This is petty. The guy was blocking the road, the entire road. I was first in line and I might add I wasn't the only one beeping. The buses where beeping, cars you name it.

    Should we all have waited for him to compose himself or for his medication to kick in? I started to move forward in my car and cars where even beeping me to progress. Of course I would beep and wave him on. Thats just stupid

    Yes you should have waited. The guy was confrontational as you saw. He had no beef with you and would have moved off. Beeping at someone while moving towards them and shouting your own abuse is threatening.

    You were not part of the initial altercation and you triggered the altercation that you had. It would never have happened if you controlled your temper.

    I am not defending the guy as he should have let your anger pass and not got even more riled up himself. Even if he exchanged words with you he should not have hit you.

    If you do get the guards to take a statement from you please make sure that you include the full story that you have been drip feeding here.


  • #116
    RacoonQueen
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    Joshua5 wrote: »
    No, I'm not sure the name of the road, but coming from the cemetery direction I went passed with Whitworth Rd onto the bridge. You know when you are in the right lane to filter in.

    Straight after with Whitworth theres a pub and cross guns snooker hall. That road directly on the canal that leads to the main road has the yellow box.

    The taxi was coming out of that road and turning right towards hearts corner. Does that make sense? As soon as he turned right the road in front was clear as it gets backlogged at the lights by the centre. That show long I was waiting for this chap to move on an he still didn't.

    If he was turning from the road directly along the canal at the snooker hall, there is no right turn there between 7am and 10am (or something) which may be what got the cyclist riled up. Doesn't justify the bloke punching you in the face and two wrongs don't make a right but....
    Only asking because there are a fair few no right turns a long there so my initial reaction was the taxi was taking an illegal right turn (which would piss me off if I was in the car, never mind on the bike)

    I would report it btw...


  • #117
    beauf
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    AnneFrank wrote: »
    if someone is clearly riled you don't beep at him shaking your hand at him, especially when you have your wife and child in the car....

    Just for reference....

    gary-larsen.png


  • #118
    Eamonnator
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    easygoing39 wrote: »
    I'm getting the popcorn ready!! :)

    What do you think of it so far?


  • #119
    Joshua5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Joshua5


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    If he was turning from the road directly along the canal at the snooker hall, there is no right turn there between 7am and 10am (or something) which may be what got the cyclist riled up. Doesn't justify the bloke punching you in the face and two wrongs don't make a right but....
    Only asking because there are a fair few no right turns a long there so my initial reaction was the taxi was taking an illegal right turn (which would piss me off if I was in the car, never mind on the bike)

    I would report it btw...

    I just reported in now in person after hearing the daylight robbery from my dentist to cement the tooth back in... Felt like reporting him also. I just want the cost for my tooth repair


  • #120
    Sam Kade
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    givyjoe wrote: »
    Get a grip will you. Cyclist looks into car, sees wife and child and boxes the driver? Perfectly understandable to get out in that case.

    If driver kept his mouth shut it wouldn't have happened ;) hence one of them is as big an eejit as the other.


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  • #121
    Joshua5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Joshua5


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    If driver kept his mouth shut it wouldn't have happened ;) hence one of them is as big an eejit as the other.

    Great logic, man holds up family on their way about their business and gets beeped at. Irrational man follows family and bangs window and sucker punches driver. Great logic, well done


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