Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

LXFlyer · 16-10-2016 02:26PM

XPS_Zero wrote: »

It's uttterly ridiculous that striking over new routes or tech is a thing at all. Pay and conditions are one thing but that?

They seem blissfully unaware that this kind of behaviour gives nothing but ammo to people who want to push privatisation

Just to correct you - they don't tend to strike over new routes per se - but rather new rosters, which like it or not are part of the "pay & conditions".

However if the new rosters are in compliance with agreed procedures then they haven't a leg to stand on.

end of the road · 16-10-2016 03:19PM

XPS_Zero wrote: »

It's uttterly ridiculous that striking over new routes or tech is a thing at all. Pay and conditions are one thing but that?

not if it means extra work load without some compensation.

XPS_Zero wrote: »

They seem blissfully unaware that this kind of behaviour gives nothing but ammo to people who want to push privatisation

no, no they really don't. they are well aware like anyone else that anything can be used to push the agenda of privatization. they also know that any of the issues that we would be told would go away with privatization, don't go away with privatization.

Jamie2k9 · 16-10-2016 03:22PM

lxflyer wrote: »

Just to correct you - they don't tend to strike over new routes per se - but rather new rosters, which like it or not are part of the "pay & conditions".

Striking over rosters is questionable as if it does no impact terms and conditions it's not valid. The DART dispute in terms of rosters was not valid but it's obvious why IE eased off with the dispute.

GM228 · 16-10-2016 03:35PM

lxflyer wrote: »

Just to correct you - they don't tend to strike over new routes per se - but rather new rosters, which like it or not are part of the "pay & conditions".

You are incorrect, rostering is not part of pay and conditions.

Rostering is a work practice as decided by our courts and not part of any pay and conditions (i.e roster changes are not a change of your terms and conditions of employment).

LXFlyer · 16-10-2016 03:58PM

GM228 wrote: »

You are incorrect, rostering is not part of pay and conditions.

Rostering is a work practice as decided by our courts and not part of any pay and conditions (i.e roster changes are not a change of your terms and conditions of employment).

OK fair enough - I was using the term "pay and conditions" in the post above in the broadest sense to include agreed work practices - in other words I meant outside agreements. I wasn't intending to use legal terms but making a broad point.

ChannelNo5 · 17-10-2016 12:54PM

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Anyone have any idea why the first "leaked" timetable on Irish rails website was nothing like the one put out for consultation?

Because it was rejected by the NTA and IE were asked to review it in line with earlier agreements.

LXFlyer · 17-10-2016 01:19PM

ChannelNo5 wrote: »

Because it was rejected by the NTA and IE were asked to review it in line with earlier agreements.

Again - the reason is that there are not enough drivers available to operate the all day timetable.

sheff the ref · 31-10-2016 06:07PM

So when will we be able to travel on this???

LXFlyer · 31-10-2016 06:15PM

sheff the ref wrote: »

So when will we be able to travel on this???

Whenever IE and the NTA announce it.

Given that there are ongoing negotiations on pay & conditions with drivers this may be having an impact, I don't know, but I'm sure the unions will try and use it as a bargaining chip.

ClovenHoof · 02-11-2016 12:16AM

Irish Rail needs to be destroyed and replaced with a rail service provider.

Jamie2k9 · 02-11-2016 05:08PM

Still doing training to Connolly, not sure if they will have to do it to GCD separately.

Hilly Bill · 02-11-2016 05:27PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Irish Rail needs to be destroyed and replaced with a rail service provider.

They said the same about fianna fail and look what you got. The only difference here would be the same people driving the train with a different uniform and possibly on better pay.

Jamie2k9 · 02-11-2016 06:23PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Irish Rail needs to be destroyed and replaced with a rail service provider.

They said the same about fianna fail and look what you got. The only difference here would be the same people driving the train with a different uniform and possibly on better pay.

And unions say privatisation is a bad thing

02-11-2016 06:48PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

They said the same about fianna fail and look what you got. The only difference here would be the same people driving the train with a different uniform and possibly on better pay.

Increased dividends for shareholders more likely!

Hilly Bill · 02-11-2016 07:25PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

And unions say privatisation is a bad thing

It can be for both staff and passengers. For staff it could be a change of pay and conditions and it's no guarantee that you won't get delays, lower fares or the end of standing on trains. It will be just another name to give out about.

Hilly Bill · 02-11-2016 07:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Increased dividends for shareholders more likely!

You may be right but why alter my post? Could you have not just posted that anyway?

Jamie2k9 · 02-11-2016 08:21PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

And unions say privatisation is a bad thing

It can be for both staff and passengers. For staff it could be a change of pay and conditions and it's no guarantee that you won't get delays, lower fares or the end of standing on trains. It will be just another name to give out about.

I agree it has some pluses like everything bus surprised you take the same view.

02-11-2016 08:34PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

You may be right but why alter my post? Could you have not just posted that anyway?

Privatisation does not have a good track record in improving the wages of the general staff, that's why.

Hilly Bill · 02-11-2016 09:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Privatisation does not have a good track record in improving the wages of the general staff, that's why.

I didn't say otherwise, so why alter my post? It's all may or may nots,

Hilly Bill · 02-11-2016 09:14PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I agree it has some pluses like everything bus surprised you take the same view.

The only ones that will prosper would be senior management, the rest will be fighting for their rights and the passengers caught up in the crossfire with no guarantees that their quest for the demise of Irish rail will be any beneficial for them if they get what they want. It's a case of being careful for what you wish for. Anyways it's nothing to do with the thread in question.

Jamie2k9 · 02-11-2016 10:20PM

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I agree it has some pluses like everything bus surprised you take the same view.

The only ones that will prosper would be senior management, the rest will be fighting for their rights and the passengers caught up in the crossfire with no guarantees that their quest for the demise of Irish rail will be any beneficial for them if they get what they want. It's a case of being careful for what you wish for. Anyways it's nothing to do with the thread in question.

TBH I dont think they really would, looking at UK system is no comparison as to what a private railway would look like for a range of reasons. It will never happen anyway!

ArmaniJeanss · 02-11-2016 10:57PM

So, 59 days before the thread title becomes a complete lie.
Pity the OP closed their account, we could have got them banned.

sheff the ref · 03-11-2016 10:36PM

Went to Heuston by train this morning. As someone mentioned further up, there is a curved platform as the line branches off for the Phoenix Park tunnel that you can see prior to entering Heuston. It makes logic to use this. Any walkway would have to be external to Heuston Station via the Car Park beside the station but that is achievable

tabbey · 03-11-2016 11:00PM

sheff the ref wrote: »

Went to Heuston by train this morning. As someone mentioned further up, there is a curved platform as the line branches off for the Phoenix Park tunnel that you can see prior to entering Heuston. It makes logic to use this. Any walkway would have to be external to Heuston Station via the Car Park beside the station but that is achievable

That is platform 10,which was used during reconstruction of the main station about fifteen years ago.

It is only usable by southbound trains, and there is no crossover to facilitate northbound trains. Therefore there is no prospect of it being used for the foreseeable future.

trellheim · 04-11-2016 01:34PM

Went to Heuston by train this morning. As someone mentioned further up, there is a curved platform as the line branches off for the Phoenix Park tunnel that you can see prior to entering Heuston. It makes logic to use this. Any walkway would have to be external to Heuston Station via the Car Park beside the station but that is achievable

Done to death on the thread, not viable currently , have a read back to see some of the issues !

My opinion is there might be scope for a couple of crossovers and an exit out to Coynyngham Road but the sheer hike from platform 10 back to to LUAS or Bus makes it absolutely unworkable as is.

sheff the ref · 04-11-2016 03:01PM

trellheim wrote: »

Done to death on the thread, not viable currently , have a read back to see some of the issues !

My opinion is there might be scope for a couple of crossovers and an exit out to Coynyngham Road but the sheer hike from platform 10 back to to LUAS or Bus makes it absolutely unworkable as is.

There can be significant walks between platforms in Central London!

n97 mini · 06-11-2016 06:18PM

sheff the ref wrote: »

There can be significant walks between platforms in Central London!

Indeed. Some of the Crossrail platforms are so long they're accessible from two separate stations!

cowboyjoe · 08-11-2016 05:02PM

Transport for Ireland have announced that services via PPT are scheduled to begin on Monday 21 November. "rail services via Phoenix Pk Tunnel are planned to commence on Monday 21 Nov. @IrishRail will announce full details soon".

Idbatterim · 08-11-2016 07:10PM

just looking at google maps satellite view there, they could easily get to platform ten. one of the platforms out of heuston already runs half way there, simply build an enclosed skywalk the rest of the way, with a travellator in it ideally...

aodh_rua · 08-11-2016 08:38PM

cowboyjoe wrote: »

Transport for Ireland have announced that services via PPT are scheduled to begin on Monday 21 November. "rail services via Phoenix Pk Tunnel are planned to commence on Monday 21 Nov. @IrishRail will announce full details soon".

Where did you see this? I don't see anything on their Twitter or website.

Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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