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HDMI to IPTV converter

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  • #2
    beardybrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,935 ✭✭✭beardybrewer


    What content is it you want to stream? Give an example scenario.

    If you want to record and stream content from services such as Netflix you might consider PlayOn.


  • #3
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    beardybrewer wrote: »
    What content is it you want to stream? Give an example scenario.

    If you want to record and stream content from services such as Netflix you might consider PlayOn.

    As mentioned above a blue ray disc or STB output, to be viewable by any device on the LAN.


  • #4
    beardybrewer
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    I'd look into streaming a bluray disc from your home PC/laptop to your TV.

    http://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/play-movies-by-rigging-up-tv-wireless.html


  • #5
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    I know what you mean, it's an interesting idea but I wonder could the same be achieved by making the channels available over tvheadend, and then using a bluray drive which could be mounted over the network, and be played from the different devices? Rather than investing in the IPTV system to create channels.


    I have used an iptv system in th0m0nd p4rk (just so that doesn't show up in google) and it in my opinion would really only be suitable if you had several sets of screens that you wanted to keep in sync, with the same content. It would be good to have a blu ray player channel available on all devices though, or even the sky box as a channel available over kodi, by using iptv.

    are you 100% sure you would be able to achieve some level of functionality that couldn't be matched in a simpler way?


  • #6
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    I know what you mean, it's an interesting idea but I wonder could the same be achieved by making the channels available over tvheadend, and then using a bluray drive which could be mounted over the network, and be played from the different devices? Rather than investing in the IPTV system to create channels.


    I have used an iptv system in th0m0nd p4rk (just so that doesn't show up in google) and it in my opinion would really only be suitable if you had several sets of screens that you wanted to keep in sync, with the same content. It would be good to have a blu ray player channel available on all devices though, or even the sky box as a channel available over kodi, by using iptv.

    Essentially that is what I would like to achieve.
    are you 100% sure you would be able to achieve some level of functionality that couldn't be matched in a simpler way?

    No :)
    But I have not found one.

    Suggestions very welcome ;)

    I already have a tvheadend system set up with some tuners so all devices on LAN can access them, and also access the central storage space which holds the recordings from all devices.

    If I could cheaply convert the HDMI out to an IPTV stream then it would be easy to integrate it into the tvheadend system.


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  • #7
    Johnboy1951
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    beardybrewer wrote: »
    I'd look into streaming a bluray disc from your home PC/laptop to your TV.

    http://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/play-movies-by-rigging-up-tv-wireless.html

    That assumes a file stored on a PC ........ not a live event from an STB out the HDMI socket, or a BD disc played from an external player, again through the HDMI connection.


  • #8
    beardybrewer
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    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    That assumes a file stored on a PC ........ not a live event from an STB out the HDMI socket, or a BD disc played from an external player, again through the HDMI connection.

    Yep, I was thinking discs only and using something like this on your PC/laptop:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-BC-12D2HT-Blu-ray-Combo-Drive/dp/B00F0SQL6O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478185364&sr=8-1&keywords=pc+bluray


  • #9
    frozenfrozen
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    I still haven't been able to find anything affordable as a hdmi box but I have come across expensive options like http://justaddpower.com/residential-implementation.html there must be a whitebox version of this hardware?

    I was also thinking along the lines of something like a blackmagic capture card, with something able to send that over the network, but I can't find anything along those lines.

    there are lots of hdmi over CAT options but they are not IP based, they just send the info over cat cable, so totally useless in this regard but it makes searching for hdmi over ip products annoying as they are often lumped together.


    have you had any luck?


  • #10
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    I still haven't been able to find anything affordable as a hdmi box but I have come across expensive options like http://justaddpower.com/residential-implementation.html there must be a whitebox version of this hardware?

    I was also thinking along the lines of something like a blackmagic capture card, with something able to send that over the network, but I can't find anything along those lines.

    there are lots of hdmi over CAT options but they are not IP based, they just send the info over cat cable, so totally useless in this regard but it makes searching for hdmi over ip products annoying as they are often lumped together.


    have you had any luck?

    I have had no luck finding anything that would suit my (near empty) pocket :(
    I did find similar items to those I listed in the first post ...
    http://www.cypeurope.com/store/store/app/product/IP-6000TX
    but that seems to be a TX & Rx also.

    Anything I found seemed to be aimed mostly at the pro market and not for a 'dabbler' like me. :(

    The $200 unit from AliExpress is the cheapest I found.

    I even considered HDMI->VGA->IP but that did not work out any cheaper and would have problems sending audio.


  • #11
    frozenfrozen
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    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I have had no luck finding anything that would suit my (near empty) pocket :(
    I did find similar items to those I listed in the first post ...
    http://www.cypeurope.com/store/store/app/product/IP-6000TX
    but that seems to be a TX & Rx also.

    Anything I found seemed to be aimed mostly at the pro market and not for a 'dabbler' like me. :(

    The $200 unit from AliExpress is the cheapest I found.

    I even considered HDMI->VGA->IP but that did not work out any cheaper and would have problems sending audio.

    I had a look at the system in th0m0nd p4rk again, it is "mediastar evolution" which I can't even find a price for online.. so it's probably if you have to ask you can't afford it territory :(http://www.cabletime.com/products/mediastar/hd-encoder-785/

    401356.jpg

    Would it be possible to use a capture card, and then using VLC broadcast that input over the network? That could be a very low cost option if it worked


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  • #12
    Johnboy1951
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    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    I had a look at the system in th0m0nd p4rk again, it is "mediastar evolution" which I can't even find a price for online.. so it's probably if you have to ask you can't afford it territory :(http://www.cabletime.com/products/mediastar/hd-encoder-785/

    [IMG]http://[/img]www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=401356&stc=1&d=1478951942

    That would seem most likely :D
    Would it be possible to use a capture card, and then using VLC broadcast that input over the network? That could be a very low cost option if it worked

    A capture card that takes HDMI as input and broadcasts on the LAN?
    Essentially that is what the devices linked to do, no?

    While considering this, I found another use for it, if I ever solve it.
    Eir sports is available from satellite if a Sky +HD box is used and the card paired to it.
    It would be nice to be able to watch a sports channel on a laptop or tablet or secondary TV, while the main TV is in use by someone else.
    It is not possible to drag a satellite connected coax cable about the place along with a huge Sky box, so something like what we are discussing would serve that purpose well also.


  • #13
    niallb
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    I've done this the other way around a few times - taking an IP stream from a camera and playing it from a Raspberry Pi into a UHF modulator so that it can be picked up as an analog channel through the building, and years ago I did the same at home with a Video recorder which had an RF output. The video recorder also had two SCART inputs which we combined with DVD and PC output for XBMC.

    If you can get a HDMI input capture card and already have a TVHeadend server, I'd be looking at going that way.
    VLC is great, and you could even play the VLC to tvheadend and let it retransmit it back out in a form that would be picked up by any receivers you already have.


  • #14
    frozenfrozen
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    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    A capture card that takes HDMI as input and broadcasts on the LAN?
    Essentially that is what the devices linked to do, no?
    correct but they do it as a standalone device. They get an ip address and broadcast the 'channels' themselves. Whereas with a capture card that would need to go into a pc running vlc, vlc would take the input from the capture card, which would then broadcast it. Same thing really, I might have misunderstood what you meant though!
    While considering this, I found another use for it, if I ever solve it.
    Eir sports is available from satellite if a Sky +HD box is used and the card paired to it.
    It would be nice to be able to watch a sports channel on a laptop or tablet or secondary TV, while the main TV is in use by someone else.
    It is not possible to drag a satellite connected coax cable about the place along with a huge Sky box, so something like what we are discussing would serve that purpose well also.
    you could put your sky card on a card server and have tvheadend decode that, not sure if this post goes against charter so I won't name any of the technologies required to do that. But essentially your encrypted channels could be made available the same as FTA satellite channels do through tvheadend.

    But if you wanted to not break the terms of your sky license, then the iptv system would definitely solve that issue of wanting to watch encrypted channels on a tablet.

    could HDCP become an issue.. with the likes of a bluray player for example


    Found this, http://blog.danman.eu/reverse-engineering-lenkeng-hdmi-over-ip-extender/

    Looked around a bit for sending a hdmi capture card out over tvheadend, lots of people asking but no answers I could find.


  • #15
    Johnboy1951
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    If a 'stand alone' device was added to the network, the client devices on the network, all using Kodi, could easily use the IPTV Simple plugin to get those and integrate them into the TV listing from TVheadend server.
    Alternatively tvheadend could catch the new IPTV data and make it available along with the other channels. The device could even be added via another NIC to the server without ever going on the LAN until tvheadend had 'done its thing'.

    In other words I feel sure there are options once the IPTV was generated in the first place. ;)

    The option of using 'means which cannot be discussed here' is that Sky require their card to be paired with a HD box to allow decryption of the HD signal. The best that can otherwise be seen is the SD channel. (if I understand your reference)
    Of course I could always forget about being legal and get all channels illegally, but that is not my intention.

    I am legally entitled to view these channels, but I want to be able to do that in a manner that is convenient to me.

    Anyway, that eir sports thing is just another possibility if I can find a suitable device at a price I am prepared to pay.

    The question of DRM/HDCP is very pertinent.
    Some of those devices (at least the ones with TX & RX parts) do comply IIRC. As I have not found a suitable single device in my price range I have not been able to check out the DRM/HDCP situation unfortunately.

    I have read that danman blog and other related pages.
    I cannot presently recall why I passed on it now ...... here is a newer version

    https://blog.danman.eu/new-version-of-lenkeng-hdmi-over-ip-extender-lkv373a/


  • #16
    Johnboy1951
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    I read danman's blog again, and came away rather less than certain about what can be achieved using what devices and software.

    It would appear that what is suggested is the following

    1 x 2 HDMI Splitter (removes HDCP and CEC from stream)
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004F9LVXC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
    ~€26

    HDMI Extender
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/191750919298?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=490770381286&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT#shpCntId
    ~€40

    along with some python scripts and VLC.

    Any comments?
    Am I making it more difficult than it is?


  • #17
    frozenfrozen
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    I'm not sure I would go with the hdmi extender the more I look at it, I may be missing it but what is the situation with picture quality and framerate etc? It would be fine on a tablet probably but if it was to be used on a big tv it could be fairly disappointing

    a capture card could be a more straightforward path to good picture quality. As well as maybe being able to control the device connected via CEC if it was a bluray player or something, just a thought.

    then again the problem of hdcp comes up again for the capture card. which is solved by him in that method


  • #18
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    I'm not sure I would go with the hdmi extender the more I look at it, I may be missing it but what is the situation with picture quality and framerate etc? It would be fine on a tablet probably but if it was to be used on a big tv it could be fairly disappointing

    a capture card could be a more straightforward path to good picture quality. As well as maybe being able to control the device connected via CEC if it was a bluray player or something, just a thought.

    then again the problem of hdcp comes up again for the capture card. which is solved by him in that method

    The extender seems to be capable of 1920x1080 @60fps so it should be well capable.


  • #19
    Nelbert
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    Have you considered a HDMI modulator? Essentially turn the sky box hdmi output into a dvb-t signal (limited to two channel audio on the lower end modulators). Then plug that into your tvheadend setup via a dvb-t tuner (which you may already have for soarview channels).
    Just appears as another channel in tv headend then....

    I'm going to be doing this (probably with 2 sky boxes) and using the existing coax runs to maintain remote control usage for the sky boxes via tv link / sky eye thingys.


  • #20
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Nelbert wrote: »
    Have you considered a HDMI modulator? Essentially turn the sky box hdmi output into a dvb-t signal (limited to two channel audio on the lower end modulators). Then plug that into your tvheadend setup via a dvb-t tuner (which you may already have for soarview channels).
    Just appears as another channel in tv headend then....

    I'm going to be doing this (probably with 2 sky boxes) and using the existing coax runs to maintain remote control usage for the sky boxes via tv link / sky eye thingys.

    This the device type you mean?
    http://www.freetv.ie/hdmi-modulator/


  • #21
    Nelbert
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    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    This the device type you mean?
    http://www.freetv.ie/hdmi-modulator/

    Yep, there is a triax version for around £120 on Amazon from memory.
    A bit of a long way round but end result is the same.
    It's my long term plan as regards tv distribution in the house.

    Ones on eBay that take two HDMI inputs.... satlink brand which I've to do so research on before deciding on.


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  • #22
    Johnboy1951
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    Thanks.

    Please keep me updated on your research.

    I still hope to find something in my price range that will provide the function for one HDMI output.


  • #23
    Johnboy1951
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    Nelbert wrote: »
    Yep, there is a triax version for around £120 on Amazon from memory.
    A bit of a long way round but end result is the same.
    It's my long term plan as regards tv distribution in the house.

    Ones on eBay that take two HDMI inputs.... satlink brand which I've to do so research on before deciding on.

    I can see that from your use case it is worth the cost, but the cost/benefit for my use case is sadly unacceptable.

    I never had a Sky+HD box (there was no HD when I last had Sky :D).
    I see the Sky box has an 'RF' output ...... can this be received by a DVB-T tuner if connected via coax?


  • #24
    Nelbert
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    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I can see that from your use case it is worth the cost, but the cost/benefit for my use case is sadly unacceptable.

    I never had a Sky+HD box (there was no HD when I last had Sky :D).
    I see the Sky box has an 'RF' output ...... can this be received by a DVB-T tuner if connected via coax?

    No it outputs analogue so not HD and not even tunable with a DVB-T tuner. I'll be using the RF for the remote controls though.

    I highly doubt you'll find what you want for much cheaper, but if you do please let me know as I'm only using DVB-T as the workaround to get HDMI into tvheadend.


  • #25
    Johnboy1951
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    Just dropping a few links into this post for future reference.
    I will add to it as appropriate.

    HDMI to DVB-T Modulators

    Edision HDMI Modulator

    https://www.dvbmarket.com/modulators/edision-hdmi-modulator-single-dvb-t
    €165 +VAT

    http://www.freetv.ie/hdmi-modulator/
    €189 +VAT

    ####

    SATLINK WS 6990 (both HDMI & AV inputs)

    https://satlink-uk.com/products/satlink-modulator-dvb-t-ws-6990?variant=7643693953
    £189+VAT
    http://www.ebay.ie/sch/Signal-Finders/67882/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=SATLINK+WS+6990&_sop=15
    €170 and up

    ###

    Technomate TM-RF HD HDMI RF Modulator

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Technomate-TM-RF-HD-HDMI-Modulator/dp/B01HOZKVFW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483109080&sr=8-1&keywords=HDMI+to+DVB-T+modulator
    £120
    (Includes VAT & free UK delivery)

    ######

    HDMI to IPTV Converters

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H-264-HDMI-Video-Encoder-via-http-rtp-rtsp-to-IPTV-Live-Stream-Broadcast-device-/161498768770
    $230
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HDMI-IPTV-Encoder-Support-RTMP-and-Onvif/32563521435.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.55.95HMDN
    $188
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/FMUSER-FBE200-H-264-LAN-Broadcast-Encoding-Streaming/dp/B01N5K5AD6/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1483109416&sr=8-8&keywords=HDMI+Video+Encoder
    £186
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Broadcast-Teaching-Replacing-Conference-Recording/dp/B01KDLV8GK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483109416&sr=8-1&keywords=HDMI+Video+Encoder
    £189


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  • #26
    Johnboy1951
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    The latest HDMI Sender being referred to is a LKV373A-V3-0
    Approx €35 for the sender unit.

    It seems this sender coupled with a HDMI splitter unit which strips out the HDCP content is a viable combination to feed the IP stream to tvheadend.

    Danman's blog is update to April 2017
    https://blog.danman.eu/new-version-of-lenkeng-hdmi-over-ip-extender-lkv373a/


  • #27
    emaherx
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    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    The latest HDMI Sender being referred to is a LKV373A-V3-0
    Approx €35 for the sender unit.

    It seems this sender coupled with a HDMI splitter unit which strips out the HDCP content is a viable combination to feed the IP stream to tvheadend.

    Danman's blog is update to April 2017
    https://blog.danman.eu/new-version-of-lenkeng-hdmi-over-ip-extender-lkv373a/

    Have got one of these, or are you planning on getting one Johnboy1951?

    I just ordered one from eBay. I was planning on a DVB modulator but at less then 30 euros I thought it was worth a try.


  • #28
    Johnboy1951
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    emaherx wrote: »
    Have got one of these, or are you planning on getting one Johnboy1951?

    I just ordered one from eBay. I was planning on a DVB modulator but at less then 30 euros I thought it was worth a try.

    I have one ordered, but it has not yet arrived (China post I believe).

    It was due at the latest tomorrow ...... we'll see.

    I'll post again if I get it and try it.


  • #29
    emaherx
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    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I have one ordered, but it has not yet arrived (China post I believe).

    It was due at the latest tomorrow ...... we'll see.

    I'll post again if I get it and try it.

    Well let us know how you get on. You will be a few weeks ahead of me :)


  • #30
    Johnboy1951
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    emaherx wrote: »
    Well let us know how you get on. You will be a few weeks ahead of me :)

    It arrived today.
    I did a quick test with it using as source an Ariva 120 which I guess would not have DRM applied.

    udp://@239.255.42.42:5004 in VLC gave me the TV channel from the Ariva.

    The resolution is not right as reported by DanMan but I got no further than the above as yet.

    Over the next couple of days I hope to do some more detailed tests both with the Ariva and with a Sky HD box.

    Hopefully I will be able to get into the settings and change it from multicast to unicast and set up Kodi to distribute the channel on the LAN amongst the other LiveTV channels (possibly using IPTVSimple)

    I am happy the device is working :D:D
    Up to me now what I get it to do ;)


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  • #31
    Johnboy1951
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    OK, I could not wait :D

    I had also bought an iSolem 1 > 2 HDMI converter which strips out the DHCP/DRM, so I hooked up both devices to the Sky+HD box with the eir sports card.

    Yes!

    I am playing, as I write this, BT Sport 1 HD on my PC using VLC.

    I can get this far without doing any firmware change or other changes.

    To get the correct resolution and other tweaks I expect to have to change the firmware.

    Even as it is I am happy with it. :D

    Tweaks can be applied when I get the urge :)


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