Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion

dastardly00 · 27-10-2016 08:51AM

I'm heading to NYC for a few days. Are there any cool bike cafes/shops worth a visit in Manhattan?

tomasrojo · 27-10-2016 10:09AM

Incredible drop in traffic density between yesterday and today. Is that mostly down to the secondary-school-teacher strike?

CramCycle · 27-10-2016 10:12AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Incredible drop in traffic density between yesterday and today. Is that mostly down to the secondary-school-teacher strike?

Thursdays are always quieter but the main drop would have to be the strikers. I passed a few schools with one or two placards on the way in. Did not seem like the most enthusiastic of strikeforces.

ThisRegard · 27-10-2016 10:16AM

3 at my local secondary school, looking pretty miserable it had to be said. They were outnumbered by signs and placards by about 5-1.

Chips Lovell · 27-10-2016 10:17AM

Noticed that too. I can't believe secondary schools would have that much of an impact on traffic.

tomasrojo · 27-10-2016 10:23AM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Noticed that too. I can't believe secondary schools would have that much of an impact on traffic.

Me neither. Makes me think that strategies to reduce the dependency on private transport for the school run would pay big dividends. What those strategies might be, I guess other countries have some answers already.

seamus · 27-10-2016 10:24AM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Noticed that too. I can't believe secondary schools would have that much of an impact on traffic.

Parents would be more likely to send their kids to far away secondary schools than primary schools. Alma mater, etc.

Didn't notice any difference myself, it was worse than yesterday. I think the N11 must just be a disaster every day of the year.

Chips Lovell · 27-10-2016 10:29AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Me neither. Makes me think that strategies to reduce the dependency on private transport for the school run would pay big dividends. What those strategies might be, I guess other countries have some answers already.

I think we need to be tough on people carriers and the causes of people carriers.

Lumen · 27-10-2016 10:32AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Me neither. Makes me think that strategies to reduce the dependency on private transport for the school run would pay big dividends. What those strategies might be, I guess other countries have some answers already.

Sir! Sir! I know!

How about school selection by catchment area rather than category of imaginary friends?

ThisRegard · 27-10-2016 10:36AM

Lumen wrote: »

How about school selection by catchment area rather than category of imaginary friends?

Doesn't always work out. Our closest primary school for example is only a couple of minutes away but we're outside the catchment area. There's lots of similar situations around Dublin.

tomasrojo · 27-10-2016 10:38AM

I'm not getting into this, but I'll liberally thank all the best suggestions!

Lumen · 27-10-2016 10:53AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Doesn't always work out. Our closest primary school for example is only a couple of minutes away but we're outside the catchment area. There's lots of similar situations around Dublin.

Right, because (I'm guessing) the catchment area is based on parish boundaries established at a time before anyone currently on earth was born.

The solution is to design catchment areas based on population densities and sane transport options. So a school could extend it's catchment along a bus route or protected cycle lane to increase the proportion of pupils to arriving by something other than car.

The mad thing is that this is in everybody's interest, apart from the bible bashers who want to discriminate in order to maintain their weakening grip on the psyche of the nation's children.

ThisRegard · 27-10-2016 11:01AM

Lumen wrote: »

Right, because (I'm guessing) the catchment area is based on parish boundaries established at a time before anyone currently on earth was born.

Exactly. I was going to add we were outside of the catchment area due to some imaginary lines but thought that goes without saying. The bishop who's basically in charge of the school was approached to try relax it a bit but he basically became more militant about protecting the parish. So as it is at the moment, someone 10/15k away from the school gets priority over someone 1/2k away. It's ridiculous.

ford2600 · 27-10-2016 11:25AM

Lumen wrote: »

Right, because (I'm guessing) the catchment area is based on parish boundaries established at a time before anyone currently on earth was born.

The solution is to design catchment areas based on population densities and sane transport options. So a school could extend it's catchment along a bus route or protected cycle lane to increase the proportion of pupils to arriving by something other than car.

The mad thing is that this is in everybody's interest, apart from the bible bashers who want to discriminate in order to maintain their weakening grip on the psyche of the nation's children.

My brother did a lot of work for religious orders with regard to mapping their property in relation to payments for raping children.

Almost inclusively the head honcho was north of 70 with God on their side. Not a great demographic to make a reasonable argument for change. Usually very capable also.

A stubborn unencumbered land owner is a very difficult person to deal with in my unfortunate experience.

LollipopJimmy · 27-10-2016 11:29AM

Finally new wheels, collecting them tomorrow. Serious shortage of wheels arounf the €500 mark with Shimano freehub. Got a pair of Mavic Ksyrium Elites so no more getting shouted at by the crazy receptionist for parking outside the building and no more running for cardio!

Rogue-Trooper · 27-10-2016 12:39PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Finally new wheels, collecting them tomorrow.

Weepsie wrote: »

500 quid wheels when winter is coming? I'd have been buying some winter wheels that can take a beating, are quickly available and wait until the spring for the good ones.

Doctor Bob · 27-10-2016 12:41PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Noticed that too. I can't believe secondary schools would have that much of an impact on traffic.

I don't think it's just the school run that's missing from today's traffic; I'd imagine quite a few people took the day off work to stay at home, even those who wouldn't drive to a school.

tomasrojo · 27-10-2016 12:52PM

People might be taking today and tomorrow off too, to make an extra long weekend? Given that some of them have to stay at home to mind children today.

Darkglasses · 27-10-2016 12:54PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

People might be taking today and tomorrow off too, to make an extra long weekend? Given that some of them have to stay at home to mind children today.

That's certainly what I've done :pac:

cdaly_ · 27-10-2016 12:55PM

Rogue-Trooper wrote: »

You've got your Halloween costume sorted I see...

LollipopJimmy · 27-10-2016 02:15PM

Weepsie wrote: »

I guess they won't melt.

Ruiner

Chuchote · 27-10-2016 04:27PM

seamus wrote: »

Parents would be more likely to send their kids to far away secondary schools than primary schools. Alma mater, etc.

Didn't notice any difference myself, it was worse than yesterday. I think the N11 must just be a disaster every day of the year.

It's actually not a great idea to send a kid to a faraway school; all his friends are likely to be local to the school, and you'll spend all your time driving to collect him if in a car, or cycling over and embarrassing him if on a bike. (Not that the bike is per se embarrassing :eek: but the sight of a parent not concealed in a car is.)

Lumen · 27-10-2016 04:38PM

Chuchote wrote: »

It's actually not a great idea to send a kid to a faraway school; all his friends are likely to be local to the school, and you'll spend all your time driving to collect him if in a car, or cycling over and embarrassing him if on a bike. (Not that the bike is per se embarrassing :eek: but the sight of a parent not concealed in a car is.)

Ah here, how are you supposed to eventually persuade them to move out unless you sow the seeds of perennial embarrassment?

Chuchote · 27-10-2016 04:41PM

Lumen wrote: »

Ah here, how are you supposed to eventually persuade them to move out unless you sow the seeds of perennial embarrassment?

But remember that George Hook's first transport was as a passenger in his parents' tandem's sidecar. These things can backfire.

Fian · 27-10-2016 04:47PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/man-found-guilty-of-cycle-by-murder-in-co-kildare-1.2845675

But did they also prosecute him for not paying road tax joe, that's the real question!

Fian · 27-10-2016 04:56PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

People might be taking today and tomorrow off too, to make an extra long weekend? Given that some of them have to stay at home to mind children today.

I really don't get this. I have three kids in secondary school, all at home today. As it happens my wife job-shares so she is not in work today anyway. If she had been working today there is not the slightest chance either of us would have taken the day off. They are in secondary school, not junior infants, they are perfectly capable of looking after themselves for the day.

Ok granted we have one in transition year and another in fifth year. If we had one child who would be on their own and that child was in first year, maybe we would think about taking a day off. Don't actually think we would o so having thought about it. But that must be a tiny minority of situations.

I always figured national school teachers are the ones with leverage with regard to preventing other people from going to work, for secondary they have the leverage that parents really care about the negative impact on exam students but the work thing I would tend to discount. Secondary school kids can mind themselves for the day surely?

Sorry Off topic for this forum probably.but this is the general thread.

Chuchote · 27-10-2016 05:07PM

Not to mention that surely parents can pool resources and a bunch of kids can go to one house if their parents have to work.

tomasrojo · 27-10-2016 05:23PM

I do think that a twelve-year-old, on average, can look after themself(*). But I think legally someone has to be at home with one?

(*)"itself" seems a bit weird. Singular they it is.

magicbastarder · 27-10-2016 05:32PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/man-found-guilty-of-cycle-by-murder-in-co-kildare-1.2845675

Another example of outrageous cyclist behaviour which would be eliminated by mandatory reg plates and hi vis.

Chuchote · 27-10-2016 05:43PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/man-found-guilty-of-cycle-by-murder-in-co-kildare-1.2845675

Another example of outrageous cyclist behaviour which would be eliminated by mandatory reg plates and hi vis.

Oddly, they don't mention the make and model of the bike. Oddly, too, The Irish Times apparently can't spell 'premeditated'.

Bloody horrible for the victim's family, to be more serious. Poor little guy.

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