UK Votes to leave EU

steddyeddy · 12-10-2016 02:15PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

lol, they lost. Accept it and move on. So many people desperate to ignore the will of the British people.

I've accepted it. I'm not ignoring it, I'm ridiculing it.

FrancieBrady · 12-10-2016 04:32PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

lol, they lost. Accept it and move on. So many people desperate to ignore the will of the British people.

It is not up to us to accept it. This is a country affected by an idiotic decision.

steddyeddy · 12-10-2016 04:37PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is not up to us to accept it. This is a country affected by an idiotic decision.

Yea we accept it but we think it's stupid.

wes · 12-10-2016 04:39PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

lol, they lost. Accept it and move on. So many people desperate to ignore the will of the British people.

The British people will have to accept that membership had benefits, and that they will have to pay quite handsomely if they wish to avail of any of them, all the while having no say in how everything works.

Britain has been coddled by the EU for far to long, and with them out, the concerns of the littler Englanders are no longer our concern.

IMHO, the sooner Brexit is done, the better for all involved.

Iwasfrozen · 12-10-2016 04:44PM

I don't understand May's reasoning for setting a timeline to activate article 50.

IMO her first mistake since taking office.

steddyeddy · 12-10-2016 04:46PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I don't understand May's reasoning for setting a timeline to activate article 50.

IMO her first mistake since taking office.

Market uncertainty. If she didn't set a timeline investors would be less likely to live up to their name.

FrancieBrady · 12-10-2016 04:47PM

wes wrote: »

The British people will have to accept that membership had benefits, and that they will have to pay quite handsomely if they wish to avail of any of them, all the while having no say in how everything works.

Britain has been coddled by the EU for far to long, and with them out, the concerns of the littler Englanders are no longer our concern.

IMHO, the sooner Brexit is done, the better for all involved.

My real interest is how it will affect us here.
I think it will be pivotal in changing attitudes north and south, it cannot help but do it on a whole host of issues, the border, farming etc.
I said it before and I will say it again, the northern Unionist farmer is not going to be too happy with Arlene and Co in a few years when the lip service from May about the union and maintaining the status quo has died away on the wind and the harsh reality of life outside the EU begins to bite.

Chips Lovell · 12-10-2016 04:48PM

She can't postpone it indefinitely. It was what people voted for after all.

FrancieBrady · 12-10-2016 05:01PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I don't understand May's reasoning for setting a timeline to activate article 50.

IMO her first mistake since taking office.

Why would she wait, sure isn't there nothing to be worried about according to some here. Tis a wonder they didn't leave years ago.

Iwasfrozen · 12-10-2016 05:06PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would she wait, sure isn't there nothing to be worried about according to some here. Tis a wonder they didn't leave years ago.

To force concessions from Europe. The stalemate was not in their favor either.

Chips Lovell · 12-10-2016 05:07PM

Europe isn't going to negotiate until Britain triggers Article 50. Waiting would have just delayed any negotiation.

Iwasfrozen · 12-10-2016 05:12PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Europe isn't going to negotiate until Britain triggers Article 50. Waiting would have just delayed any negotiation.

That's my point. The stalemate was hurting the EU too. I believe Britain should have held out until Europe gave in.

Chips Lovell · 12-10-2016 05:15PM

How could maintaining the status quo hurt the EU in any way. Nothing changed.

steddyeddy · 12-10-2016 05:15PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

To force concessions from Europe. The stalemate was not in their favor either.

And Europe didn't cave.

12-10-2016 05:16PM

What 'caving' could the EU have done?

I wouldn't be applauding them for 'not caving' as far as I can see there was (and still is) no option to do so.

First Up · 12-10-2016 05:16PM

Iwasfrozen wrote:

That's my point. The stalemate was hurting the EU too. I believe Britain should have held out until Europe gave in.

Held out on what? Gave in on what?

Zubeneschamali · 12-10-2016 05:16PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

IMO her first mistake since taking office.

Didn't take long.

Zubeneschamali · 12-10-2016 05:20PM

First Up wrote: »

Held out on what? Gave in on what?

I gather he means started negotiations before article 50 was triggered. Then the UK could put off article 50 and leaving indefinitely while they pretended to negotiate leaving.

Which is why the EU are not biting.

steddyeddy · 12-10-2016 05:32PM

What people are forgetting is that Cameron already tried to negotiate for limited border control before the referendum. No concessions were given then so the leave voters will have to ask themselves what's changed since then.

First Up · 12-10-2016 05:34PM

Zubeneschamali wrote:

Which is why the EU are not biting.

Nothing to bite about. The "negotiations" are about how the UK extracts itself from the EU and the terms under which the UK will interact with the EU after it leaves.

That doesn't arise until Article 50 is activated. In the meantime, there is nothing to discuss.

Chips Lovell · 12-10-2016 05:36PM

The other thing to bear in mind is that Cameron said Article 50 would be triggered immediately. Waiting till March is already a significant delay on what was promised to British voters.

Nate--IRL-- · 12-10-2016 05:40PM

First Up wrote: »

Nothing to bite about. The "negotiations" are about how the UK extracts itself from the EU and the terms under which the UK will interact with the EU after it leaves.

That doesn't arise until Article 50 is activated. In the meantime, there is nothing to discuss.

Nope, A50 is simply the bit in Bold - the other negotiations are not part of A50.

The Deal is, Exit first - discuss on-going relationship after. That's all that on the table with A50 from the EU.

Nate

First Up · 12-10-2016 05:40PM

Jep Gambardella wrote:

The other thing to bear in mind is that Cameron said Article 50 would be triggered immediately. Waiting till March is already a significant delay on what was promised to British voters.

I can appreciate that the UK needs time to prepare for what will happen after Article 50 is triggered because once it is, all hell is going to break loose.

Fratton Fred · 12-10-2016 05:42PM

wes wrote: »

The British people will have to accept that membership had benefits, and that they will have to pay quite handsomely if they wish to avail of any of them, all the while having no say in how everything works.

Britain has been coddled by the EU for far to long, and with them out, the concerns of the littler Englanders are no longer our concern.

IMHO, the sooner Brexit is done, the better for all involved.

in what way has Britain been coddled.

Maybe you could give us a few examples of where Ireland has been treated less favourably than the UK

First Up · 12-10-2016 05:56PM

Nate--IRL-- wrote:

Nope, A50 is simply the bit in Bold - the other negotiations are not part of A50.

I didn't say they were but they need to be conducted concurrently if the UK is to have a working relationship with the EU the day after they leave.

Otherwise the default terms are WTO MFN, which is a long long way from the dreamland occupied by the Brexiteers.

Nate--IRL-- · 12-10-2016 06:00PM

First Up wrote: »

I didn't say they were but they need to be conducted concurrently if the UK is to have a working relationship with the EU the day after they leave.

Otherwise the default terms are WTO MFN, which is a long long way from the dreamland occupied by the Brexiteers.

I don't think they can be concurrent, any trade deal with the UK will take years longer than the A 50 negotiations, such is the nature of trade deals.

I also half recall reading that the EU can't actually negotiate with the UK, re. trade, until it exits.

Nate

First Up · 12-10-2016 06:10PM

Nate--IRL-- wrote:

I don't think they can be concurrent, any trade deal with the UK will take years longer than the A 50 negotiations, such is the nature of trade deals.

There has to be an arrangement in place for how trade is processed the day after the UK leaves the single market.

The UK also has to agree how it will trade with the rest of the world they day after Brexit. That won't wait.

Nate--IRL-- · 12-10-2016 06:14PM

First Up wrote: »

There has to be an arrangement in place for how trade is processed the day after the UK leaves the single market.

The UK also has to agree how it will trade with the rest of the world they day after Brexit. That won't wait.

Agreed - by default it is WTO rules. However any other trade arrangement is outside the Scope of A50 discussions.

Nate

daithijjj · 12-10-2016 07:50PM

Peregrinus wrote: »

The EU is already India's largest trading partner. About 13% of India's trade with the EU is with the UK so, when you separate out the UK and the EU-27, the EU will still be much the more significant trading partner for India. In fact, the UK is not even India's biggest trading partner among EU member states; it comes third, after Germany and Belgium.

Yes, post-Brexit UK will want a trade deal with India and, yes, India will be interested. But India will be more interested in a trade deal with the EU and - as with the US - negotiations for such a deal have been under way for some years now. So, given its head start and its much greater importance to India, odds are that the EU trade deal will be concluded before any separate UK trade deal.

I simply used India as an example of size. Maybe i should have just said 80% of the world is outside the EU and most of it is growing faster than the EU.

Irish Praetorian · 12-10-2016 08:07PM

Can someone explain to me what exactly the 'great trade opportunities' are outside of the EU that the UK does not undertake at present? So far all I've got is fishing which seems reasonably straight forward which should mean great news for the 20,000 people and 0.075 of GDP it takes in - are there any other? Presumably there is some kind of trade opportunity that I'm missing which is somehow predicated on being outside the EU-market area AND outside other market areas. Someone clue me in.

UK Votes to leave EU

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