Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

blueser wrote: »

So much heartbreak in Croke Park down the years now. It's never going to happen, is it?

YES. IT. FCUKING. WILL.

blueser wrote: »

So much heartbreak in Croke Park down the years now. It's never going to happen, is it?

I wouldn`t say that.
Other than taking the chance with Hennelly for long kick outs today that really backfired, from all the finals this present crop of players have played in I thought the structure the last two games was the best I`ve seen.
Rochfort got the keeper call wrong, but other than that he has structured a serious team that if they can get their heads back into another go imo they are now a way more serious contenders than anytime under James Horan

What players are likely to call it quits now? A few of them are getting on in years. And what younger players are likely to come into the panel?

I live in a country where the Irish population is in double figures, so I find it hard to keep up with any team apart from the seniors.

charlie14 wrote: »

I wouldn`t say that.
Other than taking the chance with Hennelly for long kick outs today that really backfired, from all the finals this present crop of players have played in I thought the structure the last two games was the best I`ve seen.
Rochfort got the keeper call wrong, but other than that he has structured a serious team that if they can get their heads back into another go imo they are now a way more serious contenders than anytime under James Horan

Shattered for Mayo. Decision to play Hennelly will haunt Rochfort and his management team. The margins are so fine. Giving away two goals first day and then today 1-1 and a black card or whatever and still within a point. Feel gutted for the team. In the second half they just didn't get anyone on the ball in the last 30 metres just playing in front of the Dublin defence line where as Dublin threatened more with their subs introduction. Most teams playing Dublin seem to expend so much more of their game trying to stop them and can't get the desired offensive part of their own game going. Ref calls were mixed though thought that the tackle/foul on kevin Mclaughlin was at a pivotal time.

naughto wrote: »

Rumours are flying around that Henelly will start

God am I sorry I heard this f1yck me
So disappointed

corny wrote: »

Its no campaign. They're just churning out Brollys original thought. Thats what happens with these pundits. They just regurgitate the cliches and get paid for it. Tbf even impartial observers are clinging to the same thought. For a lad who talks nonsense with such frequency Brolly is unbelievably influential in this regard.

They're all full of ****e though. I'm no Keegan apologist but it was Connolly looking to upset him more often than not. One could say it worked too (something else thats been missed because Keegan had a ****e game).

Obviously a spill over from last year with Connolly. Anyone who saw his interview earlier in the year should know the score with him. He's intent on playing would be wind up merchants at their own game. No apologies for it apparently.

This is it exactly. Media wont refuse ink and some of the stuff wrote about players these days is pretty pathetic. Keegan to an extent is paying the price for Brolly and the fact the games are getting so much media coverage. He (Keegan) is a class player but has crossed the line and ANY player who does will be nailed in todays game. At the end of the day what Brolly, and others need to remember is these lads are our neighbours friends and family and deserve to be treated with a little more respect than they are. More focus needs to be on the referees not the players. And I am not one for banging on to much about referees but it is too hard for one man to cover Croke park. They get a different view than we do and believe me Croke park is a lonely place for a referee or player when things go pear shaped.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

What players are likely to call it quits now? A few of them are getting on in years. And what younger players are likely to come into the panel?

Every player on the field today still has a lot to offer to the panel. A few need to look at the contributions, not sure if that is right word but a few need to concentrate more on their game than wasting energy badgering the referee.

babybuilder wrote: »

Shattered for Mayo. Decision to play Hennelly will haunt Rochfort and his management team. The margins are so fine. Giving away two goals first day and then today 1-1 and a black card or whatever and still within a point. Feel gutted for the team. In the second half they just didn't get anyone on the ball in the last 30 metres just playing in front of the Dublin defence line where as Dublin threatened more with their subs introduction. Most teams playing Dublin seem to expend so much more of their game trying to stop them and can't get the desired offensive part of their own game going. Ref calls were mixed though thought that the tackle/foul on kevin Mclaughlin was at a pivotal time.

I am very disappointed for Mayo also, all genuine G.A.A. fans are. That was a crazy call to replace Clarke. You are right the margins are so fine a wicked bounce can win or lose a match. I agree Mayo had a few chances to get the ball in quicker but really only Durcan and I think Seamus O'S hit anything of note into A.O'S or Moran, the same way as Kilkenny slowed Dublin down when they had overlaps.

Mayo worked hard at trying to nullify the attacking threat Dublin have and it worked to a point. But how much of their own game was sacraficed? Going forward Mayo are in my opinion lethal, as good as Dublin but they stifle themselves. Keegan, Higgins, Durcan, Boyle, coming out of defence with defence are superb but not doing it enough. When they did today they hit 1..2. What I am saying is Mayo had the team today to be more attacking in how they played but called Dublin on to them and Costello and Brogan got the vital scores. Cillian O'Connor seemed to be carrying an injury?

I think the last tackle on McLoughlin was good. There was contact from behind ok but every tackle has some contact, I dont think it was a blatant push and the fact the ball squirted out gave the defender the benefit of the decision.

I thought Durcan was excellent today but his player got on the ball a fair bit also. Seamus O'Shea was very good today and I was delighted for him after the sh**e he took the last. Kevin McLoughlin I think was superb. If he got on the ball more in the second half Mayo, there could well have been a different result. His use of the ball was first class and he is a shoe in for All-Star. Close to man of the match

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Whoever made the Henelly decision should be hung, drawn and quartered for high treason.

From his first kick of the game, until the referee did what them management should have done, it was a complete disaster.

He probably should have been substituted at half time at the latest, but saying that any good management team will try and shake things up for a replay.
Management saw Dublin closing down short kick outs 2 weeks ago, and with hoe dangerous Dublins front 6 can be with pace look to go with Henelly for distance, win ball at midfield and put pressure directly on Dublin before their defensive screen got back. Ok it didn`t work out, but if it had, the management would be called geniuses at this stage.

charlie14 wrote: »

He probably should have been substituted at half time at the latest, but saying that any good management team will try and shake things up for a replay.
Management saw Dublin closing down short kick outs 2 weeks ago, and with hoe dangerous Dublins front 6 can be with pace look to go with Henelly for distance, win ball at midfield and put pressure directly on Dublin before their defensive screen got back. Ok it didn`t work out, but if it had, the management would be called geniuses at this stage.

Seriously? Seriously? It would be like Dublin not starting Cluxton.

Everyone knows the players, specifically the O'Sheas, were calling the shots this year, and Mayo has paid the price.

Rainman16 wrote: »

I think you should be firm and tell your son that he is not allowed to have a pet snake. He is not old enough to be able to look after it properly or to take on the responsibility. You are the boss here, you need to make sure your son knows that.

Who are you calling a snake?

statto25 wrote: »

Ah let him have the snake for feck sake!

Is it a snake or a sneak ?

do you think the o se's had a hand in the selection of hennelly?
Surely Rochford makes his own decisions

As a neutral, I was hoping for a Mayo win, but realistically, it wasnt going to happen.

They had as good a chance as they will ever get to win an AI first day out: Dublin were the poorest they have been in a long long time, but Mayo were still chasing the game. I will acknowledge that mayo had a 6 pt handicap as a result of the 2 OGs, but when Dublin didnt respond, mayo, for whatever reason, didnt go for the jugular. They laboured the whole way through, and a last gasp point got them the replay. Fair enough, they will battle to the end, no doubt about that, but they are seemingly unable to respond to changing scenarios within a game. If they pushed on the first day out found another 1 or 2%, they would have got the win.

As for today, it was clear that Dublins approach was much more agressive from the start. That was to be expected but they were still well away from their best. The Mayo goalkeeper experiment was a failure. Unable to win primary possesion, and even any secondary possesion wins were not very clean and they were pressurised all the way through.

They marking of the Dublin players was not as tight as it was first day out. Probably gave Dublin an extra step of space to be a bit more clinical.

The referee undoubtedly had a part to play. I have no real issues with the big calls he made (black cards). But what I did have an issue with was his overuse of the whistle. There was no real flow to the game.

Finally (Mayo fans - look away now!): talk of curses, bad luck, pishogs, whatever. Its worn out. My sympathies to the Mayo fans who follow their team every year, but my sympathies to the Mayo players is wearing a bit thin now. How many more chances do they need? How easy does any opposition need to make it for them on AI day to actually win Sam ?

The harsh, cold and bald reality is that Mayo are not good enough. Stop blaming curses, stop blaming managers, stop blaming whatever. Its worn out. The Mayo squad need to sit down and have some uncomfortable conversations among themselves before going again next year. They need to find an extra 5 or 10% to realistically compete for an AI in the future. The wont find it in folklore or some other abstract thing. They can only find it in themselves.

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Seriously? Seriously? It would be like Dublin not starting Cluxton.

Everyone knows the players, specifically the O'Sheas, were calling the shots this year, and Mayo has paid the price.

Will u piss off with this sj1te