Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

Boom_Bap · 21-09-2016 09:56AM

8-10 wrote: »

Grujic looked really off the pace last night. Not going to worry yet but would be giving him a few u-23 games as well as the next league cup game before thinking of using him in the league. Hopefully he'll get up to speed quickly in terms of game pace and strength because if he does I think we'll have a serious player on our hands

You could see that there are flashes of quality in what he was doing on the ball. But very rusty. Can and Ings also suffering from rust as well, their touch a bit off, overhitting and underhitting balls....but I expect that will be shaken off with a few more games.

I think Klopp will keep a very familiar team this year and will swap out 1 or 2 players every game so that everyone is getting a chance.

marklazarcovic · 21-09-2016 09:59AM

Thought he was fine myself,cool and composed,great passing..didn't set the game alight but was quite solid

8-10 · 21-09-2016 10:01AM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

You could see that there are flashes of quality in what he was doing on the ball. But very rusty. Can and Ings also suffering from rust as well, their touch a bit off, overhitting and underhitting balls....but I expect that will be shaken off with a few more games.

I think Klopp will keep a very familiar team this year and will swap out 1 or 2 players every game so that everyone is getting a chance.

My 2 main questions now are:

Who drops out for Can once he's fully fit?
Is Karius now in as number 1?

With the team performing so well recently there's an argument not to change anything. But I can't see the German lads not getting into the first team. I presume it'll be Wijnaldum losing his spot but then he's getting a proper understanding with Hendo. Will be interesting to see the lineup for the United game in a few weeks. I suspect the 2 lads will be in by then

Milkers · 21-09-2016 10:04AM

8-10 wrote: »

Who drops out for Can once he's fully fit?

Possibly noone if the others are performing at a high enough level. But most likely Wijnaldum with Henderson taking his spot and Can as playmaker.

5starpool · 21-09-2016 10:10AM

Wijnaldum would be the most likely candidate if anyone, but I reckon aside from injuries, it will be mostly somewhat between Henderson, Lallana, Wijnaldum and Can, so 3 from those 4 with Lucas and Grujic the main backup to those in the midfield area in case of injurues.

Boom_Bap · 21-09-2016 10:10AM

8-10 wrote: »

My 2 main questions now are:

Who drops out for Can once he's fully fit?
Is Karius now in as number 1?

With the team performing so well recently there's an argument not to change anything. But I can't see the German lads not getting into the first team. I presume it'll be Wijnaldum losing his spot but then he's getting a proper understanding with Hendo. Will be interesting to see the lineup for the United game in a few weeks. I suspect the 2 lads will be in by then

I'd say that 1 week Gigi will be given a rest, Can slots in, the next week Henderson, Can slots in etc....or Can drops in as a 60 minute sub for any of them. I guess what I'm saying is that we have options, and it all depends on the opposition of course. Lucas and Gru will hasve to be thrown in the mix as well.

21-09-2016 10:19AM

Indeed, we'll probably see a 60/70 minute sub at midfield and attack in most games keeping the 3rd substitution until very late on to allow contingency for injuries.

Boom_Bap · 21-09-2016 10:21AM

I'd like to Sahko included in the group who will start to get a game. I'm not a fan of subbing a centre half during a game, or breaking up a good partnership which I think Matip and Lovren will be. But my heart still want Sahko to get a chance.

Knex* · 21-09-2016 10:22AM

Liked how Klopp said in the interview after Arsenal game how even Henderson didn't think he could play the holding midfield role (or the number 6 as he called it) before the season, but he's working on it everyday and Klopp thinks he'll only grow into it.

I definitely think we'll have our hiccups along the way. There'll be games where we're giving out about Henderson as a DM, or Milner as the LB, or only having one winger in Mane, etc, but there's no doubt that we're heading in the right direction.

Its enjoyable time, despite the occasional frustrations.

54and56 · 21-09-2016 10:26AM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I think Klopp will keep a very familiar team this year and will swap out 1 or 2 players every game so that everyone is getting a chance.

Agreed 100%. He'll rotate one or two MF's and FW's every game which will keep things fresh and reduce the impact an injury to 2-3 players will have. The fact the team shape and quality of play shouldn't be negatively impacted by rotating the "first" 16 players or so is a testament to how well Klopp has shaped the squad in just two windows.

Vicxas · 21-09-2016 10:45AM

What i liked most about last night was how seamless the other players slotted into the team, like it didn't feel like a weakened team to watch.

Dickerty · 21-09-2016 10:49AM

Vicxas wrote: »

What i liked most about last night was how seamless the other players slotted into the team, like it didn't feel like a weakened team to watch.

Yes, as it should be. We train the same way, we set up the same way, we dictate how we approach the match regardless of the opponents...

21-09-2016 10:55AM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I'd like to Sahko included in the group who will start to get a game. I'm not a fan of subbing a centre half during a game, or breaking up a good partnership which I think Matip and Lovren will be. But my heart still want Sahko to get a chance.

It could be said that he had a chance (same as the rest of the squad) over the last 11 months or so.

Harry Palmr · 21-09-2016 11:30AM

10 minutes of Spurs 2 - Liverpool 6 U23s

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4u1ly0

Dickerty · 21-09-2016 11:39AM

Woodburn, Brannagan, AA and Wilson excellent again!

J Mysterio · 21-09-2016 11:44AM

dogbert27 wrote: »

But the atmosphere would be different. Newcastle evening game at Anfield under the floodlights always feels better like the two classics in the 90's and Alonso's goal as posted yesterday.

Newcastle fans are buzzing as well at the minute so it would be cracking atmosphere.

Lets leave that for a semi or final! Would prefer much simpler games for early rounds!

Vicxas · 21-09-2016 11:51AM

We need to make sure we keep hold of that Woodburn fella, some talent!

dogbert27 · 21-09-2016 11:53AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Lets leave that for a semi or final! Would prefer much simpler games for early rounds!

Yeah actually the semi-finals over two legs would be great!

amber69 · 21-09-2016 12:42PM

Trent A A looks some player

garra · 21-09-2016 12:46PM

Talisman wrote: »

Except from the strikers - Sturridge and Origi have yet to score in the league, Ings has yet to play. Firmino has chipped in with 2 goals but he's not a striker, he's a support player.

It's early days and there have only been 5 league games played so there's no need to panic or get over excited just yet.

(Pedantic point)
I don't go along with this definition of Firmino as a "support" player. Just because his starting position is not on the shoulder of a centre half, doesn't mean he is a "support" player. He is not a winger or an attacking midfielder, and is the best finisher other than Sturridge at the club, so I'm calling him a striker anways.

Dickerty · 21-09-2016 12:51PM

amber69 wrote: »

Trent A A looks some player

He is a CM naturally, but playing RB is working on his engine and both defensive and offensive skills. Plus we have loads of CMs at U23 (Bran, Williams, Phillips, Ejaria, Brimmer).

And Woodburn looks 3/4 years further ahead of where he is - again he's being played as a winger to work on his all-round game, his finishing is not at question...

J Mysterio · 21-09-2016 01:24PM

Woodburn is insanely good.

Dickerty · 21-09-2016 01:34PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Woodburn is insanely good.

That wasn't even his best showing. But great that he is involved in so much of the play...

21-09-2016 01:43PM

garra wrote: »

........... so I'm calling him a striker anways.

He was always regarded as a striker of sorts, no doubt.

If he's going to be our "main man" up front longterm, I'd be a tad concerned though. I can't see him being a 1 in 2 striker, he'll always (imo and would be delighted to be proved wrong) be much closer to being a 1 in 3 striker and all the top teams always have at least one 1 in 2 striker.

100% fine for this season of course where top4 finish would be top class great.

dogbert27 · 21-09-2016 02:26PM

Augeo wrote: »

He was always regarded as a striker of sorts, no doubt.

If he's going to be our "main man" up front longterm, I'd be a tad concerned though. I can't see him being a 1 in 2 striker, he'll always (imo and would be delighted to be proved wrong) be much closer to being a 1 in 3 striker and all the top teams always have at least one 1 in 2 striker.

100% fine for this season of course where top4 finish would be top class great.

Do we use a "main man" though? I think it's a front three that are fluid with support from midfield.

Look at City similar to us, Sterling 3 goals, Aguero 3 goals, Iheanco 2 goals, De Bruyne 2 goals, Nolito 2 goals, Gudongen 1 goal and Fernadinho 1 goal. They also have 7 different goal scorers.

Arsenal have Sanchez 3 goals, Walcott 2 goals, Cazorla 2 goal, Ozil 1 goal, Koscielny 1 goal, Xhaka 1 goal, Chamberlain 1 goal and Chambers 1 goal. That's 8 different goal scorers.

Spurs have the same amount of goals as United but have Heung min on 2, Kane on 2, Walker on 1, Dele Alli on 1, Lamela 1 and Wanyama 1. That's six different goal scorers.

Chelsea have 10 goals with Costa on 5, Hazard on 2, Batshuayi on 1, Willian on 1, Moses on 1.

Like taking Ibrahimovic out of United, if Costa was taken out of this Chelsea team they would have had a serious struggle to the start of this season.
One player for both teams has scored half their league goals.

I think the top teams now play the way we are currently playing and not relying on a 1 in 2 striker anymore.

K-9 · 21-09-2016 02:33PM

5starpool wrote: »

Has to be a front 3 of Coutinho, Firmino, Mane on Saturday. Lallana, Wijnaldum, Henderson in behind them. Unless there is an injury of course.

Tbh Sturridge could come in for one of those quite seamlessly, which is great. Then we've Origi and Ings, Milner and Lalana if stuck. Origi needs a run of games which is when we miss Europa games but hopefully the goal last night can help him out as he looked a bit lost at times so far.

Henderson looks fit which is a big help. Considering we haven't missed Can too much barring the Burnley match, that's a compliment on how the midfield have done so far. Lalana seems to be thriving in his new role as well.

LB we'll see but lack of back up for Clyne could be a problem. We're expecting a 50 game season from him after 60 or so last year.

Hell, nobody is clamoring for Mig to be dropped so it's all good!

dogbert27 · 21-09-2016 02:52PM

Being a home game on Saturday I wouldn't be surprised to see Klopp put out the same starting line up that we did against Leicester.

Mignolet in for Karius
Clyne
Matip
Lovren in for Klavan
Milner in for Moreno
Henderson
Wijnaldum in for Lucas/Can (Can not up to full match fitness yet)
Lallana in for Grujic
Firmino
Sturridge in for Origi
Mane in for Coutinho (Played 82 mins against Chelsea and over an hour last night).

5starpool · 21-09-2016 03:13PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Being a home game on Saturday I wouldn't be surprised to see Klopp put out the same starting line up that we did against Leicester.

Mignolet in for Karius
Clyne
Matip
Lovren in for Klavan
Milner in for Moreno
Henderson
Wijnaldum in for Lucas/Can (Can not up to full match fitness yet)
Lallana in for Grujic
Firmino
Sturridge in for Origi
Mane in for Coutinho (Played 82 mins against Chelsea and over an hour last night).

Wouldn't surprise me, but I think Coutinho would start over Sturridge on Saturday if all are fit. Options we're all happy with though are brilliant.

21-09-2016 03:14PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Do we use a "main man" though? I think it's a front three that are fluid with support from midfield.

Look at City similar to us, Sterling 3 goals, Aguero 3 goals, Iheanco 2 goals, De Bruyne 2 goals, Nolito 2 goals, Gudongen 1 goal and Fernadinho 1 goal. They also have 7 different goal scorers.

Arsenal have Sanchez 3 goals, Walcott 2 goals, Cazorla 2 goal, Ozil 1 goal, Koscielny 1 goal, Xhaka 1 goal, Chamberlain 1 goal and Chambers 1 goal. That's 8 different goal scorers.

Spurs have the same amount of goals as United but have Heung min on 2, Kane on 2, Walker on 1, Dele Alli on 1, Lamela 1 and Wanyama 1. That's six different goal scorers.

Chelsea have 10 goals with Costa on 5, Hazard on 2, Batshuayi on 1, Willian on 1, Moses on 1.

Like taking Ibrahimovic out of United, if Costa was taken out of this Chelsea team they would have had a serious struggle to the start of this season.
One player for both teams has scored half their league goals.

I think the top teams now play the way we are currently playing and not relying on a 1 in 2 striker anymore.

Not relying is all well and good. Aguero & Kane are PL 1 in 2 strikers though and Costa & Sanchez are very close to being it

I'm not just looking at the 5 games of this season so far.

dogbert27 · 21-09-2016 03:39PM

Augeo wrote: »

dogbert27 wrote: »

Do we use a "main man" though? I think it's a front three that are fluid with support from midfield.

Look at City similar to us, Sterling 3 goals, Aguero 3 goals, Iheanco 2 goals, De Bruyne 2 goals, Nolito 2 goals, Gudongen 1 goal and Fernadinho 1 goal. They also have 7 different goal scorers.

Arsenal have Sanchez 3 goals, Walcott 2 goals, Cazorla 2 goal, Ozil 1 goal, Koscielny 1 goal, Xhaka 1 goal, Chamberlain 1 goal and Chambers 1 goal. That's 8 different goal scorers.

Spurs have the same amount of goals as United but have Heung min on 2, Kane on 2, Walker on 1, Dele Alli on 1, Lamela 1 and Wanyama 1. That's six different goal scorers.

Chelsea have 10 goals with Costa on 5, Hazard on 2, Batshuayi on 1, Willian on 1, Moses on 1.

Like taking Ibrahimovic out of United, if Costa was taken out of this Chelsea team they would have had a serious struggle to the start of this season.
One player for both teams has scored half their league goals.

I think the top teams now play the way we are currently playing and not relying on a 1 in 2 striker anymore.

Not relying is all well and good. Aguero & Kane are PL 1 in 2 strikers though and Costa & Sanchez are very close to being it

I'm not just looking at the 5 games of this season so far.

Sturridge's stats put him as a 1 in 2 striker for us.
But we're not reliant on him now the way we were under Rodgers final season.
That's the difference between the way we and the other teams play versus United and Chelsea at the moment.

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