Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Note in OP, 13/9

justshane · 19-09-2016 04:36AM

Pro. F wrote: »

There is no reason for me not to talk about where United should be at. United should be beating minnows like Feyenoord (even taking into consideration the squad rotation). The current reality is that United are struggling, even against minnows like Feyenoord. If that keeps up for a few months then Jose will, rightly, be sacked. Because everybody expects that United should handle minnows like Feyenoord comfortably.

We should be beating them out the gate. And just because our current form is gash, that doesn't stop them being minnows compared to a club like United. We dwarf them in terms of spending power, cost of squad, cost of manager and expectation.

listen to yourself, the reason so many people give united fans a hard time. No way are Feyenoord minnows of European football. A tier below United maybe and nowhere near Barca, Juve ete but minnows ffs

Pro. F · 19-09-2016 04:50AM

justshane wrote: »

listen to yourself, the reason so many people give united fans a hard time. No way are Feyenoord minnows of European football. A tier below United maybe and nowhere near Barca, Juve ete but minnows ffs

Everything is relative. Feyenoord are giants compared to Port Vale, but minnows compared Barca, Juve, etc. United, given the money being spent, should expect to be up there in that highest tier. United's manager will be sacked if he regular loses to teams like Feyenoord. That shows the expected disparity between the teams. None of this should be controversial.

LuckyLloyd · 19-09-2016 06:43AM

spiralism wrote: »

There's no fixing this lads. As a club we are just rotten from top to bottom, it's an absolute shambles. Can't wait for this season to end. I hate this ****ing team.

The season's just started! 8 months to go...

Korat · 19-09-2016 06:47AM

Yesterday was toxic.They'd have lost to Shamrock Rovers playing like that. It's bizarre they could be so bad.

19-09-2016 08:27AM

Full presser

19-09-2016 08:32AM

Can somebody point out to me where Jose has criticized individual Utd players and named them out because people keep posting it on this forum but I have yet to hear him say it
The whole "Throw the players under the bus narrative"

IamtheWalrus · 19-09-2016 08:50AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Can somebody point out to me where Jose has criticized individual Utd players and named them out because people keep posting it on this forum but I have yet to hear him say it
The whole "Throw the players under the bus narrative"

He singled out Lingard and M**ryan for the previous league game.

Jayop · 19-09-2016 09:04AM

I'll assume this thread is best ignored for a few days.

sReq | uTeK · 19-09-2016 09:05AM

Pro. F wrote: »

It is not a different argument. When I referred to Feyenoord as minnows, I meant that relative to where United should be at. Nothing has changed about what I said, only what you thought I meant.

Perhaps you should clearly state it then. On current and past 3 year form you wouldn't put United much ahead of them.

I love the fact how you're asked what needs to happen to get us performing and do the rounds in every player whilst omitting Rooney.

Polo_Mint · 19-09-2016 09:13AM

- Win - Result turnover from last season

- Win - Didn't play last season

- Lose - Result turnover from last season
:mad: - Lose - Didn't play last season

PL 2015-2016 - Bournemouth v Man U - 2 -1
PL 2016-2017 - Bournemouth v Man U - 1 -3

PL 2015-2016 - Man U v Southampton - 0 -1
PL 2016-2017 - Man U v Southampton - 2 -0

PL 2016-2017 - Hull v Man U - 0 -1

PL 2015-2016 - Man U v Man C - 0 -0
PL 2016-2017 - Man U v Man C - 1 -2

EL 2016-2017 - Feyenoord v Man U - 1-0 :mad:

PL 2015-2016 - Watford v Man U - 1 -2
PL 2016-2017 - Watford v Man U - 3 -1

jaykay74 · 19-09-2016 09:15AM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

He singled out Lingard and M**ryan for the previous league game.

By name after the game ? Or are you inferring it from the substitutions or vague comments that didn't reference specific players ?

19-09-2016 09:26AM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

He singled out Lingard and M**ryan for the previous league game.

As per jaykay74 post is there a source for this?
I've watched nearly all the interviews and I can't see where he did this.

Comic Book Guy · 19-09-2016 09:34AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

As per jaykay74 post is there a source for this?
I've watched nearly all the interviews and I can't see where he did this.

I only heard a bit of his post match press conference this morning and he singled out Luke Shaw for being 20 yards out of position for one of the goals.

IamtheWalrus · 19-09-2016 09:38AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

As per jaykay74 post is there a source for this?
I've watched nearly all the interviews and I can't see where he did this.

I may have gotten it wrong and I hope I have.

This isn't great but not stinging I suppose.

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/english-premier-league/mourinho-points-finger-at-mkhitaryan-lingard-blind-and-bailly-after-man-united-derby-loss-they-lost-easy-balls

The_Kew_Tour · 19-09-2016 09:40AM

I don't think Rooney is done or anything, but he does need to be dropped.

From about the 52nd minute to 67-68 he made a string of basic errors, from over cooking crosses, to simple bad touches, to overweight passes without much pressure.

StringerBell · 19-09-2016 09:44AM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

He singled out Lingard and M**ryan for the previous league game.

He didn't actually. I can see why you might think that, its a handy narrative but he actually didn't.

19-09-2016 09:46AM

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

I only heard a bit of his post match press conference this morning and he singled out Luke Shaw for being 20 yards out of position for one of the goals.

In the video I posted above.
I see absolutely nothing wrong in what he said.
In-fact he said that it's his job to correct the issues.
Blown way out of proportion but it's an easy narrative to hop on tbh

StringerBell · 19-09-2016 09:54AM

Exactly, he is breaking it down in terms of the mentality that is in the whole team, speaking of the Kolarov situation where the team backed off instead of pressed, and the same yesterday, he uses that his left back was 25 metres away instead of 5 and then didn't go to press as an example of the mentality. That he has to improve it, he takes ownership of it.

deaddonkey15 · 19-09-2016 09:57AM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

He singled out Lingard and M**ryan for the previous league game.

He also accepted it was his fault.

bangkok · 19-09-2016 10:16AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

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Beckham.
Stam.
Keane.
Heinze
I could go on

How's Benteke doing at palace...

My point you ask. They all ****ing do it. They're not going to play players to appease you or I
They're going to play players that they feel best for their system.

but all those players you listed played and were involved in the squad right up until the very end before they were sold. Uniteds team spirit under ferguson was unbreakable. i highly doubt he would have treated bastian the way he is being treated now. we could actually do with him in the team

bangkok · 19-09-2016 10:19AM

Pro. F wrote: »

He's been one of our best players this season, so not bizarre at all.

doesnt say much for our midfield though does it. Pogba has been poor, who else has played there consistently?? Fellaini is fine at breaking up play and stopping the other team play, but Man Utd is much more than that. It should be the other teams trying to stop us play. His positioning for capoue goal yesterday was awful

Pro. F · 19-09-2016 10:22AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Perhaps you should clearly state it then. On current and past 3 year form you wouldn't put United much ahead of them.

I did clearly state it. When sankratz took issue with my use of the word minnows I clarified what I meant:
"The strongest team in the Eredivisie are minnows compared to where United should be at. We were gash last season too and LVG was rightly sacked because of it."

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I love the fact how you're asked what needs to happen to get us performing and do the rounds in every player whisky omitting Rooney.

That is not true. The only players (positions actually) that I specifically mentioned were the defence and the wide midfielders.

Pro. F · 19-09-2016 10:28AM

bangkok wrote: »

doesnt say much for our midfield though does it. Pogba has been poor, who else has played there consistently??

Ugh, that is a different argument. It's not bizarre to start one of the players who has been your best so far, which is what Fellaini has been.

If you think the best hasn't been good enough or that some other players deserve a chance then fine. But that doesn't make picking Fellaini bizarre, which is what MD said and I was arguing against.

bangkok wrote: »

Fellaini is fine at breaking up play and stopping the other team play, but Man Utd is much more than that. It should be the other teams trying to stop us play. His positioning for capoue goal yesterday was awful

Fellaini is good at a lot more than just breaking up the opposition play.

The defensive positioning of the entire front six hasn't been good enough. Fellaini was getting dragged all over the place because of it.

bangkok · 19-09-2016 10:36AM

Pro. F wrote: »

Ugh, that is a different argument. It's not bizarre to start one of the players who has been your best so far, which is what Fellaini has been.

If you think the best hasn't been good enough or that some other players deserve a chance then fine. But that doesn't make picking Fellaini bizarre, which is what MD said and I was arguing against.

Fellaini is good at a lot more than just breaking up the opposition play.

The defensive positioning of the entire front six hasn't been good enough. Fellaini was getting dragged all over the place because of it.

if he had of been on capoue where he should have been, they wouldnt have scored. it was extremely poor from an experienced player

Pro. F · 19-09-2016 10:51AM

bangkok wrote: »

if he had of been on capoue where he should have been, they wouldnt have scored. it was extremely poor from an experienced player

He was filling in in the back-line for Smalling who had had to go out wide once Martial had been beaten. That's what the DM should be doing. The reason there was so much space for Capoue was because too many of our front six and the left-back had committed forward before we had properly secured the ball.

crkball6 · 19-09-2016 10:51AM

bangkok wrote: »

if he had of been on capoue where he should have been, they wouldnt have scored. it was extremely poor from an experienced player

Your view is too simplistic and just shows a lack of basic understanding. watch it again.

Maro is out of position because of other people been out of position. This is an overall lack of understanding / communication from a number of players. Maro had to follow the run because of the area the attack was in.

You need to stop letting commentators telling you what's happening and start watching what's happening.

Maro was immense yesterday. Robbie Savage stated he'd won nothing when 60 seconds before that he'd won two decisive headers in very dangerous areas. In fact Maro was one of few people who could walk off the pitch yesterday known he'd put in a shift which could not be said for many others.

Korat · 19-09-2016 11:02AM

Who gave away the penalty at the end?

TheDoc · 19-09-2016 11:03AM

Whilst there is a certain aspect of "it needs time" it's extremely unfortunate for Mourinho how quickly Guardiola has taken a squad of bottlers and under performers from last season and made them look the standout victors of this season already.

There simply isn't the patience and time. And I'm sure Jose knows this also. There isn't time for youngsters who arn't up to scratch, there isn't time to redeploy players and reshape their positions. This next two seasons needs to be all about winning again, to re-assert ourselves so this rot doesn't continue any longer.

I'm already raising eyebrows at Mourinho, and it's mainly around the Rooney issue.

I really need, and we really need the old Jose back ASAP. I sincerely hope his Chelsea foray hasn't damaged him. I love this piece from F365 as it's exactly what I'm feeling at the moment

Mourinho needs to plug into his 2004/2005 mentality and get hard, really bloody hard. Drop all the useless puddings, whoever they are, whatever their commercial heft is, and start playing players in their best positions. Get bloody serious. Because if he doesn’t get serious and get serious soon, this is all only going to end one way, and that way is badly. And quickly.

This is a world class manager, with premier league experience and titles. It shouldn't be a challenge for him to get this team firing in some shape or form. Unless Van Gaal has assembled one of the worst squads in our clubs history, but on paper and from what I believe, that is not the case what so ever.

Another big chance for some players on Thursday to stake a claim. Martial's spot is very much up to frabs, and I hope Memphis takes it. What's to lose at this stage.

I wouldn't be averse to Mourinho keeping Pogba in the team to get a performance out of him. Have Blind hold the base of a midfield three and then let Herrera and Pogba operate in front. Memphis on the left, Mata on the right, Martial up front. PLAY....MARTIAL....UP......FRONT

TheDoc · 19-09-2016 11:05AM

Korat wrote: »

Who gave away the penalty at the end?

Fellaini. A soft penalty after Bailly made a bags of it twice, Valencia was nowhere to be seen, and I don't know what Smalling was doing.

Are you relating Fellaini giving away a penalty as a link to criticising his play? He's made an excellent start to this season

And if he is as bad or doesn't deserve his spot as people claim, then Schneiderlan and Herrera and Blind are busted flushes and shouldn't be at the club. If Fellaini is so poor, that they cannot dislodge him.

crkball6 · 19-09-2016 11:06AM

Korat wrote: »

Who gave away the penalty at the end?

again too simplistic.

Maro did and was in that position again because of the mistakes of others.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Note in OP, 13/9

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