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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Note in OP, 13/9

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Manutd_4life


    Korat wrote: »
    Rooney provided leadership today, he led the team as best he could.

    Care to elaborate. He showed to me the exact opposite today. All he did well today imo was whinging to the ref at every decision against us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    zerks wrote: »
    Did anyone post Rooney's stats for today?

    33 successful passes out of 40 attempts. 1 completed pass every 3 minutes or so from our 'creative fulcrum'.

    0 chances created from play (2 from deadballs)

    27 of the 33 successful passes were backwards (15) or square (12)

    0 through balls

    0 tackles attempted

    0 take ons

    0 shots on target

    1 shot off target (if you could call it a shot)

    1 interception

    1 block

    0 from 1 aerial duels

    1 foul commited

    1 foul drawn.

    This fella is supposed to be the captain and creative force in the team? I'm sorry but he is done.I don't care about others saying "sure player X or Y was worse",players have off days but not every game for 3 seasons.

    https://twitter.com/FCAfkicken/status/777547035746578432

    If you are going to make things up you should at least make them plausible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,092 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Care to elaborate. He showed to me the exact opposite today. All he did well today imo was whinging to the ref at every decision against us.

    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Korat wrote: »
    Rooney provided leadership today, he led the team as best he could.

    Leadership is dragging your team through when things aren't going right,leading by example,helping and cajoling team mates.Trying to score or create a goal.It isn't whining at the ref,the linesman or anyone else unfortunate enough to be within earshot.
    Others were poor today but our captain is at a level where even something half decent is not the norm from him anymore.Sentiment or loyalty to a long serving player cannot come into it,when somebody becomes a liability on the field then they do not deserve a place in the team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Nalz wrote: »
    +1

    What was he doing to that lino? Up in his grill.

    And then the petulant attempt at a angled stamp.

    Totally lost his head. Probably knows he's in for headlines and he's in trouble.

    Red cars might have been a blessing just to make sure he was our of the team.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,092 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    TheDoc wrote: »
    What was he doing to that lino? Up in his grill.

    And then the petulant attempt at a angled stamp.

    Totally lost his head. Probably knows he's in for headlines and he's in trouble.

    Red cars might have been a blessing just to make sure he was our of the team.
    Yup

    https://streamable.com/i6up

    This link is great. As bad as anyone else played today there is no way you could put a video together as woeful as that. No fücking way.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,745 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Bring back Daley for a start.

    Rooney is not playing well enough to be an automatic starter, his position is very important and it would be good to see someone else getting 3 or 4 games to see if they can do better. A direct replacement or a player like Herrera joining the side makes sense now Rashford is forcing his way in. He will get passed Ibra and that removes one of the key reasons for playing Rooney (that he will try and get beyond Ibra).

    It's disappointing to see Herrera not playing more when he started the season well, Daley the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    http://www.joe.co.uk/sport/why-wont-television-pundits-acknowledge-wayne-rooneys-poor-form/86819
    Wayne Rooney had a stinker. He was hardly the only one, and it was far from his worst performance in recent times, but it was poor - very poor. So poor in fact that he was probably the biggest turd in a toilet-load of ****e-fragranced displays.

    He gave away cheap possession far too often, slowed down the play by taking numerous touches to properly control the ball, and basically got in the way. He offered nothing much positive and was very noticeably off-form.

    Except the pundits in the studio didn't seem to notice, and they rarely do. It has been the same for a while now: the majority of fans call out Rooney for his often sub-standard displays, and yet this is not reflected in televised opinions.

    Of course, some fans have blinkered views and won't have a bad word said about any of their players ever, but there are plenty of Manchester United supporters that are shouting from the rooftops that the captain needs to be dropped.

    It is partly because they can see with their own eyes that he's not playing well, and partly because they look at the team as a whole, and specifically at potential match-winners, and decry the fact that Rooney is hindering them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    DM_7 wrote: »
    Bring back Daley for a start.

    Rooney is not playing well enough to be an automatic starter, his position is very important and it would be good to see someone else getting 3 or 4 games to see if they can do better. A direct replacement or a player like Herrera joining the side makes sense now Rashford is forcing his way in. He will get passed Ibra and that removes one of the key reasons for playing Rooney (that he will try and get beyond Ibra).

    It's disappointing to see Herrera not playing more when he started the season well, Daley the same.

    Blind is always calm and can play a pass,Smalling and Bailly are too similar.At times,Smalling wouldn't look out of place in Croke Park.Pulling and hauling other players or trying to swap jerseys mid match.
    Look back at our best CB pairings. One warrior and one calm,ball player who knew exactly where to be and how to play out from the back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    If you drew a box with the top starting about 25 yards from the opposition goal, going to each touch line and with the bottom about 10 yards into our half you'd have a picture of where Rooney operates these days. Yes he offers a lot of running in that box, and a lot of simple passes but the work he does is just insignificant when you look at the bigger picture. He offers no invention for me, and given his free role in a 4231 the creativity of the team is on his shoulders. We're using Pogba as a holding midfielder ffs.

    You could see at the start of the second half Jose told Rooney to stay up top, but after about 10 minutes he reverted back to playing deeper.

    When Jose joined I had great hope that Rooney would play up front again, but signing Ibra obviously threw a spanner in the works as I think he is still a better option than Rooney there. But both of them on the pitch doesn't work. Jose ultimately gets the blame for this because he picks the team, but Van Gaal and Moyes played him too and it's really starting to look like he has the club by the dangly bits somehow with regard to playing time.

    It might be tinfoil hat stuff but when you have opposing fans amazed he gets a game you know something is up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,406 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    [QUOTE=zerks;101084616https://twitter.com/FCAfkicken/status/777547035746578432[/QUOTE]

    Ignoring all the shít passing, the clip on 52 seconds shows just how old and lackadaisical he is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    Rooney is not the only player who is playing poorly but dropping him will be the biggest step in right direction. He is playing as a 10 and we are playing midfield 2, because of this the midfield is unbalanced and whole game we look like a broken pieces.

    Dropping Rooney and bringing a proper midfielder brings balance to the midfield. Player like Carrick who can pass and control the tempo, Herrera who plays box to box and Pogba who can create and score goals, also make attacking runs when Zlatan drops deep.

    One of the biggest problem in our team is whole team is static which means the options for the player in possession is very limited and it's easy to defend. No matter whether the ball is played or not, players should be making runs to drag defenders out of place which is not happening, our players are ball watching and a step late for every second ball.

    Also lack of off the ball movement from wingers is a big concern, tbh the movement is atrocious. Whoever is the player they expect the ball to be played to their feet when they should be making runs into the box.

    3 managers since Fergie and our general play has not improved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    We're using Pogba as a holding midfielder ffs.

    I wouldn't agree with that at all. Pogba has played box-to-box in every game, including today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    I don't like Jose singling out players. Fergie didn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭limnam


    I don't like Jose singling out players. Fergie didn't.

    Nonsense.

    On Nani losing the ball

    Ferguson said: 'We gave the ball away for the third goal having been in complete control of the match at that point.

    'All we needed to do was see the game out with good possession.

    'Nani is experienced but he's a player who wants to beat men and I often discourage him from that.

    'In that situation, if we'd kept the ball at the corner flag, the game's over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,715 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    José is making it more difficult than it should be with the Rooney nonsense.

    Drop him. Bring in Schneiderlin or Herrera. Free Pogba up from the nonsense of him being in a midfield 2. See what he can do in a system and position that resembles that which helped turn him into an £89m player.

    It's honestly like Mourinho, like Deschamps in the summer, has never seen the lad play. He's never been particularly disciplined. But he's physically gifted, can get incredible shots off, and can beat a man. He's not a DM. He's not able to control game. So stop asking him to.

    Just give him midfield protection and let him go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭tinpib


    I don't like Jose singling out players. Fergie didn't.

    Did he do that today? I missed it if he did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    tinpib wrote: »
    Did he do that today? I missed it if he did.

    I was referring to the previous game, don't know about today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    limnam wrote: »
    Nonsense.

    On Nani losing the ball

    Ferguson said: 'We gave the ball away for the third goal having been in complete control of the match at that point.

    'All we needed to do was see the game out with good possession.

    'Nani is experienced but he's a player who wants to beat men and I often discourage him from that.

    'In that situation, if we'd kept the ball at the corner flag, the game's over.

    Poor form from Fergie but this most be the exception, rather than the rule? Fergie was the type to take the heat off players in public and lambast them in private.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Pro. F wrote: »
    I wouldn't agree with that at all. Pogba has played box-to-box in every game, including today.


    If someone could post up pogba's touch map from the second half from squawka I think you'll find he sat in a zone about 15 yards either side of the halfway line.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,314 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    I more than anyone would love to see rooney change and rip up the league. It is never gonna happen Wayne is now a passenger and is so far from the standard we need it's just crazy now. If Jose doesn't drop him he needs to grow a pair imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭54and56


    I don't like Jose singling out players. Fergie didn't.

    Jose is the polar opposite of Fergie.

    - Fergie was a leader, Jose throws his players and staff under the bus to save himself.

    - Fergie thought Pogba had too high an opinion of his own abilities, Jose paid £89m to bring Pogba back.

    - Fergie took responsibility for results, Jose blames the refs for poor results.

    - Fergie built genuine team spirit, Jose is divisive and isolates players who are out of favour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,423 ✭✭✭chupacabra


    Tactically nothing has changed since van Gaal.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Jose is the polar opposite of Fergie.

    - Fergie was a leader, Jose throws his players and staff under the bus to save himself.

    - Fergie thought Pogba had to high an opinion of his own abilities, Jose paid £89m to being Pogba back.

    - Fergie took responsibility for results, Jose blames the refs for poor results.

    - Fergie built genuine team spirit, Jose is divisive and isolates players who are out of favour.

    You really have some chip on your shoulder there..

    You have become very concerned about United under Jose, you would never think that you were a Liverpool fan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    - Fergie took responsibility for results, Jose blames the refs for poor results.

    Fergie was the best, no doubt, but come on now. Fergie blamed refs when results went against him with the best of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭limnam


    Jose is the polar opposite of Fergie.

    - Fergie was a leader, Jose throws his players and staff under the bus to save himself.

    - Fergie thought Pogba had to high an opinion of his own abilities, Jose paid £89m to being Pogba back.

    - Fergie took responsibility for results, Jose blames the refs for poor results.

    - Fergie built genuine team spirit, Jose is divisive and isolates players who are out of favour.

    Is this thread a wind up.

    Ferguson on atkinson after been beaten by chelsea

    "You hope you get a really strong referee in games like this," he said. "It was a major game for both clubs and you want a fair referee, you know ... You want a strong referee, anyway, and we didn't get that."

    "Exactly, exactly. I don't know why he's got the game. I must say that, when I saw who was refereeing it, I feared the worst."

    Jose has "led" every team he's managed to silverware. You can't do this without team spirit.

    Ferguson/United couldn't keep pogba and let one of the best players in the world in his position leave for nothing.

    Stop reading twitter and listening to talk sport or at least stop been so bloody gullible


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    limnam wrote: »
    Is this thread a wind up.

    Ferguson on atkinson after been beaten by chelsea

    "You hope you get a really strong referee in games like this," he said. "It was a major game for both clubs and you want a fair referee, you know ... You want a strong referee, anyway, and we didn't get that."

    "Exactly, exactly. I don't know why he's got the game. I must say that, when I saw who was refereeing it, I feared the worst."

    Jose has "led" every team he's managed to silverware. You can't do this without team spirit.

    Ferguson/United couldn't keep pogba and let one of the best players in the world in his position leave for nothing.

    Stop reading twitter and listening to talk sport or at least stop been so bloody gullible

    He is a Liverpool fan suddenly concerned about United ever since they appointed Jose, so it most certainly is a wind up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,040 ✭✭✭✭adox


    Jose is the polar opposite of Fergie.

    - Fergie was a leader, Jose throws his players and staff under the bus to save himself.

    - Fergie thought Pogba had to high an opinion of his own abilities, Jose paid £89m to being Pogba back.

    - Fergie took responsibility for results, Jose blames the refs for poor results.

    - Fergie built genuine team spirit, Jose is divisive and isolates players who are out of favour.

    Ah you can't be serious? The two are a lot more alike than you think.

    It's all a bit pantomime painting Jose as this evil villain and Fergie as this saintly figure. They are both ruthless people in a ruthless business.

    Jose didn't win the trophies he did without creating team spirit. Most of his ex players only speak highly of him.

    Fergie was infamous for blaming the refs for results but the narrative spun on that was he was deflecting blame away from his players. Jose does it and he's wrong.

    I'm as frustrated as anyone about the way things are going. This last week has been awful and the problems are huge but there's no need to lose the run of ourselves here.

    Edit: ah ok Liverpool fan. You can ignore my last paragraph and I'll now ignore your post.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Seems most of the British media are criticising Rooney on the back pages tomorrow, could be the beginning of the end for him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭54and56


    astradave wrote: »
    You really have some chip on your shoulder there..

    You have become very concerned about United under Jose, you would never think that you were a Liverpool fan

    Is this a discussion thread or a fan boy only thread?

    I enjoy discussing football, full stop.

    By all means disagree with or criticise the points I make, they are genuinely held.

    Criticizing a poster because he supports another team is just silly.


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