What really obvious thing have you only just realised?

Realt Dearg Sec · 16-09-2016 02:34PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

What are you on about? Why would you upset a Tart or a Cart?

Are you saying the phrase doesn't actually exist?

Realt Dearg Sec · 16-09-2016 02:35PM

Kolido wrote: »

Been watching Only fools and horses for years and only noticed the opening and closing theme tunes are different (or different part of same song)

Also it sounds like Rodney is singing it, but that's not him.

BetsyEllen · 16-09-2016 02:37PM

Never is short for Not Ever

:eek::eek::eek:

Speedwell · 16-09-2016 02:38PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Are you saying the phrase doesn't actually exist?

Lots of phrases don't make sense anymore or never did (such as obscure ones that were badly translated, or ones that were morals of forgotten fables).

At some point I realised that most "nonsense words" in songs and stories were often efforts by illiterate people to render actual phrases that were either mystical chants or just in unfamiliar languages.

runawaybishop · 16-09-2016 02:42PM

BetsyEllen wrote: »

Never is short for Not Ever

:eek::eek::eek:

No, it isn't!

Speedwell · 16-09-2016 02:52PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

No, it isn't!

Yes, it actually is, but you have to go back a few hundred years to get to the early Old English forms of the words involved.

Maximus Alexander · 16-09-2016 03:38PM

THERE'S A SKELETON TRAPPED INSIDE MY BODY!

SuperS54 · 16-09-2016 03:41PM

Speedwell wrote: »

Yes, it actually is, but you have to go back a few hundred years to get to the early Old English forms of the words involved.

It's not, no matter how far back you go.

Speedwell · 16-09-2016 03:42PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

THERE'S A SKELETON TRAPPED INSIDE MY BODY!

Consider the alternative.

Speedwell · 16-09-2016 03:42PM

SuperS54 wrote: »

It's not, no matter how far back you go.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=never (one of many resources)

FURET · 16-09-2016 03:46PM

irelandrover wrote: »

This thread makes me feel like an idiot at times for not realising stuff sooner.

It makes me feel like you're all idiots for not intuiting these really obvious things.

SuperS54 · 16-09-2016 04:17PM

Speedwell wrote: »

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=never (one of many resources)

Your link states it's from a compound of ne and aefre, it's not "short" for not ever. Short for not ever would be n'ever, you could perhaps argue it's an elision of not ever but that wouldn't be entirely correct either.

Realt Dearg Sec · 16-09-2016 04:21PM

SuperS54 wrote: »

Your link states it's from a compound of ne and aefre, it's not "short" for not ever. Short for not ever would be n'ever, you could perhaps argue it's an elision of not ever but that wouldn't be entirely correct either.

It was fairly clear what he meant. The gist of it was that Never obviously means Not Ever, and he only just realised it. Whether it's short for it or a compound is fairly pedantic stuff in fairness.

Maximus Alexander · 16-09-2016 04:24PM

There are pedants on the internet now?

Speedwell · 16-09-2016 04:59PM

SuperS54 wrote: »

Your link states it's from a compound of ne and aefre, it's not "short" for not ever. Short for not ever would be n'ever, you could perhaps argue it's an elision of not ever but that wouldn't be entirely correct either.

It's a "contraction". And to contract means to shorten. Like, literally. Or don't take my word for it, try Wikipedia's technical definition: "A contraction is a shortened version of the written and spoken forms of a word, syllable, or word group, created by omission of internal letters and sounds". Elision is the process by which contractions are formed.

SuperS54 · 16-09-2016 05:25PM

Speedwell wrote: »

try Wikipedia's technical definition

Bringing in the big guns now

Speedwell · 16-09-2016 05:27PM

SuperS54 wrote: »

Bringing in the big guns now

It was handiest and I'm too lazy to break out my style books. Feel free to find a legitimate resource that refutes the Wikipedia definition, if you can (you can't).

Realt Dearg Sec · 16-09-2016 05:30PM

SuperS54 wrote: »

Bringing in the big guns now

Congratulations, you win the competition you invented for the cleverest person ever. Good work.

SuperS54 · 16-09-2016 05:30PM

Speedwell wrote: »

It was handiest and I'm too lazy to break out my style books. Feel free to find a legitimate resource that refutes the Wikipedia definition, if you can (you can't).

Nah, I'm too lazy to prove you wrong right now (you are wrong). :rolleyes:

16-09-2016 06:01PM

SuperS54 wrote: »

Nah, I'm too lazy to prove you wrong right now (you are wrong). :rolleyes:

F*ck, he used the roll eyes the absolute mad man. That's it, pack up the thread, we're done.

StupidLikeAFox · 16-09-2016 06:04PM

SuperS54 wrote: »

Nah, I'm too lazy to prove you wrong right now (you are wrong). :rolleyes:

She isn't

It comes from the Old English nǣfre, from ne ‘not’ + ǣfre ‘ever’.

https://www.google.ie/webhp?q=never%20etymology#safe=off&q=never+etymology

SuperS54 · 16-09-2016 06:18PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

She isn't

It comes from the Old English nǣfre, from ne ‘not’ + ǣfre ‘ever’.

https://www.google.ie/webhp?q=never%20etymology#safe=off&q=never+etymology

https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=ssl#q=behind+the+curve

Realt Dearg Sec · 16-09-2016 06:21PM

I only just realised this discussion is boring the bollocks off me. Obvious when you think about it.

galah · 16-09-2016 08:43PM

Speedwell wrote: »

Lots of phrases don't make sense anymore or never did (such as obscure ones that were badly translated, or ones that were morals of forgotten fables).

At some point I realised that most "nonsense words" in songs and stories were often efforts by illiterate people to render actual phrases that were either mystical chants or just in unfamiliar languages.

You mean just like pretty much every town name in Ireland that got transcribed into English by people who couldn't be bothered to figure out the actual Irish spelling? :pac::p

Speedwell · 16-09-2016 08:56PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I only just realised this discussion is boring the bollocks off me. Obvious when you think about it.

Yeah, for sure. I just realised I get paid to dispense the sort of professional knowledge that I am trying to give away for free to someone who doesn't even want it. Bugger that.

runawaybishop · 16-09-2016 09:16PM

Speedwell wrote: »

Yes, it actually is, but you have to go back a few hundred years to get to the early Old English forms of the words involved.

In another language it is not ever, not in English.

riclad · 16-09-2016 09:25PM

Hollywood is out of new idea,s ,
Any film or tv program that was successful 5 -10 years will be rebooted and
made into a film or sequel.We will end up with spiderman 10, avengers8,
jurassic world 5 in the cinema .more films will be made based on comic books .If you want to see complex characters ,and good scripts with a reference
to real life you are better off watching tv.

Realt Dearg Sec · 16-09-2016 09:29PM

riclad wrote: »

you are better off watching tv.

Yeah, they're rebooting MacGuyver on CBS this year, so...maybe this last bit isn't so simple...

implausible · 16-09-2016 09:37PM

That the bit that flips up on the top tray of the dishwasher can be used to hold another row of cups!

Saw the way the dishwasher was loaded at work today and was amazed.

Speedwell · 17-09-2016 09:37AM

You can drag tabs from one open instance of Chrome to another open instance. Seriously, I've been on the Internet since 1985, and an IT professional since 1998, how did I not know this?

What really obvious thing have you only just realised?

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