Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

06-09-2016 10:54PM

AppleBottle wrote: »

Can you link me to this? Many thanks:)

http://journeyplanner.irishrail.ie/bin/tb/query-p2w.exe/en?

barry181091 · 06-09-2016 11:37PM

The one thing I am wondering about all of this is how it costs 14 million to open this tunnel for passenger use!? Wasn't there already tracks in place inside the tunnel? I know I am obviously uninformed and naive, but 14 million!? Does anyone know what had to be done to get to this sort of figure?

Jamie2k9 · 06-09-2016 11:52PM

barry181091 wrote: »

The one thing I am wondering about all of this is how it costs 14 million to open this tunnel for passenger use!? Wasn't there already tracks in place inside the tunnel? I know I am obviously uninformed and naive, but 14 million!? Does anyone know what had to be done to get to this sort of figure?

New Track, Basalt, Lighting, Embankment Reinforcement, Drainage, GCD Facility and they are probally getting extra cash for the costs of running actual service.

goingnowhere · 07-09-2016 11:39AM

In theory it would be possible to run the service without spending a cent on the infrastructure, but bear in mind Irish Rail don't want to do this at all, the NTA have ordered them to provide the service.

1. The route from Heuston to Drumcondra was always open and certified to passenger standards, though there was a rule of 1 train in the tunnel at a time, that has been removed

2. Without Grand Canal Dock you could simply terminate in the down line in Pearse and route DART service through the relief loop

loyatemu · 07-09-2016 11:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

http://journeyplanner.irishrail.ie/bin/tb/query-p2w.exe/en?

I just generated a timetable from Greystones to Pearse and it includes times for WBROK (Woodbrook presumably) - good luck trying to board a train there!

Paddico · 07-09-2016 02:48PM

barry181091 wrote: »

The one thing I am wondering about all of this is how it costs 14 million to open this tunnel for passenger use!? Wasn't there already tracks in place inside the tunnel? I know I am obviously uninformed and naive, but 14 million!? Does anyone know what had to be done to get to this sort of figure?

I actually though 14 mil seems reasonable. Dont forget re signaling, re-scudling services, cover all aspects of modern H&S for passenger travel ... your bill starts to add up very quickly.

ClovenHoof · 07-09-2016 06:51PM

Irish Rail think that only huge sums of money can make anything happen. Look at the initial quote for reopening the Foynes branch, they specd it at TGV build level.

I sometimes think they mothball lines as an excuse to collect a load of cash when they are forced to reopen it. Like the disconnected line to the docks in Dublin not to long ago that was lifted for absolutely no reason at all.

L1011 · 08-09-2016 06:46PM

loyatemu wrote: »

I just generated a timetable from Greystones to Pearse and it includes times for WBROK (Woodbrook presumably) - good luck trying to board a train there!

Used to sometimes give times for Killucan on Sligo trains, causing a Walter mitty esque woman I worked with to insist she'd taken the train from there. Could never give a date and pointed at the planner as 'proof'!

IE 222 · 08-09-2016 07:47PM

Will signalling allow for PTT and Docklands train to use glasnevin at the same time. I know they don't pass paths but not sure if there is a fail safe set up in case of a points failure to only allow one at a time.

Heisenberg1 · 08-09-2016 08:23PM

IE 222 wrote: »

Will signalling allow for PTT and Docklands train to use glasnevin at the same time. I know they don't pass paths but not sure if there is a fail safe set up in case of a points failure to only allow one at a time.

Don't see why not you can have a UP and Down from Docklands and PPT moving all at the same time.

goingnowhere · 09-09-2016 07:11AM

Full parallel movement are possible

Train to Docklands, train from Docklands, train to Heuston via Drumcondra, train train from Heuston via Drumcondra, all at the same time is not an issue

ClovenHoof · 09-09-2016 04:22PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2G2HuqnRjY

Del.Monte · 09-09-2016 06:31PM

Vic_08 wrote: »

The "Everything CIE does is the worst ever" mantra, how original for this board. :rolleyes:

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/01b_dublin-cork_full_service-280915.pdf

Please explain what about this timetable is difficult to read or understand and point to a better example from an operator that you approve of.

Well perhaps I was in my usual, knee-jerk, anti CIE mode in my post, but it was brought on by the suggestion that reading timetables be taught in school. That said, the Dublin/Cork timetable could be improved by removing the token Irish cluttering it up - less is more. Bus Eireann don't see the need to have Irish on their timetables. http://www.buseireann.ie/timetables/1442220927-2.pdf

IE's website is a pain to use especially when it comes to booking a ticket. The company are incapable of providing an all-lines printed timetable for public sale - yet they manage to supply their staff with same. Would it really be that difficult to run off some extra copies for sale? God forbid that they might even make a profit.

BowWow · 09-09-2016 06:39PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2G2HuqnRjY

Whats the unused/abandoned bridge over the line, just after you exit the tunnel from the park heading towards Cabra?
Something to do with the barracks?

GM228 · 09-09-2016 06:59PM

BowWow wrote: »

Whats the unused/abandoned bridge over the line, just after you exit the tunnel from the park heading towards Cabra?
Something to do with the barracks?

Wasn't McKee Barracks originally Marlborough Barracks? That bridge being the old entrance from Marlborough Road into the barracks.

tabbey · 09-09-2016 07:00PM

BowWow wrote: »

Whats the unused/abandoned bridge over the line, just after you exit the tunnel from the park heading towards Cabra?
Something to do with the barracks?

Yes, the former entrance from the NCR to McKee Barracks.

IE 222 · 09-09-2016 08:55PM

goingnowhere wrote: »

Full parallel movement are possible

Train to Docklands, train from Docklands, train to Heuston via Drumcondra, train train from Heuston via Drumcondra, all at the same time is not an issue

But is it allowed

ClovenHoof · 09-09-2016 08:56PM

what does 'cutting soil nailed' mean?

IE 222 · 09-09-2016 08:56PM

Great

IE 222 · 09-09-2016 09:01PM

Great video. Very encouraging. I think a shorten clip of that video would make for a good advert when opening the line.

Why is the ballast so heavy.

Grandeeod · 09-09-2016 09:05PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

what does 'cutting soil nailed' mean?

The embankent of the cutting has been reinforced. Basically it shouldn't result in a landslide during crappy weather. Never did before though, but here we are in 2016.

Grandeeod · 09-09-2016 09:06PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2G2HuqnRjY

Honestly, you would think they had just built the tunnel such is the drama in that video.:D

IE 222 · 09-09-2016 09:10PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

what does 'cutting soil nailed' mean?

Reinforcement of the slopes. Drilled holes filled with rebar and grout

GM228 · 09-09-2016 09:29PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

The embankent of the cutting has been reinforced. Basically it shouldn't result in a landslide during crappy weather. Never did before though, but here we are in 2016.

It did several times, just never usually known as it didn't affect any passenger trains but a few freights did hit landslides over the years.

Del.Monte · 09-09-2016 09:30PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

Honestly, you would think they had just built the tunnel such is the drama in that video.:D

If memory serves me weren't CIE totally against the reopening of the route?

Grandeeod · 09-09-2016 09:49PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

If memory serves me weren't CIE totally against the reopening of the route?

Don't give me all that "memory" lark!

No comment.:D

spacetweek · 09-09-2016 10:55PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

That said, the Dublin/Cork timetable could be improved by removing the token Irish cluttering it up - less is more. Bus Eireann don't see the need to have Irish on their timetables.

I'm pretty sure that state enterprises are legally mandated to have everything translated to Irish - so Bus Eireann are in breach of the law in fact.

Del.Monte wrote: »

If memory serves me weren't CIE totally against the reopening of the route?

Yea but they now that it's happening they want to big it up!

Geuze · 10-09-2016 12:14AM

A few questions:

if it ever happens, is the tunnel big enough to take OHLE to allow electrification?

were there ever any stations between the tunnel portal and the junction with the Sligo line?

Jamie2k9 · 10-09-2016 12:22AM

Geuze wrote: »

A few questions:

if it ever happens, is the tunnel big enough to take OHLE to allow electrification?

were there ever any stations between the tunnel portal and the junction with the Sligo line?

Electrification not possible

Geuze · 10-09-2016 01:12AM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Electrification not possible

Please elaborate.

Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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