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Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭iptba


    Briefing: Murder - suicide and media reporting

    30% of males had recently experienced a decrease in status at work or job loss

    http://nsrf.ie/wp-content/uploads/Briefings/Briefing%20Murder-Suicide%20and%20Media%20Reporting%20NSRF%2030-08-16.pdf

    Not sexism per se but an example of how work status can feel very important for a man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭newport2


    Interesting one in the Guardian today

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/07/cps-report-violence-against-women-girl-men-boys-victims-violent-crime

    Basically, the CPS report titled "Violence against Women and Girls" includes violence against men and boys in it. It's stated in brackets in the small print, but the title is what people will remember. Lumping men and boys in it pumps up the numbers under Violence against women and girls. Are actual figures for men and boys not important enough to be published clearly? Deliberately manipulating stats or just accidently misleading figures?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭iptba


    newport2 wrote: »
    Interesting one in the Guardian today

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/07/cps-report-violence-against-women-girl-men-boys-victims-violent-crime

    Basically, the CPS report titled "Violence against Women and Girls" includes violence against men and boys in it. It's stated in brackets in the small print, but the title is what people will remember. Lumping men and boys in it pumps up the numbers under Violence against women and girls. Are actual figures for men and boys not important enough to be published clearly? Deliberately manipulating stats or just accidently misleading figures?

    I found this comment underneath interesting
    And the majority of elder abuse is by women.

    I did a very quick search. The first statistics I found were:

    http://www.eapu.com.au/elder-abuse
    Even though there are more women than men in older populations, older women are still more likely to be abused than older men. A major 1998 incidence study conducted by the National Center on Elder Abuse (NCEA*) found that overall a disproportionate number of older women were victims of abuse compared to men, although older men were more likely to be victims of abandonment. However women also represented nearly half (47.5%) of the perpetrators of abuse in this NCEA study while adult sons and daughters combined to create the single biggest category of abusers. This would suggest that there are more factors than gender at work in elder abuse situations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    ^^

    never thought of elder abuse, interesting aside for sure. I'm waiting for more to be made of lesbian abuse which apparently is statistically the most abusive type of relationship whereas gay men are similar enough to the average. given the zeitgeist you would reckon 2 women should be paradise on the scale of relationships, men being so toxic and all :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,080 ✭✭✭✭Panthro




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Panthro wrote: »

    This article here in the New York Times expands a good bit on it: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/07/us/campuses-cautiously-train-freshmen-against-subtle-insults.html?_r=1

    This section of it caught my eye, especially the part in bold.:
    Ms. Marlowe, a lawyer who most recently was diversity officer at the University of California, Santa Cruz, was also recruited by two other colleges this year before settling at Clark, a manicured campus of about 3,000 students an hour west of Boston in this heavily working-class city.

    Her two-hour presentation on Aug. 27 aimed to help students identify microaggressions and to teach them how to intervene when they observe one. Microaggressions can be verbal, nonverbal or environmental, she said.

    “What’s an environmental microaggression?” Ms. Marlowe asked the auditorium of about 525 new students. She gave an example. “On your first day of class, you enter the chemistry building and all of the pictures on the wall are scientists who are white and male,” she said. “If you’re a female, or you just don’t identify as a white male, that space automatically shows that you’re not represented.”

    A nonverbal microaggression could be when a white woman clutches her purse as a black or Latino person approaches.

    Another subset of microaggression is known as the microinvalidation, which includes comments suggesting that race plays a minor role in life’s outcomes, like “Everyone can succeed in this society if they work hard enough.”

    For Clark students like Noelia Martinez, a Massachusetts resident who was born in Puerto Rico to Dominican parents, the session was an epiphany.

    “It helped me understand what I’ve been going through all of my life, basically,” she said, describing how she had endured stinging comments such as “You’re a really good student for a Hispanic.”

    But Ms. Martinez, a sophomore transfer student, also realized that she, too, was guilty of microaggressions, because she frequently uses the phrase “you guys,” she said. “This helped me see that I’m a microaggressor, too.”

    :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,646 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    maybe
    Not speaking for anyone else here but I'm glad I got what I needed from Uni before all this sh*te took off. Mad that I would have thought that Universities were just the place for debate and innovation. Alas.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    Lol bloody lol!

    They should also avoid asking Irish or Irish American students drinking related questions such as where is the best bar around just to be safe.

    Third level institutions are turning into some joke these days. I shudder to think what any children i have will have to endure, debating and academic discussions will probably be banned in case anyone gets upset that other people might have a different viewpoint to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,469 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I was reading last night of a Harvard Graduate (gender studies*) trying to get research into any topic that would contradict her core beliefs banned. Will try to dig it out.




    *surprise surprise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Chaos Black


    I finished 3rd level about two years ago, after a 5 year stint in, didn't encounter too much of the above really. Saying that, I didn't actively look for it either or associate much with student politics & certain clubs & scocs where it might be more likely to pop up.

    Socially, usually i'd give that type a wide berth, couldn't be arsed. It might be just the circles I was involved with, but I got the impression many were in the same boat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,646 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    maybe
    Hmmmm... It's a very recent thing. Very recent in Europe anyway. It's a lot older in the US where we seem to be importing it from for some reason. The yanks have a fair bit of stuff worth importing but, 1) We've already got the good stuff and 2) they're welcome to this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,469 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    I was reading last night of a Harvard Graduate (gender studies*) trying to get research into any topic that would contradict her core beliefs banned. Will try to dig it out.

    Here it is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJwWYsAk1I8

    http://www.thecrimson.com/column/the-red-line/article/2014/2/18/academic-freedom-justice/


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Third level institutions are turning into some joke these days. I shudder to think what any children i have will have to endure, debating and academic discussions will probably be banned in case anyone gets upset that other people might have a different viewpoint to them.
    Are they really? Is there any evidence that this sort of thing is really that widespread or now considered the norm?

    Can't recall where but I did see something recently that indicated that it's not and that the majority of uni students these days aren't the coddled children they're increasingly being made out to be. Didn't surprise me; most of the time when you read this stuff it's from some small corner in the US. It's a big planet and if you're determined to find idiocy, the internet will facilitate. How many people go to university and how many cases like these are there?


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not speaking for anyone else here but I'm glad I got what I needed from Uni before all this sh*te took off. Mad that I would have thought that Universities were just the place for debate and innovation. Alas.
    Aye, a few short years has made a big difference. Though I noticed some of it creeping in a little bit in my last year.
    Are they really? Is there any evidence that this sort of thing is really that widespread or now considered the norm?

    Can't recall where but I did see something recently that indicated that it's not and that the majority of uni students these days aren't the coddled children they're increasingly being made out to be. Didn't surprise me; most of the time when you read this stuff it's from some small corner in the US. It's a big planet and if you're determined to find idiocy, the internet will facilitate. How many people go to university and how many cases like these are there?
    In TCD they had a kind of privilege race in Front Square. Where the "privilege" was called out and if you had it you took a step forward. Yeah, it's a funny old world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,469 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    In TCD they had a kind of privilege race in Front Square. Where the "privilege" was called out and if you had it you took a step forward. Yeah, it's a funny old world.

    That sounds like great fun.
    Would studying not be a better use of time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    I hope any young feminist that has been through the Irish education system and realises how much society now favours them in 2016 took 10 steps forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    That sounds like great fun.
    Would studying not be a better use of time?

    Too much stress and focus on study might trigger them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭Maguined


    Letree wrote: »
    I hope any young feminist that has been through the Irish education system and realises how much society now favours them in 2016 took 10 steps forward.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/trinity-students-take-privilege-walk-to-highlight-access-issues-1.2599225

    I doubt it as they choose the questions themselves so they phrase the privilege the way they want.
    They are aware that they may not be the first people you’d expected to meet, but they are here to make a point about “levelling playing fields”.

    All three are conscious that by getting a degree at TCD they are currently sucking up privilege themselves, so are happy to play this game of give and take.

    I wonder what they want to do to try and level a playing field. If your parents had books in your house growing up that is a point of privilege. How do they propose to address this? The current system is allowing the most qualified people attend and then they provide grants and funding programmes to allow those who are still talanted but not able to afford the cost to try and get in. If this approach is not good enough what are they actually proposing to level the playing fields even more?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 Doom Chicken


    Interesting article in the independent today about the physical test requirements for the gardaí

    “Fighting fit? Garda seeks fitter recruits in the battle against crime”

    Seems as though the requirements are being split for men and women … again

    "Male applicants will also be required to complete between 29 and 35 sit-ups in one minute, according to their age; while females will be required to complete between 25 and 30 sit-ups in one minute
    Furthermore, men will be required to complete between 22 and 25 press-ups, with no time restriction, while females will be required to complete between 18 and 20 push-ups."

    I thought this type of thing was done away with back in 2001 when the height restriction was removed …

    Now I know this is minor and because the difference is so minor I don’t see why an able bodied woman couldn’t pass the same physical requirements as men, I mean this isn’t SEAL training, its fairly basic.

    While you have to acknowledge that the physical strength of men and women are different the challenges they face on the street are the same therefore surely the requirements should be the same?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    Has the whole snowflake, feminist influenced, safe space generation thing crept into Irish Universities or is it just in the US?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    No
    Interesting article in the independent today about the physical test requirements for the gardaí

    “Fighting fit? Garda seeks fitter recruits in the battle against crime”

    Seems as though the requirements are being split for men and women … again

    Could be worse. For the army women don't even need to do real push ups.

    http://www.military.ie/en/careers/fitness-testing-centre/defence-forces-fitness-tests/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭orubiru


    Maguined wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/trinity-students-take-privilege-walk-to-highlight-access-issues-1.2599225

    I doubt it as they choose the questions themselves so they phrase the privilege the way they want.


    I wonder what they want to do to try and level a playing field. If your parents had books in your house growing up that is a point of privilege. How do they propose to address this? The current system is allowing the most qualified people attend and then they provide grants and funding programmes to allow those who are still talanted but not able to afford the cost to try and get in. If this approach is not good enough what are they actually proposing to level the playing fields even more?

    I was quite interested in the comment from the 2nd year history and economics student. “I’m not privileged, because I come from a Traveller background,” he says unequivocally.

    It's amazing to think that there is a young lad out there right now studying for a degree at Ireland's top university who honestly believes that he doesn't have privilege.

    I can imagine him walking past the homeless sleeping in doorways marvelling at the privileged lives these young white straight males must be living inside their makeshift cardboard abodes.

    If you are attending university at all then you are easily one of the most privileged members of our society.

    It's mind boggling to me that you could ask a 2nd year economics student if they are privileged and they would "unequivocally" say no.

    That's kind of depressing actually.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    This privilege thing is turning out a bit like the Caste system in India.

    In recent time some of the higher castes in India have been fighting to be declared lower caste. Why? Because then they are entitled to some extra benefits and may be affected by positive discrimination for some jobs, college places etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,176 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Are they really? Is there any evidence that this sort of thing is really that widespread or now considered the norm?

    Can't recall where but I did see something recently that indicated that it's not and that the majority of uni students these days aren't the coddled children they're increasingly being made out to be. Didn't surprise me; most of the time when you read this stuff it's from some small corner in the US. It's a big planet and if you're determined to find idiocy, the internet will facilitate. How many people go to university and how many cases like these are there?
    py2006 wrote: »
    Has the whole snowflake, feminist influenced, safe space generation thing crept into Irish Universities or is it just in the US?

    It's alive and well in the UK; more so in some of the London universities than elsewhere around the country perhaps at any rate, although also perhaps not quite as far gone as the apparent lunacy on offer in the US.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    So who is at the top of the privilege line?
    Ruane laughs. “Probably young males… middle-class... white….straight…able bodied….”

    Well that's me f**ked then. I think it's madness to make people feel bad (and no matter what they say that's what they are doing) about things that they cannot change. The only thing I could actually change there is able bodied, and naturally who is going to voluntarily hack off an arm or leg.

    I for one would refuse to take part in that crap. I should be judged on my personality, and for an university my academic and working history, not on what is between my legs, the colour of my skin, my parents wealth levels, or that I have been lucky enough not to have major deformities from birth or haven't been involved in serious accidents.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Was more looking for evidence that's a little less anecdotal, e.g.: http://www.knightfoundation.org/media/uploads/publication_pdfs/FreeSpeech_campus.pdf
    By 78% to 22%, more students say colleges should expose students to all types of
    speech and viewpoints than say colleges should prohibit biased or offensive speech in the
    furtherance of a positive learning environment. They are more likely than U.S. adults (66%) to
    say this.

    On the other hand...
    There is a real perception that campuses are not fully open environments. A slight majority of
    students, 54%, say the climate on their campus prevents some people from saying what they
    believe because others might find it offensive.

    Creeping influence of a noisy minority, or perception creating reality, perhaps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭TommyRiordan


    Not sure if it's been posted but these spring to mind;

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/26/people-are-going-crazy-for-this-handsome-police-officer-6092794/
    PSNI officer fawned over for his supposed good looks on social media doing the rounds. Correct me if I'm wrong but there would PSNI policewoman being fawned over on the same social media.

    Also 5 years, still not quotas over the wagegap here either?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37166043


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    I hate the way third wave feminism depicts all women as being weak hormonal creatures who need protection.

    My mother is one of the most fearsome individuals I've ever known. An individual who inflicted violence on both myself and my siblings. The roles were reversed in my household, my father was a good man but he was weaker than her and failed to protect us from her brutality.

    Women are capable of the very same evil as men. It often depends on the type mate they have.

    In our case I can safely say that our Dad was a beta male. A stronger male might have put a stop to the behaviour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,646 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    maybe
    In our case I can safely say that our Dad was a beta male. A stronger male might have put a stop to the behaviour.

    I was with you until this part. Why do we need to drop dopey Yank PUA words here? If the abuser was a male, would you use the same term on his wife who "let it happen?"

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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