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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Ah you all know that when it's confirmed you're gonna miss the buzz of not knowing and waiting :pac:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,800 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Nope
    When I think of younger me and the Gameboy, Snes, N64, GC and the rest, it isn't the expectation, the waiting for release and trawling magazines for any shall new detail that I remember, though I used to fill those things, it's the day I get new hardware in my hands that's most memorable, coupled with playing the launch games.
    And the rumors from "confirmed" sources are too contradictory now.
    Just need to see the format and games now, thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    sligeach wrote: »
    Ubisoft have games in development, 2 exclusive and coming out around the launch window. The first is Beyond Good & Evil 2.

    If this is false, I'm going to be very unhappy, it's not fair to toy with our dreams like that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,581 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Nope
    When I think of younger me and the Gameboy, Snes, N64, GC and the rest, it isn't the expectation, the waiting for release and trawling magazines for any shall new detail that I remember, though I used to fill those things, it's the day I get new hardware in my hands that's most memorable, coupled with playing the launch games.
    And the rumors from "confirmed" sources are too contradictory now.
    Just need to see the format and games now, thanks.

    Christmas day with the N64 and Goldeneye was nothing short of gaming bliss.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,800 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Christmas day with the N64 and Goldeneye was nothing short of gaming bliss.

    I was employed for all the hardware releases I bought into, Spectrum 48k aside.
    And I was lucky enough to buy the likes of the N64 on launch day and the GC from Japan upon release too.
    And they were sublime, and the Wii and WiiU retained that quality, though certainly with the Wii Nintendo had the good sense to launch a massive publicity campaign, even here, to explain the new format to people.
    I recall trying the machine out, months ahead of release at a Toys for Boys in the RDS and they had a kiosk in the Blanchardstown Centre.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭kevin2me


    CiDeRmAn The Buzz of queuing for Midnight launches, waiting XMas mornings or like you said getting a console from Japan months ahead of European releases!!

    I think my highlight for new hardware was playing the Wii for the first time at GamesCom in Germany, the Wii wasnt even on show floor they just held it up in Press Stage Conference.

    But I got myself in with VIP Pass and had private 1 on 1 Demos with Sega, Ubisoft and Nintendo themselves in Developers VIP Area. Playing Wii Sports, Duckhunt, Monkey Ball and Red Steel all behind closed doors was revolutionary.

    It was such innovation at the time, kudos for Nintendo for trying something new and it paid off 10 fold. Lets hope they can pull it off again with the NX. With Apple and Sony conferences this week and Tokyo Game Show, surely we will know reveal dates at least over next 10 days.

    Lets just hope no more delays and stays March 2017 and Nov 2016 launch delay was due to spec increase for NX.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,191 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Star Lord wrote: »
    If this is false, I'm going to be very unhappy, it's not fair to toy with our dreams like that!

    That one has been rumoured for a while now


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,800 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I've a good feeling, that the new machine will be, at once, both a new bold step and conventional, in terms of how people want to play it.
    This way it can capture the typical gaming dollar while also allowing those who are currently more invested in mobile or handheld gaming to make the leap.
    A console with enough power to compete with the current range of home consoles, to run multiplatform titles without compromise, this is base level stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭kevin2me


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    I've a good feeling, that the new machine will be, at once, both a new bold step and conventional, in terms of how people want to play it.

    Lets hope so, I know people hate gimmicks but I actually loved GamePad and Wii and 3DS with all their gimmicks, but its got to be a balanced with enough power too.

    Hopefully if its neither Nvidia X1 or X2 chip in it, but a custom chip that give X1 matching spec's to keep 3rd party games coming and ports.

    Seeing Samsung Gear VR lately, I wonder could that model be Nintendo's eventually step into VR too, simply detach side controllers from NX Tablet and insert it into VR Headset like you do with Note 7 and such. Just food for thought.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,800 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Maybe compatible with my Virtual Boy!
    Mario Tennis for everyone!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    The only way I'd see a VR presence in the console if it was brought out with the possibility of an upgrade down the line, I certainly can't see anything VR being on sale from day one from Nintendo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    Can't you all see that NX has already launched?

    NX is a rumour. Its a "game system" that is played in a whole new way. You dont need hardware or joysticks to feel imerse in a fantasy world, all you need is user generated content in form of rumors and discussion that keeps us playing it forever.

    Its the next step over Super Mario Maker and it has already conquered us all

    That's where we're at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    A very relevant article I came across in the past hour while we wait for NX news.
    Why Does Nintendo Hold Its Fans In Such Contempt?

    Nintendo is one of gaming’s true giants. A behemoth that’s existed since the early days of the industry, it’s a company with a rich history and a heap of prestige attached. Yet the way it behaves you wouldn’t think this was the case. In recent years the company has developed something of a nasty streak, hitting its fans hardest at a time when they really doesn’t have all that much to crow about. It’s nasty and it seems fans are beginning to take notice of just how out of touch the company really is with their wishes – and actively responding.

    Of course Nintendo isn’t actively out to frustrate its fans – but you wouldn’t know that from talking to those supporters. The company’s actions increasingly seem like that of an overprotective mother figure; attempting to dictate both the topic and tone of the conversation around it. At a time when fans are being given little to love about the company, it

    It’s the bizarre decision to give Animal Crossing a board game spin-off despite there being no demand for such a game. It’s a tactic the company’s been increasingly performing – as the recent Metroid Prime Federation Force attests too. For some reason delivering solid, core games at a time when fans haven’t been getting the kind of AAA gaming experiences they expect from Nintendo isn’t what they want to do. Instead the company would rather push out half-way houses and hope that it placates fans until whatever the Nintendo NX turns out to be lands.

    It’s the way Nintendo is so overly protective of its property that it won’t even allow Youtubers to use footage of their games without Nintendo’s permission. Let’s Plays are a grey area – but there’s no denying that they’ve given a spotlight to many games and helped to bring relevancy to titles that otherwise are forgotten. Yet awkwardly Nintendo has muscled its way into the scene, demanding revenue and a cut of the action – like a mafia boss demanding protection money. It’s hurt the company’s fans mostly – the dedicated Nintendo Let’s Play Community shrinking rapidly as fans are forced to go elsewhere. It’s just petty chump change but Nintendo has to have its slice – while other publishers and developers openly embrace the increased attention.

    But worst of all for me, it was the way Nintendo just seems to be outwardly trying to frustrate its fans. Throughout the recent 30th Anniversary of its Metroid series, supporters of the Metroid series were holding out that Nintendo would do something to acknowledge the event. Even a passing mention of the event on Twitter seemed too much for the company though, Nintendo instead failing to even acknowledge fans direct attempts to get the company on board. Yet as fans tried to celebrate the event; one fan project emerged designed to encapsulate the spirit of the series fanbase and give them something to rally around; AM2R. It only took Nintendo around 24 hours to land a DMCA claim at the servers and effectively close the project down.

    Of course Nintendo is well within its rights to attack such projects, but why do it then? Why not years ago when the project was still in its infancy? Why rip from fans the only thing they had to celebrate on one of Nintendo’s biggest franchises anniversary’s? It’s just cold and speaks volumes about the way Nintendo’s just don’t care about what their fans want’ as long as Nintendo can dictate the narrative it’s more than happy to have its cake and eat it.

    To those who say “it doesn’t matter”, it really does at a time when Nintendo hasn’t got much goodwill left with its fans. Actions like that feel nasty and vindictive in nature from the outside, in particular at a time when SEGA have openly embraced the fan-made game scene. It makes Nintendo’s legally right decision to shutter over 200 fan projects seem incredibly awkward and cold – why not work with the cream of this crop and deliver something more for fans? We’re not saying the likes No Mario’s Sky or Pokemon Uranium need to be embraced fully – but when it comes to games like AM2R – remakes that only improve a previously almost-unplayable game – there should be more care taken.

    Yet it appears that its customers are striking back. The recently released Metroid Prime Federation Force reportedly only sold just north of 4,000 units in Japan while failing to crack the UK’s Top 40 All-Format Sales chart. It’s the best possible response from fans as it hits the company where it hurts – in its pockets. Nintendo fans need to realise that the only way they’ll ever get what they want is if they vote with their wallets. Nintendo is a business and its fans need to remember this.

    All this comes at a terribly inconvenient time for Nintendo. The company has a new console coming up and its probably going to need its most hardcore fans to rally around that device if it has any realistic hopes of holding relevance in the wider conversation. Mainstream gamers are fleeting – as the ever falling number of Pokemon GO players attests too. It’s the hardcore fans that went out and supported the Wii U during its long droughts, the fans who rushed out to snap up Splatoon and turn it into Nintendo’s most successful new franchise since the early 2000’s that will ultimately bring the Nintendo NX its initial momentum.

    Nintendo needs to win those fans over and it needs to stop kicking fans hopes into touch. These guy are patiently waiting for Nintendo to release information about the Nintendo NX; the device that they’ll be rushing out to buy sometime in 2017. Yet if Nintendo believes that delivering spin-offs rather than core games, throwing copyright claims onto Youtube videos and treating its most hardcore fans with such little respect will ultimately pay off – it’s sadly mistaken.

    Things have to change and fans have taken that first step by rejecting Metroid Prime Federation Force. Perhaps Nintendo might finally listen to what they want – before they talk themselves out of the conversation entirely.

    http://www.screengurus.com/2016/09/06/nintendo-hold-fans-contempt/


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,800 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Personally, I can't wait for the inevitable threads in the main games forum

    NX, Dead on Arrival

    Nintendo NX, another kids console or just cr@p

    Nintendo, aren't they the same as Sega


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    Something something Nintendo should go third party.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    Following on from all of the semi-official reporting, rumours, predictions and thanks in part to sligeach's frequent news updates, I think we are finally closing in on what the NX will entail.



    29424858251_d637ce0266.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Something something Nintendo should go third party.

    That's not what the article says. It's pointing out fair criticisms of Nintendo that they need to right for the NX. I agree with all of it. It's so annoying when you think about the Wii U and how it's been handled towards the end, practically spat upon with just the odd mediocre title every few months if even that. The 3DS came out over a year and a half before Wii U yet just look at that 3DS Direct last week, new games galore while we Wii U owners got nothing. We didn't fail the Wii U, Nintendo failed us. I bought every game there is, multiple times even like Star Fox Zero, both the Collectors Edition and the regular version. And that game is awful, mainly because of its controls but there's other things like it's a very short game and has no online multiplayer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    The article is ok, it just basically puts criticisms of Nintendo together really, some fair, some not so. The comparison of Nintendo to SEGA not 'embracing' fans is very silly. Nintendo are quite robust with their properties but they always have been, people starting up these fan games, of which some are pretty cool, cannot expect anything else with other people's properties. There can be sentiment, there can be 'big bully Nintendo' type comments or they can be actually what it is. Some fair criticisms in the article of course, but nothing that others haven't put forward or said anyway. SEGA don't have too much on except retro sentiment, which I'm amazed is still as strong considering the pillaging of their mascot.

    Star Fox Zero is far from awful as well, it's a shame you didn't give the controls more than....well.....20 minutes. It's a bit short but it's a really good game, I don't think I read a single review that called it 'awful' or near. Just like amiibo, you can have no complaints if you don't like something and then still buy it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    sligeach wrote: »
    That's not what the article says. It's pointing out fair criticisms of Nintendo that they need to right for the NX. I agree with all of it. It's so annoying when you think about the Wii U and how it's been handled towards the end, practically spat upon with just the odd mediocre title every few months if even that. The 3DS came out over a year and a half before Wii U yet just look at that 3DS Direct last week, new games galore while we Wii U owners got nothing. We didn't fail the Wii U, Nintendo failed us. I bought every game there is, multiple times even like Star Fox Zero, both the Collectors Edition and the regular version. And that game is awful, mainly because of its controls but there's other things like it's a very short game and has no online multiplayer.

    I wasn't saying it in regards to the article, I was saying that in regard to what Cidey said about the inevitable threads :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭kevin2me


    Fanboys will argue Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft but often forget to look each company independently.
    Sure Wii U wasnt commercially a success compared to past hardware, it didnt help 3rd party left early, gamepad not fully utilised and no drop in price over its lifetime, software baron spells. But people forget Nintendo still made plenty of money from it albeit from hardware sales and 1st\2nd party titles.

    Will Us Top 10 Wii U game Sales top 50 million copies and it still to date out sold PS4 in Japan.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games
    Total Wii U games sold as of March 31, 2016: 84.04 million


    Not bad for one of Nintendo's biggest failures vs one of Sony's best market leading console.
    Wii U had many 4-5 million big sellers on a relatively small install base.
    Also lets not forget how well Nintendo turned around the 3DS fortunes.

    [font=Lato, sans-serif]Japan Sales July 2016 [/font]
    PS4 Total Sales: 3.02 Million
    Wii U Total Sales: 3.27 Million


    And for me forget the Stats, I loved the Wii U, I use it much more than my 360\PS3\PS4\X1 as its easy pick up and play. Which is where I believe the NX will shine for both casual and core gamers.

    I think Nintendo are extremely smart with the presumed NX concept,
    if they are combining both console\portable divisions and merging the consumer install base.
    The current 3DS\WiiU install base combined into one with NX will mean its easier to output games and guarantee larger install base. This should go down a treat in Japan where the best 3rd party devs reside, if they support NX, you can guarantee the west will follow.

    If the NX gets off the mark in year one, with good 1st party flow of titles, good sales lead to 3rd parties coming back. Then hopefully some of the big hitters we missed due to Wii U poor sales will return early on in NX lifecycle, killer Mario akin to Galaxy, Metroid Prime 4 and the up & coming Zelda.

    Plus we now we likely have the current 3DS\WiiU install base combined into one with NX.
    Meaning its easier to output games to 1 not 2 machines, it will be lower costs for both Nintendo and 3rd parties. Imagine Install Base NX vs PS4 if launched at the same time based off Currently released competitors.
    [font=Lato, sans-serif]
    Lifetime Sales Current Gen (Nintendo 73 Mil vs Sony 57 Mil vs Microsoft 20+ Mil)[/font]

    3DS 60 Million
    PS4 44 Million
    Wii U 13 Million
    Vita 13 Million
    Xbox One 20+ Million


    Its not all gloomy if look at bigger picture, Wii U will go down as great console for gamers regardless of sales and hopefully NX as a commercial hit for Nintendo.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Corholio wrote: »
    The article is ok, it just basically puts criticisms of Nintendo together really, some fair, some not so. The comparison of Nintendo to SEGA not 'embracing' fans is very silly. Nintendo are quite robust with their properties but they always have been, people starting up these fan games, of which some are pretty cool, cannot expect anything else with other people's properties. There can be sentiment, there can be 'big bully Nintendo' type comments or they can be actually what it is. Some fair criticisms in the article of course, but nothing that others haven't put forward or said anyway. SEGA don't have too much on except retro sentiment, which I'm amazed is still as strong considering the pillaging of their mascot.

    Star Fox Zero is far from awful as well, it's a shame you didn't give the controls more than....well.....20 minutes. It's a bit short but it's a really good game, I don't think I read a single review that called it 'awful' or near. Just like amiibo, you can have no complaints if you don't like something and then still buy it.

    Damn post didn't go through, now I've to retype it all again. I'd read the reviews and heard all the controversy about the controls. But you can only be sure once you've played the game yourself. And in my opinion, they're awful. The worst I've honestly experienced on any game. Would you become fluent in Japanese just to spend a few days there on holiday? I'm sorry that demo didn't come out prior to lauch. It would have plummeted sales even lower. Remember that photo I think someone posted it here of a shelf full of secondhand copies days after the game went on sale? I'm sorry too I spent just under €100 on it. Awful in so many ways.

    Anyway, back to NX. This photo is doing the rounds supposedly a leak of the final NX design along with a price of 39,999 Yen or $390 and a release date of 25th March 2017. Most likely fake but here it is regardless:
    nintendo_nx_design.jpg

    Final Nintendo NX Design Leaked?

    http://www.maxconsole.com/threads/final-nintendo-nx-design-leaked.42158/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    sligeach wrote: »

    Swap the circle pad with the buttons on the right hand side & it's okay I guess, the round controller gives me hand cramps just looking at it.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    My first thought on seeing the top picture was that it didn't look too bad, along with 'where's the rest of it for 400 quid?'. But yeah, the controller on it's own isn't great assuming it's any way accurate. Although with the device docked I'd be using the Wii-U Pro controller as much as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    The round controller setup reminded me of....
    simonsays-300x261.jpg

    .....for some strange reason. Probably the colours and the roundness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    sligeach wrote: »
    Damn post didn't go through, now I've to retype it all again. I'd read the reviews and heard all the controversy about the controls. But you can only be sure once you've played the game yourself. And in my opinion, they're awful. The worst I've honestly experienced on any game. Would you become fluent in Japanese just to spend a few days there on holiday? I'm sorry that demo didn't come out prior to lauch. It would have plummeted sales even lower. Remember that photo I think someone posted it here of a shelf full of secondhand copies days after the game went on sale? I'm sorry too I spent just under €100 on it. Awful in so many ways.

    Worst in any game you've played? Wow. But hey that's your opinion, fully entitled to it. You were already hammering it before you had played it, so I'm not really surprised either way. Fluent in Japanese takes a whole lot longer for a trip than these controls do, I'd question the effort if you still hadn't got used to them, a huge amount of reviews mention about how quickly they adapted to the controls once they got the hang of them.

    Also, the NX mockup was from a fake japanese Nintendo account. Debunked a few days ago almost straight away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Corholio wrote: »
    Also, the NX mockup was from a fake japanese Nintendo account. Debunked a few days ago almost straight away.

    Not possible, it only surfaced half a day ago. And a lot of sites are only now starting to pick up on it.

    http://wiiudaily.com/2016/09/new-mockup-shows-what-the-nintendo-nx-might-look-like/

    https://twitter.com/guythefighter/status/773129123455729664?p=v

    The above being the original Tweet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    sligeach wrote: »

    Actually you're right that it wasn't a few days ago. I knew it seemed familiar, I remember seeing it on neogaf.....it actually is two weeks old and was made by either someone on reddit or neogaf.

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=216059941&postcount=5339


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    That's hardly a debunk, in fact it's not. They just said similar to what you said but they've no image from back then to back up their post. Like I said anyway, it's probably fake so don't worry about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    sligeach wrote: »
    That's hardly a debunk, in fact it's not. They just said similar to what you said but they've no image from back then to back up their post. Like I said anyway, it's probably fake so don't worry about it.

    It's a good bit older than a few days, I'm 100% sure about that. They merged the threads in neogaf so lot harder to read back through, but the websites are definitely very late picking up that image.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,191 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    If that is the final design, I agree that the controller only pictures look bad. They look really uncomfortable and you'd be stretching your thumb to reach the analogue sticks with or without the screen. Considering the Japanese have smaller hands than us, on average, I wouldn't see this getting past the testing phase.


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