what other things cause cancer do you reckon?

seamusk84 · 27-08-2016 7:03am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Diesel car emissions, lucky our sensible government encouraged their use through low taxation and fuel duty so now over 2 in every 3 cars sold are diesel :rolleyes:

whats more poisonous petrol or diesel vehicles?

Diesel fumes are far worse for human health than petrol.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/27/diesel-engine-fumes-worse-petrol

The problem is our Government has been pushing the diesel car for years now which will lead to a spike in lung cancer in the cities in the coming years.
The link between lung cancer and diesel fumes is widely recognised and is the reason places like Paris are trying to outlaw Diesel engined private cars by 2020.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/11280067/London-will-follow-Paris-and-ban-diesel-cars-campaigners-warn.html

In short- if you cycle in Dublin city you should wear one of those filter masks.

Undercover Elephant · 27-08-2016 7:55am

seamusk84 wrote: »

In short- if you cycle in Dublin city you should wear one of those filter masks.

Do you breathe different air if you're inside a car?

shamrock2004 · 27-08-2016 8:03am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

we have all heard about the dangers of smoking and that it can give you cancer but I wonder how many other have ever pondered and thought about other things we ingest or are subjected to on a daily basis - do you reckon theres any truth in it?

heres my (crackpot maybe) take on it:

We spray deodorants and perfumes, shaving foam, soaps, make-up and moisturisers and god knows what else into our skins, and washing powders and softener that goes onto your clothes and then them chemicals seeping in through your skin as you wear them ... now what if all those chemicals seep in through your skin , then go in your blood stream - I dunno, I suppose (if our kidneys are working ok) we pee all the chemicals out and we are OK.

Then we ingest vegetables that have been sprayed with god knows what and eat processed (not natural) food on a regular basis most of us.

And thats without all the radio waves, mobile phone masts , overhead electricity powerlines etc and cars and other vehicles pumping out toxic fumes.

But I does sort of like makes you have another take on maybe why people who have never smoked at all in their lives get cancer doesnt it?

If there is truth in any of this or is there any way apart from living on a desert Ireland and not using any soaps or anything to try and avoid cancer?

I dont fret about it personally, but Im just saying it does make you think ..... dont you think?

Forget about your deodorants / perfumes / vegetables. Its been reported that the effects of stress on the body are as bad as smoking and smoking gives you cancer.

shamrock2004 · 27-08-2016 8:06am

learn_more wrote: »

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SEPT 23 1989 · 27-08-2016 8:26am

Microwaving food

Sam Kade · 27-08-2016 8:30am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Only my take... But in about 20 years or so something will be proven to cause cancer that we haven't a single clue about right now.

If only scientists could be as sure about what causes cancer as they are about the cause of climate change we would all live longer.

seamusk84 · 27-08-2016 8:44am

Undercover Elephant wrote: »

seamusk84 wrote: »

In short- if you cycle in Dublin city you should wear one of those filter masks.

Do you breathe different air if you're inside a car?

Cars have air filters. Better than nothing.

Undercover Elephant · 27-08-2016 8:50am

Sam Kade wrote: »

If only scientists could be as sure about what causes cancer as they are about the cause of climate change we would all live longer.

I'm sure the comparison is intended to be provocative, but even with a better idea of the causes of cancer I'm not sure it would make much difference. We know that poor diet, alcohol, smoking and lack of exercise are the major risk factors for a whole raft of diseases, but many people still don't fix them.

Leogirl · 27-08-2016 10:11am

In my case it was simply hormones. Can't really do much to avoid them :-)

ScumLord · 27-08-2016 10:17am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

you reckon they will ever really come up with a cure for Cancer though - I mean you imagine how many people would stand to loose their jobs that are in Cancer research and the drugs companies as well

Nano technology will allow doctors to target individual cells in the future. In the future we'll probably have an army of them inside us that can attack cancerous cells as they pop up. I don't think we'll ever really be able to totally prevent cancer from happening, especially when cells have to be continually replicating themselves. It's really not surprising that over the course of billions of cloning procedures there are some mistakes. In reality it's a wonder it doesn't happen more often.

hairyslug · 27-08-2016 10:18am

My mother and dad both smoke and drank as much as each other, she died of lung cancer, my dad died of pneumonia but was nearly 20 years older than her. While certain life choices increase your chances, everybody's body deals with it differently

Hans Bricks · 27-08-2016 10:26am

Why bother worrying about every cause of cancer ? Are you really gonna change your lifestyle that drastically every time you read a scaremongering article or news story ?

Eating red meat, consuming alcohol, breathing in proximity to diesel cars now apparently, sitting down too long, genetic inheritance ... it goes on and on and on.

Bar not smoking and having a balanced diet, what else can you possibly do to defend against it without impeding a quality of life ?

cbyrd · 27-08-2016 11:51am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

you reckon they will ever really come up with a cure for Cancer though - I mean you imagine how many people would stand to loose their jobs that are in Cancer research and the drugs companies as well

There's no money to be made from curing cancer or any other disease. There's tons of money to me made from pumping cancer causing drugs to cure cancer.. hence the 5 year cancer free limit on 'cures'.

One of the biggest causes is an acidic body. Cancer thrives in this environment and one of the worst foods for this is dairy.
There will never be a cure for cancer. Its too big an industry now.

Wibbs · 27-08-2016 1:12pm

picturehangup wrote: »

This week they were suggesting that there was a link between wind players and cancer, due to toxic substances gradually building up inside the instrument, which in turn could be causing a potential carcinogenic effect on the performer. I think there is something in it.

As a kid I remember watching UK TV presenter Roy Castle and he was diagnosed with lung cancer and at the time they linked it with him playing the trumpet in smokey jazz clubs for years. He was a lifetime non smoker. Now with the suggestion that the instrument itself might be a risk it may have added to it.

Undercover Elephant · 27-08-2016 1:37pm

cbyrd wrote: »

There will never be a cure for cancer. Its too big an industry now.

This just doesn't make sense. The biotech / pharma industry isn't some monolith. It's lots of competing companies. If anyone could find an effective cure they would be the first mover and make a pile of money. The losses to every other player would not be their concern.

Look at Vertex. They found a cure for some forms of cystic fibrosis. They're able to charge a hundred grand a pop and it's still good value. The companies who treat CF without curing it are just going to have to suck it up.

Moo Moo Land · 27-08-2016 1:49pm

Stress.

Stress causes a huge amount of health problems.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-08-2016 1:50pm

picturehangup wrote: »

This week they were suggesting that there was a link between wind players and cancer, due to toxic substances gradually building up inside the instrument, which in turn could be causing a potential carcinogenic effect on the performer. I think there is something in it.

A more direct link is fungal spores from damp dark insides of instruments

https://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/2016/aug/23/bagpipe-lung-a-new-name-for-a-very-old-disease

Capt'n Midnight · 27-08-2016 2:01pm

uch wrote: »

I can fit 4 old 2p's up each nostril

:eek:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twopence_(British_pre-decimal_coin)
Mass 56.7 g (2 oz)
Diameter 41 mm (1.6 in)

Andy From Sligo · 28-08-2016 12:14am

Wibbs wrote: »

As a kid I remember watching UK TV presenter Roy Castle and he was diagnosed with lung cancer and at the time they linked it with him playing the trumpet in smokey jazz clubs for years. He was a lifetime non smoker. Now with the suggestion that the instrument itself might be a risk it may have added to it.

Yes I remember him/that news and how they said it was probably caused by second hand smoke inhalation ... imagine if it was this thing thats found in instruments after all

Andy From Sligo · 28-08-2016 12:16am

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Stress.

Stress causes a huge amount of health problems.

yep , i believe the link there too

uch · 28-08-2016 12:21am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

:eek:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twopence_(British_pre-decimal_coin)
Mass 56.7 g (2 oz)
Diameter 41 mm (1.6 in)

Doest Thou doubt me ?

Andy From Sligo · 28-08-2016 12:23am

Sam Kade wrote: »

If only scientists could be as sure about what causes cancer as they are about the cause of climate change we would all live longer.

scientists arent sure what causes climate change ... they just make it up as they go along :pac:

I wish this Global Warming would hurry the feck up, on the whole this 'summer' outside temps has been bleeding freezing most of the time!

uch · 28-08-2016 12:23am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Yes I remember him/that news and how they said it was probably caused by second hand smoke inhalation ... imagine if it was this thing thats found in instruments after all

I found a thing in my Instrument today

Andy From Sligo · 28-08-2016 12:28am

seamusk84 wrote: »

Cars have air filters. Better than nothing.

Not all cars are fitted with Pollen/cabin Filters I believe just the posh ones at a higher price and that have air conditioning ... us poor feckers with our cheap/ basic or old motor cars can just feck off and die with car fumes being sucked into the car

Andy From Sligo · 28-08-2016 12:31am

uch wrote: »

I found a thing in my Instrument today

you can get an anti-biotic for that these days

gctest50 · 28-08-2016 3:17am

ScumLord wrote: »

Nano technology will allow doctors to target individual cells in the future. In the future we'll probably have an army of them inside us that can attack cancerous cells as they pop up. I don't think we'll ever really be able to totally prevent cancer from happening, especially when cells have to be continually replicating themselves. It's really not surprising that over the course of billions of cloning procedures there are some mistakes. In reality it's a wonder it doesn't happen more often.

Mind-controlled nanobotz

Recorded EEG patterns are recognized online by an algorithm, which in turn controls the state of an electromagnetic field.

The field induces the local heating of billions of mechanically-actuating DNA origami robots tethered to metal nanoparticles, leading to their reversible activation and subsequent exposure of a bioactive payload.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161227

Winterlong · 28-08-2016 8:49am

failinis wrote: »

I think you could join Kneemos for a twin thread.

Best idea ever!

Chuchote · 28-08-2016 8:58am

Car pollution and health:

http://phys.org/news/2016-08-traffic-bad.html

If we could change to a mostly-cycling culture with good public transport our hospitals would be crying out for patients!

Widdershins · 28-08-2016 10:37am

Any comparison between traffic fumes and cigarette smoke?

D0NNELLY · 28-08-2016 10:40am

Plastic food packaging.

Chuchote · 28-08-2016 10:43am

Widdershins wrote: »

Any comparison between traffic fumes and cigarette smoke?

Dunno, you'd have to Google that for yourself. I do know that when researchers like Doll & Hill first went looking for a reason for lung cancer having become a common illness, when it had been very rare, they assumed that either car pollution or working with tars on roads were going to be a big factor. The researchers were astonished when they found that smoking, which had been thought to be quite healthy, came up as a huge factor both for lung cancer and for heart disease.

YFlyer · 28-08-2016 11:01am

Undercover Elephant wrote: »

I'm sure the comparison is intended to be provocative, but even with a better idea of the causes of cancer I'm not sure it would make much difference. We know that poor diet, alcohol, smoking and lack of exercise are the major risk factors for a whole raft of diseases, but many people still don't fix them.

They are waiting for Western style medicine to find the so call magic bullet. Taken no responsibility in their own health.

Widdershins · 28-08-2016 11:08am

Chuchote wrote: »

Dunno, you'd have to Google that for yourself. I do know that when researchers like Doll & Hill first went looking for a reason for lung cancer having become a common illness, when it had been very rare, they assumed that either car pollution or working with tars on roads were going to be a big factor. The researchers were astonished when they found that smoking, which had been thought to be quite healthy, came up as a huge factor both for lung cancer and for heart disease.

Yes, considering people had smoked for a long time before the '50's, I'm not surprised they were surprised.

YFlyer · 28-08-2016 11:11am

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Stress.

Stress causes a huge amount of health problems.

Totally agree. Meditation, yoga or tai chi chuan would help those with stress immensely.

Chuchote · 28-08-2016 11:13am

Widdershins wrote: »

Yes, considering people had smoked for a long time before the '50's, I'm not surprised they were surprised.

Doll & Hill did a follow-up study over several years using doctors. When the results came out, it had a stunning effect - it was immediately no longer the norm for doctors to smoke; virtually every doctor gave up cigarettes (doctors having before that been a heavy-smoking part of the population).

It's famous as one of the major changes over a wide population as the result of research.

gctest50 · 28-08-2016 11:18am

The tobacco itself may have changed over the years though, maybe they used better ( not so radioactive ) fertiliser back then

http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/14/1/79

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223330887_Alpha_radioactivity_in_tobacco_leaves_Effect_of_fertilizers

Chuchote · 28-08-2016 11:22am

People just smoked less. For instance, in 1900s it was normal for a man to go to his smoking room in his smoking jacket and smoking cap to smoke a pipe. One pipe fill.

During World War I men took to smoking cigarettes, which had been only for women before that, and for rather daring women at that. By the 1940s, heavy smoking was common.

Widdershins · 28-08-2016 11:22am

gctest50 wrote: »

The tobacco itself may have changed over the years though, maybe they used better ( not so radioactive ) fertiliser back then

http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/14/1/79

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223330887_Alpha_radioactivity_in_tobacco_leaves_Effect_of_fertilizers

Just tobacco at first, I suppose.

Andy From Sligo · 28-08-2016 1:31pm

plus the cigarettes of years ago had no filter tips in them didnt they? i think filter tips came in the 60's or maybe 50's didnt they? - i still see the odd person smoke fags recently without tips in them or have seen them rip the filter tip off and smoke it. when my brother was growing up he smoked those menthol fags ... and bought them from the chemist i think!

Widdershins · 28-08-2016 1:34pm

I think there are many things in our environments that cause cancer and other illnesses and someday we will look back on them in the same way we look at baby cots and toys being painted with lead paint in the past. OP already mentions some of them in the OP.

captbarnacles · 28-08-2016 2:05pm

cbyrd wrote: »

There's no money to be made from curing cancer or any other disease. There's tons of money to me made from pumping cancer causing drugs to cure cancer.. hence the 5 year cancer free limit on 'cures'.

One of the biggest causes is an acidic body. Cancer thrives in this environment and one of the worst foods for this is dairy.
There will never be a cure for cancer. Its too big an industry now.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

YFlyer · 28-08-2016 2:13pm

Chuchote wrote: »

Doll & Hill did a follow-up study over several years using doctors. When the results came out, it had a stunning effect - it was immediately no longer the norm for doctors to smoke; virtually every doctor gave up cigarettes (doctors having before that been a heavy-smoking part of the population).

It's famous as one of the major changes over a wide population as the result of research.

Over 40% of Spanish doctors smoked during the time when Ireland banned smoking indoors.

Just a job to them.

Andy From Sligo · 28-08-2016 2:38pm

D0NNELLY wrote: »

Plastic food packaging.

there was that research was it last year or the year before I cant remember, but they found that the plastic cancer causing chemicals of the plastic of bottled water were leeching into the water, and that it was elevated when leaving your bottled water in sunlight or say on the dashboard -

Really shows you that even if you go down the route and give up smoking because your worried about cancer , you could still possibly get it from a lot of other sources these days. As someone said on here you cannot 'give up' everything, life wouldnt be worth living

Widdershins · 28-08-2016 3:04pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

there was that research was it last year or the year before I cant remember, but they found that the plastic cancer causing chemicals of the plastic of bottled water were leeching into the water, and that it was elevated when leaving your bottled water in sunlight or say on the dashboard -

Really shows you that even if you go down the route and give up smoking because your worried about cancer , you could still possibly get it from a lot of other sources these days. As someone said on here you cannot 'give up' everything, life wouldnt be worth living

Microwaved plastic food containers were implicated too, I think.

Chuchote · 28-08-2016 3:12pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

plus the cigarettes of years ago had no filter tips in them didnt they? i think filter tips came in the 60's or maybe 50's didnt they? - i still see the odd person smoke fags recently without tips in them or have seen them rip the filter tip off and smoke it. when my brother was growing up he smoked those menthol fags ... and bought them from the chemist i think!

Smoking is still the biggest cause of lung cancer and heart disease by a long way.

Ben Gadot · 28-08-2016 3:24pm

My oul fella only smoked the occasional cigar but still died of lung cancer. That being said for all the time that I knew him his lungs never seemed the best. Nothing debilitating like but used to get nasty coughing fits.

My answer anyway would be that I think the causes are one and too many to actively counter, from environment to diet to genes.

The best way to counteract cancer is being active in your own health. More regular thorough check ups seem to be the in thing now. By the time my oul lad was diagnosed it was too late, bloody thing was in his lungs for at least 9 months we were told.

You'd be amazed at what even a mere blood test could reveal, so yeah, I think for now it's better to worry less about cause and worry more about getting ourselves checked.

Chuchote · 28-08-2016 3:26pm

True, but I've had much-loved pets that died of cancer. It's a disease. Mammals - and other animals, and plants - get it.

That said, anyone who smokes, since the studies linked it irrevocably to lung cancer and heart disease, is asking for illness.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-08-2016 3:26pm

Good luck avoiding cosmic rays even hiding under half a mile of rock won't save you.

Galwayguy35 · 28-08-2016 3:55pm

Cancer seems to run in families so I think if a family member got it there's a good chance you will also.

Prostate cancer killed 2 of my uncles so that's one for me to be keeping an eye on.

IamtheWalrus · 28-08-2016 5:40pm

Stomach cancer in mine. Terrified.

what other things cause cancer do you reckon?

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