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Steven Avery (making a murderer) Guilty or innocent?

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  • #512
    paleoperson
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    Is it really worth watching this whole series for one case? I like crime analysis, but a whole series for a single crime? Even 1 hour shows for one crime seem a bit on the lengthy side to me. One would think you could nearly read/skim all documents and absolutely everything there is to know about a crime in that time.


  • #513
    [Deleted User]
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    smash wrote: »
    Magic tests? You think DNA tests are magic?

    The post didn't say anything about DNA tests.


  • #514
    [Deleted User]
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    paleoperson wrote: »
    Is it really worth watching this whole series for one case? I like crime analysis, but a whole series for a single crime? Even 1 hour shows for one crime seem a bit on the lengthy side to me. One would think you could nearly read/skim all documents and absolutely everything there is to know about a crime in that time.

    No, absolutely not.
    Horrendous dragged out conspiracy theory.
    Could have been in a one hour documentary


  • #515
    smash
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    The post didn't say anything about DNA tests.
    No, but his attorney's statements have.
    bubblypop wrote: »
    No, absolutely not.
    Horrendous dragged out conspiracy theory.
    Could have been in a one hour documentary

    Except evidence proves it's not a conspiracy.


  • #516
    [Deleted User]
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    smash wrote: »
    Except evidence proves it's not a conspiracy.

    Well no, it hasn't, not yet.


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  • #517
    trashcan
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    Noo wrote: »
    The persecution refused, .

    Freudian slip ? :p


  • #518
    smash
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Well no, it hasn't, not yet.
    Well if you're not interested in reading the reports or the brief that will back up the assertion of evidence along with the statements from Avery's solicitor that she has evidence and along with the overturning of the Dassey conviction and damning reports from a judge about police and prosecution misconduct then I'd ask you to try some common sense but I think I'd be wasting my breath.


  • #519
    [Deleted User]
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    smash wrote: »
    Well if you're not interested in reading the reports or the brief that will back up the assertion of evidence along with the statements from Avery's solicitor that she has evidence and along with the overturning of the Dassey conviction and damning reports from a judge about police and prosecution misconduct then I'd ask you to try some common sense but I think I'd be wasting my breath.

    I think I will wait until it's produced in court & the court had ruled on it.
    Until then it hasn't been proved


  • #520
    anothernight
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    paleoperson wrote: »
    Is it really worth watching this whole series for one case? I like crime analysis, but a whole series for a single crime? Even 1 hour shows for one crime seem a bit on the lengthy side to me. One would think you could nearly read/skim all documents and absolutely everything there is to know about a crime in that time.

    Making a Murderer is something you watch as entertainment, not as a way to get information about a case. With that in mind, yes, it is a very compelling documentary and well worth watching. I mean, there's a reason it's got 97% on Rotten Tomatoes.

    I'm not sure why bubblypop hates everything about it so much tbh. That level of hate is a bit disturbing imo.


  • #521
    anothernight
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    paleoperson wrote: »
    What do you mean "as entertainment", a documentary is a way of portraying real life events, of course it's a way to get information about it.

    "as entertainment".

    I mean that you could easily spend hours and days reading all the information there is about it (transcripts and documents, not articles and Reddit), and get more informed that way. But if you want to know about the case in quite a lot of detail while still being entertained, the documentary is well worth watching. There's a lot missing in it because it's 10 years edited down to 10 hours, but contrary to what Kratz and bubblypop say, a lot of what's missing actually points at Avery being innocent.

    You shouldn't watch a documentary as your only source of information about anything really. They're just a handy and hopefully fun way of learning a bit about something.

    EDIT: Well, at least I hope most people don't watch documentaries as their primary source of information. But it would explain a lot of things...


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  • #522
    paleoperson
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    okay I understand. I just wouldn't consider anything like that as entertainment, since it's true and serious. I deleted my post because I thought it sounded a bit snippy.


  • #523
    anothernight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭anothernight


    paleoperson wrote: »
    okay I understand. I just wouldn't consider anything like that as entertainment, since it's true and serious. I deleted my post because I thought it sounded a bit snippy.

    Nah you're grand. But now it looks like I'm talking to myself. :P

    Honestly though, it's a very well made documentary. I didn't think I'd watch all the episodes because 10 hours seems like a long time to be discussing a single case, but after the first episode or two it made sense that it was presented in ten episodes.

    You can always read the transcripts themselves though. I wouldn't bother with articles about the case because they always go to one extreme or the other, and let's face it, even if it turns out that he's innocent, Avery is no angel.


  • #524
    J Mysterio
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    Brendan Dassey's conviction has already been overturned.


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