Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

First Up · 25-08-2016 08:39PM

PokeHerKing wrote:

How long ago would lowry have decided to play in Denmark? Was the decision made after last week or before?

I understand he withdrew from the Barclays a few weeks ago and then tried to change his mind after his finish last week meant he couldn't qualify for the RC by right. In the end he stuck with his commitment to play in Denmark but I suspect his heart isn't it. He must know he has no chance of a pick.

PokeHerKing · 25-08-2016 09:41PM

First Up wrote:

I understand he withdrew from the Barclays a few weeks ago and then tried to change his mind after his finish last week meant he couldn't qualify for the RC by right. In the end he stuck with his commitment to play in Denmark but I suspect his heart isn't it. He must know he has no chance of a pick.

Makes less sense the more I think about it. Just burning money for no reason.

First Up · 25-08-2016 10:08PM

PokeHerKing wrote:

Makes less sense the more I think about it. Just burning money for no reason.

Yes; don't know what he was thinking or who was advising him. Surely he realised he had little or no chance of a pick no matter how he did in Denmark. I can't imagine his sponsors are impressed with him skipping the Barclays.

He has plenty of Ryder Cups to play in. If he misses out on the Fedex as well it will cap a really dumb set of decisions. I would have hoped that Clarke would have told him straight and encouraged him to stay in the US.

Minderbinder · 26-08-2016 12:43AM

First Up wrote: »

Yes; don't know what he was thinking or who was advising him. Surely he realised he had little or no chance of a pick no matter how he did in Denmark. I can't imagine his sponsors are impressed with him skipping the Barclays.

He has plenty of Ryder Cups to play in. If he misses out on the Fedex as well it will cap a really dumb set of decisions. I would have hoped that Clarke would have told him straight and encouraged him to stay in the US.

I don't think so. Lowry is a grown man and should know better than to prioritize the Ryder Cup ahead of his own career. I actually feel like not going to the Olympics and the flak he got for that may have influenced his decision to go to Denmark this week as he wanted to get his patriotic kicks from the Ryder Cup instead.

He should have gone to Rio in hindsight. It was more his level at present. He is not a dependable golfer in the last couple of years and his matchplay record is fairly atrocious. Clarke would be insane to pick him. I now fear for his position in the top 50 of the rankings, whether he qualifies for next week or not.

But knowing Shane, he will probably pull a performance out of the bag before the end of the year in an end to justify the means.

First Up · 26-08-2016 07:20AM

Minderbinder wrote:

I don't think so. Lowry is a grown man and should know better than to prioritize the Ryder Cup ahead of his own career. I actually feel like not going to the Olympics and the flak he got for that may have influenced his decision to go to Denmark this week as he wanted to get his patriotic kicks from the Ryder Cup instead.

Of course it was Lowry's responsibility and decision and of course Clarke has other things to be doing. Its just that you would think there's enough back channels in the golf scene for Lowry to get the picture, even if he couldn't figure it out for himself.

I doubt the Olympics had anything to do with it but who knows what he was thinking.

PokeHerKing · 26-08-2016 08:45AM

There's just no scenario were it would have made sense to play in Denmark.

Finish 4th or better last week and qualify on merit. Don't and you're relying on a pick.

Doing well in the Barclay's would surely make you more appealing as a pick than doing well in Denmark?

Add in the money and rest of the playoffs and I'm really struggling to understand how he came to the decision.

But as much as I'd love to be Lowry, I ain't! So carry on Shane!

AGC · 26-08-2016 09:12AM

Minderbinder wrote: »

He should have gone to Rio in hindsight. It was more his level at present. He is not a dependable golfer in the last couple of years and his matchplay record is fairly atrocious. Clarke would be insane to pick him. I now fear for his position in the top 50 of the rankings, whether he qualifies for next week or not.

:eek::eek::eek:

Last year was by far and away his best year on tour, getting himself into the worlds top 20 and winning a world golf championship and well over €2 million.

His form this year has not been good but still has a second in the US Open.

IMO he should not have withdrawn from the Barclays until the latest moment and waited to see if Denmark was worth the trip.

PokeHerKing · 26-08-2016 11:09AM

Needs a few more birdies coming home to make the cut

AGC · 26-08-2016 11:17AM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Needs a few more birdies coming home to make the cut

1 should 2 for sure.

Playing the short par 5 now

PokeHerKing · 26-08-2016 12:11PM

Good man Shane, -2 now with 1 to play. Good run of birdies.

Wonder does Shane know something we don't about playing over there this week!

charlieIRL · 26-08-2016 12:22PM

Much better today alright. Lot over par but still a lot of players to go out. Wonder will the cut stay at level par.

abff · 26-08-2016 01:58PM

charlieIRL wrote: »

Much better today alright. Lot over par but still a lot of players to go out. Wonder will the cut stay at level par.

Fair dues to Shane for coveting his last 12 holes in 6 under. Two really strong rounds over the weekend and you never know.

Currently 19 people tied for 55th on level par. Cut line could go to 1 over or 1 under depending on the weather this afternoon but most likely outcome is that it will stay at level par. Much needed chance for Peter Lawrie to pick up a few bob if it stays at level par or over.

spacecoyote · 26-08-2016 02:47PM

charlieIRL wrote: »

Much better today alright. Lot over par but still a lot of players to go out. Wonder will the cut stay at level par.

Its a good example that us amateurs should take when we are beating ourselves up because we scored 38 points last week & 28 this week.

These guys are doing this for living & having a 10 shot swing day on day (think Furyks was something like 16 shots between his best & worst round when he shot the 58)

abff · 26-08-2016 04:17PM

Cut looks almost certain to go out to 1 over at this stage.

bigtimecharlie · 28-08-2016 09:40PM

He's sure to be outside the Top100 for next week on the FedEx playoff's.

BigChap1759 · 28-08-2016 09:45PM

bigtimecharlie wrote: »

He's sure to be outside the Top100 for next week on the FedEx playoff's.

Where did u hear that??

HighLine · 28-08-2016 09:49PM

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Where did u hear that??

It's what the projected standings are giving.

I'm sure he might regret his decisions when he is sitting at home next weekend missing out on a massive tournament he should have been playing in.

bigtimecharlie · 28-08-2016 09:49PM

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Where did u hear that??

Live projected on www.pgatour.com, http://www.pgatour.com/fedexcup/projected-standings.html

Rikand · 29-08-2016 01:22AM

He dropped 15 places by not playing. Probably wasnt expecting that

abff · 29-08-2016 10:27AM

Rikand wrote: »

He dropped 15 places by not playing. Probably wasnt expecting that

While he was unlucky, it was an unnecessary chance he took, particularly as he had no chance of getting an automatic spot in the Ryder Cup team.

It reminds me of when Christy O'Connor Jr took the week off in the final qualifying event for the Ryder Cup, thinking he had done enough to qualify automatically for the team. Due to a freak combination of results, he missed out by around €100 (or was it £?) and didn't get a captain's pick.

First Up · 29-08-2016 10:30AM

abff wrote: »

While he was unlucky, it was an unnecessary chance he took, particularly as he had no chance of getting an automatic spot in the Ryder Cup team.

Unlucky? He took a huge risk and paid the price. A really bad error of judgement all round.

abff · 29-08-2016 10:37AM

First Up wrote: »

Unlucky? He took a huge risk and paid the price. A really bad error of judgement all round.

I totally agree. I thought that was more or less what I said in my post.

As someone said earlier in this thread, his decision making in recent months appears to have been very poor - including skipping the Olympics.

Maybe this latest debacle will act as a wake up call.

Adiaga 2 · 29-08-2016 10:53AM

abff wrote: »

While he was unlucky, it was an unnecessary chance he took, particularly as he had no chance of getting an automatic spot in the Ryder Cup team.

It reminds me of when Christy O'Connor Jr took the week off in the final qualifying event for the Ryder Cup, thinking he had done enough to qualify automatically for the team. Due to a freak combination of results, he missed out by around €100 (or was it £?) and didn't get a captain's pick.

It was Eamonn Darcy this happened to in 1991. He had a great season but skipped the German Open(last qualifying event) and missed out on an automatic spot to David Gilford by something like £58.

Very poor decision by Lowry. Really feel for him. Hopefully he can put it behind him and finish off the season strongly.

First Up · 29-08-2016 11:01AM

Adiaga 2 wrote:

Very poor decision by Lowry. Really feel for him. Hopefully he can put it behind him and finish off the season strongly.

But completely his own fault so my sympathy is limited.

abff · 29-08-2016 11:17AM

Adiaga 2 wrote: »

It was Eamonn Darcy this happened to in 1991. He had a great season but skipped the German Open(last qualifying event) and missed out on an automatic spot to David Gilford by something like £58.

Very poor decision by Lowry. Really feel for him. Hopefully he can put it behind him and finish off the season strongly.

That's what I get for not checking my facts. I had a figure of £59 in my head for some reason and that wasn't far off.

If I recall correctly, Darcy gave exhaustion after playing several weeks in a row as his reason for not playing. Clearly, this wasn't the reason for Shane's strange decision. I'm not sure what's happened to Shane since he finished joint 2nd in the US Open. Maybe the disappointment of losing a four shot lead has scrambled his brains to some extent.

30-08-2016 12:17PM

abff wrote: »

If I recall correctly, Darcy gave exhaustion after playing several weeks in a row as his reason for not playing. Clearly, this wasn't the reason for Shane's strange decision. I'm not sure what's happened to Shane since he finished joint 2nd in the US Open. Maybe the disappointment of losing a four shot lead has scrambled his brains to some extent.

I think this has hit him hard, he must realize he threw away what might have been his only chance of a major.

Plus if the negative thoughts creep in, he might think that no matter what he achieves in golf there should be another US Open in his list of wins.

But to have got this far in his career I think he has the positive attitude and mental strength to ditch this kind of thinking and move on.

sky88 · 01-09-2016 09:32AM

I think it has to be the disappointment of the us open has messed with his head somewhat. His season just fell apart after and didnnt deserve a pick at the minute. Either did westwood or kaymer really but thats a whole other story.

First Up · 02-09-2016 08:54AM

sky88 wrote: »

I think it has to be the disappointment of the us open has messed with his head somewhat. His season just fell apart after and didnnt deserve a pick at the minute. Either did westwood or kaymer really but thats a whole other story.

From his article in yesterday's Irish Times, I think its safe to conclude that his head was/is somewhat messed up. I genuinely don't know how he ever thought he had a chance of an RC pick and I would still be critical of Clarke for not making that clear to him ages ago.

He is now taking five weeks off, which seems another curious response to disappointment. I know he likes going to GAA matches but that's a bit much.

vienne86 · 02-09-2016 09:41AM

First Up wrote: »

From his article in yesterday's Irish Times, I think its safe to conclude that his head was/is somewhat messed up. I genuinely don't know how he ever thought he had a chance of an RC pick and I would still be critical of Clarke for not making that clear to him ages ago.

He is now taking five weeks off, which seems another curious response to disappointment. I know he likes going to GAA matches but that's a bit much.

I didn't read that article yesterday, but taking five weeks off sounds daft to me. He's obviously decided to put this season behind him, but I presume his world ranking is doing to drop.

Rikand · 02-09-2016 09:47AM

I think 5 weeks off is a good move. He played a lot in the states this year and is evidently golfed out of it. He's more than entitled to a break and if he comes back from it refreshed then all the better

Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

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