Increasing costs of running shoes.

jamule · 25-08-2016 10:39AM

RuMan wrote: »

What does "superior cushioning" actually mean ? Also why do you need arch support ? is there something wrong with your arches ? If so I'd suggest working on fixing that problem.

it means their marketing dept was hard at work to come up with something.

And yes fixing the problem is the answer, not any easy one by all means.

Cushioning may protect one issue but by doing so can cause other issues.

ThisRegard · 25-08-2016 10:52AM

Is there any way to fix arch problems other than to provide support within a shoe?

Krusty_Clown · 25-08-2016 10:53AM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I've known since I was a teenager that I have severely flat arches and wore orthotics for about 8 years. I'm also an EEEE fit in shoes. I'm wearing a pair of new balance walking runners right now but they are about 6 years old and aren't great. The leather is stiff and I get a recurring blister on one side of my foot. I've worn superfeet insoles for the last two years with great success but I don't know can I put these into runners or do I need to just use the runner alone?

Now after all the background info does anyone know if I can get away with ordering online because we're in the process of buying a house and funds are very tight?

Do I wait for six months to be sure I get properly fitted in a bricks and mortor? Should I just stick with the new balance for six months even though they are old? Or pick up a cheap pair in ALDI/Lidl/online until I can afford to be properly fitted? Any advice appreciated for a newbie to the keep fit world

Hi Mirrorwall, if they're made of leather, they're a lot more than 6 years old! If you are significantly overweight and have been walking/running in the shoes for 6 years, then the cushioning will likely have been compromised over time, and I'd suggest that any shoe would be an improvement over your current pair. If you're running 20kms a week, I reckon you'd be fine with a pair from ALDI or LIDL, just stick to soft/yielding surfaces like grass or trail. The benefit of going to ALDI/LIDL is that you can try them on beforehand and see if they are comfortable and a good fit. You won't have that luxury if you buy online and returning shoes online is such an inconvenience that I'd hazard a guess that most people don't bother. So I'd go with the cheapest pair, stick to soft yielding surfaces, and later when the budget is a bit more stretchy, consider more expensive options if needed.

jamule · 25-08-2016 10:58AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Is there any way to fix arch problems other than to provide support within a shoe?

Find out whats causing problem, more than likely its a posture issue.

Flat, sagging arches are rarely just the way your feet are made.

BeepBeep67 · 25-08-2016 11:05AM

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Hi Mirrorwall, if they're made of leather, they're a lot more than 6 years old! If you are significantly overweight and have been walking/running in the shoes for 6 years, then the cushioning will likely have been compromised over time, and I'd suggest that any shoe would be an improvement over your current pair. If you're running 20kms a week, I reckon you'd be fine with a pair from ALDI or LIDL, just stick to soft/yielding surfaces like grass or trail. The benefit of going to ALDI/LIDL is that you can try them on beforehand and see if they are comfortable and a good fit. You won't have that luxury if you buy online and returning shoes online is such an inconvenience that I'd hazard a guess that most people don't bother. So I'd go with the cheapest pair, stick to soft yielding surfaces, and later when the budget is a bit more stretchy, consider more expensive options if needed.

And as if by magic
http://www.lidl.ie/en/Offers.htm?action=showDetail&id=44287

ThisRegard · 25-08-2016 11:12AM

jamule wrote: »

Find out whats causing problem, more than likely its a posture issue.

Flat, sagging arches are rarely just the way your feet are made.

But they could be, if you have flat feet that's just the way you are and there's nothing you can do about that.

jamule · 25-08-2016 11:37AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

But they could be, if you have flat feet that's just the way you are and there's nothing you can do about that.

of course they could be but more than likely there not.

goalscoringhero · 25-08-2016 11:52AM

One could save a lot on shoes by adopting barefoot running.
An intermediate step towards this with a great saving potential could be Xero shoes or Lunas (any of those models last thousands of miles).

ThisRegard · 25-08-2016 02:09PM

Posted this in the shoe thread over in the Gear forum

TK Max Blanchardstown have the following as of lunchtime today,

Size 6
1 pair Sketchers Go Run Ride 4 €54.99

Size 7
1 pair Brooks Adrenaline GTS 15 (was 2 until I got there) €46.99
1 Adidas Sonic Boost €69.99

Size 7.5
Puma Sequence €39.99

Size 8
New Balance 860v5 €54.99
Sketchers Go Run 4 €54,99
Brooks Transcend 2 €54.99
Brooks Adrenaline GTS 15 €46.99
New Balance Vacee Pace €54.99, also in other sizes

Size 9
A few New Balance 860v5 €54.99

They also had a number of New Balance 890s, Transcend 2s in big giant feet sizes.

I only really noticed the number of each shoe in my own size but as the sizes got bigger the amount did too, but for most there were only 1 or 2 until the really big sizes.

Ceepo · 25-08-2016 02:31PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Is there any way to fix arch problems other than to provide support within a shoe?

Have a look at this,

https://www.fixflatfeet.com/

MonkstownHoop · 25-08-2016 02:33PM

Does delivery on sports shoes.com cost much? There's a pair of Mizunos I ran the majority of the year in for €70

ThisRegard · 25-08-2016 02:42PM

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

Does delivery on sports shoes.com cost much? There's a pair of Mizunos I ran the majority of the year in for €70

£4.99, or around €7.99 I think.

nhunter100 · 25-08-2016 03:01PM

MonkstownHoop wrote:

Does delivery on sports shoes.com cost much? There's a pair of Mizunos I ran the majority of the year in for â‚¬70

Postage can be free depending on how much you spend. I think over a 100 euro free p&p to Ireland. Two pairs of runners easily add up to the 100.

MonkstownHoop · 25-08-2016 03:03PM

Looking at it I'd love to know what the difference is between Mizuno wave inspire 12 Spring Summer and Autumn Winter apart from €50 in the difference

Nuttzz · 26-08-2016 09:01AM

I got two pairs of the Aldi runners for €25 a pop really to give my Asics a rest during my marathon training. I took them out for one long run, 12 miles, and my calfs were in bits afterwards and had quiet a bit of wear on the sole. They are fine if you want to run something like a parkrun, for any kind of distance training I wouldnt personally recommend them. Currently long running with Hoka one one's which I find exteremly comfortable

RuMan · 26-08-2016 09:21AM

Nuttzz wrote: »

I got two pairs of the Aldi runners for €25 a pop really to give my Asics a rest during my marathon training. I took them out for one long run, 12 miles, and my calfs were in bits afterwards and had quiet a bit of wear on the sole. They are fine if you want to run something like a parkrun, for any kind of distance training I wouldnt personally recommend them. Currently long running with Hoka one one's which I find exteremly comfortable

Stands to reason that if you go out and run 12 miles with a pair of runners that have different heel drop or cushioning from the pair you are used to there will be strain on different parts of the body. No reason your body couldn't adapt to them over time assuming you wanted to. Fair enough if ur happy with the Hokas, no reason to change.

Runner choice is overrated IMO. Generally go for the lightest and least cushioned pair I can get away with for that distance.

Nuttzz · 26-08-2016 09:57AM

RuMan wrote: »

Stands to reason that if you go out and run 12 miles with a pair of runners that have different heel drop or cushioning from the pair you are used to there will be strain on different parts of the body. No reason your body couldn't adapt to them over time assuming you wanted to. Fair enough if ur happy with the Hokas, no reason to change.

Runner choice is overrated IMO. Generally go for the lightest and least cushioned pair I can get away with for that distance.

true, but I had worn them for a few park runs and maybe three or four 8 mile runs, I would say the wear and tear on them in a few weeks with maybe 60-70 miles in them surprised me

gucci · 26-08-2016 10:17AM

Ceepo wrote: »

Have a look at this,

https://www.fixflatfeet.com/

This is interesting, do you know of anyone who has tried it?

Do you think it would need to be done in conjunction with a very light training schedule? ie. the plan would be to be able to switch to a very neutral, minimalist shoe eventually, so I suppose continuing to train in the shoes that provide the support you are trying to eliminate would be counteracting the exercise?

jamule · 26-08-2016 10:59AM

gucci wrote: »

This is interesting, do you know of anyone who has tried it?

Do you think it would need to be done in conjunction with a very light training schedule? ie. the plan would be to be able to switch to a very neutral, minimalist shoe eventually, so I suppose continuing to train in the shoes that provide the support you are trying to eliminate would be counteracting the exercise?

I would do some of the exercises anyway, I like the Togos! The idea is to get your feet your feet to feel more and using your neural system rather than cushioning it up in a pair of runners.

Like anything to do with running its about adaptions.

positron · 27-08-2016 07:28PM

New to running, so do take my opinion for what's its worth (not a lot).

I am currently running with a pair of Aldi (or was it Lidl?) trainers - 20 euro IIRC. I have done about 200 kms so far (mostly C25k and follow up 5k runs on footpaths, and 8 parkruns which is all grass (Oldbridge)) and a single 10k (Duleek). I really like them - they are lightweight, breathable and dries really quickly even when you run on wet grass. Good value overall IMHO. And this is how the soles look at the moment.

Link to pic

I have an old injury (twisted ankle pretty badly, developed ankle instability etc etc) on my left ankle that started hurting a month into C25k. I didn't physio, just rested it out but it's not completely gone. Looking at the wear, I can almost see that I am actually limping - launching myself forward using my right foot and not pushing at all with the left / injured ankle.

Sorry for drifting off point - I have a pair of Adidas Zero (I think) as well as a Nike Gel (something) - I haven't tried either of these so far.. because of the exact point RuMan mentioned above - just in case if change of shoes aggravates the ankle again. I will report back if I ever try the Adidas or Nike...

davedanon · 29-08-2016 11:42AM

Any good podiatrist will tell you there are plenty of exercises for dealing with plantar fasciitis, which is a problem with the sheet of tissue which forms the foot arch, so they would help with 'flat feet', which aren't necessarily a problem in any case. Heel lifts, heel drops, foot-scrunches and the unforgettable experience of walking, very slowly, over a wooden dowel (basically a round stick with a bore the size of a large thumb) will all help with 'flat feet' by toughening up the arch tissue.

pconn062 · 29-08-2016 01:27PM

davedanon wrote: »

Any good podiatrist will tell you there are plenty of exercises for dealing with plantar fasciitis, which is a problem with the sheet of tissue which forms the foot arch, so they would help with 'flat feet', which aren't necessarily a problem in any case. Heel lifts, heel drops, foot-scrunches and the unforgettable experience of walking, very slowly, over a wooden dowel (basically a round stick with a bore the size of a large thumb) will all help with 'flat feet' by toughening up the arch tissue.

While they are all good exercises and worth doing for plantar faciitis, they are not specific enough for correcting flat feet. Short foot exercises seem to be a better option and there is some evidence to back this up.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927021/

Regarding flat feet (slightly OT I admit), I have spent about 2 years trying to correct flat feet which seem to be related to a lot of injury problems I'm having, and have not had much success. While I do believe people with mild flat feet can get improvements with exercises and such, some people have such severe biomechanical issues and flat feet that some sort of artificial intervention is unfortunately required. And I say this as someone who is firmly in the "fix the cause, not the issue" camp.

mirrorwall14 · 29-08-2016 10:11PM

No 6.5's in aldi today

6 was too narrow, 7 too long. Next time

Edit: I just realised both aldi and lidl had runners today/yesterday. Lidl tomorrow so

liam7831 · 04-09-2016 10:27PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

No 6.5's in aldi today 6 was too narrow, 7 too long. Next time

Edit: I just realised both aldi and lidl had runners today/yesterday. Lidl tomorrow so

Id say you would be betting running in wellies than them yokes

goalscoringhero · 05-09-2016 11:31AM

pconn062 wrote: »

While they are all good exercises and worth doing for plantar faciitis, they are not specific enough for correcting flat feet. Short foot exercises seem to be a better option and there is some evidence to back this up.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927021/

Regarding flat feet (slightly OT I admit), I have spent about 2 years trying to correct flat feet which seem to be related to a lot of injury problems I'm having, and have not had much success. While I do believe people with mild flat feet can get improvements with exercises and such, some people have such severe biomechanical issues and flat feet that some sort of artificial intervention is unfortunately required. And I say this as someone who is firmly in the "fix the cause, not the issue" camp.

Try increasing your barefoot time. I'm not joking. Barefoot anywhere. Your feet/body has all it needs to 'correct' itself.

I know the thought of it evokes images of people stepping into broken glass, dog poo and such all the time - the reality is quite different.
There is far fewer obstacles to step into than most people believe.

Going barefoot (or minimal sandals) is great for your posture too, as your body receives instant feedback when your posture is poor or you're over-stretching your ability.

And it's cost effective, to make the round-trip to the topic.

Enduro · 05-09-2016 12:19PM

liam7831 wrote: »

Id say you would be betting running in wellies than them yokes

What makes you think that?

jamule · 05-09-2016 12:23PM

Enduro wrote: »

What makes you think that?

betting on wellies? is it some sort of code?

BeepBeep67 · 22-11-2016 05:07PM

KielyUnusual wrote: »

I must say I have very much noticed this over the last one to two years. I used to do most of my easy mileage and general running in the Adidas Boston runners. Can be very difficult to find deals on these so I would occasionally just buy them at full price as I knew they worked for me and that was more important than saving a few quid with the risk that I might get a pair of runners that I don't like.

Lately though, I can't bring myself to pay full price on them and have been trying out other runners. Hard to find a price history on this but I could swear they've went up in €30 increments every year over the past two years. They used to be c. €80 and now they are €140, which is a ludicrous price for a pair of runners.

Boston 6 @ previous Boston 5 pricing now

Increasing costs of running shoes.

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