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M28 - Cork to Ringaskiddy [advance works pending; 2024 start]

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    #242
    spacetweek
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    Ah Cork, where the motorways are 100kmh, and the non motorways are 120

    The speed limits for road types aren't hard and fast rules! They must take local factors into account.


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    #243
    blindsider
    Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭blindsider


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    Ah Cork, where the motorways are 100kmh, and the non motorways are 120

    Has the speed limit on the M50 changed, or is it still 100kmh? What about the N2 from the M50 to Ashbourne? Is that not 120kph?

    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.42086,-6.3263117,3a,75y,320.85h,77.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4cyBbDTFHAchvQJsNGiNHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

    Perhaps you should have a read:

    http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/upload/general/Guide_Speed_Limits_Mar_2015.pdf

    especially p. 40.


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    #244
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    blindsider wrote: »
    Has the speed limit on the M50 changed, or is it still 100kmh?
    Some is 120, some is 50, some is 80, some is 100
    blindsider wrote: »
    What about the N2 from the M50 to Ashbourne? Is that not 120kph?
    Some is some isn't.

    Maybe I'll put explict sarcasm tags on my posts for the fun police in future.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to expect if we're going to build a new motorway in a greenfield site to replace the existing 100 limit road, that a 120 limit would apply.


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    #245
    blindsider
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    Some is 120, some is 50, some is 80, some is 100
    Some is some isn't.

    Maybe I'll put explict sarcasm tags on my posts for the fun police in future.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to expect if we're going to build a new motorway in a greenfield site to replace the existing 100 limit road, that a 120 limit would apply.

    :rolleyes: Whatever keeps you happy.


    As Spacetweek said yesterday, and, as is clearly explained in the doc I linked to, speed-limits must take local factors into account.

    Speed-limits on a motor-way are decided upon by the NRA, not locally in Cork.

    Perhaps we could now let this thread get back to being informative and useful.....


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    #246
    gerogerigegege
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    meeting between the nra and local resident groups on the 10th. not a public event.


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    #247
    marno21
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    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    meeting between the nra and local resident groups on the 10th. not a public event.
    What's the issue now?


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    #248
    spacetweek
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    marno21 wrote: »
    What's the issue now?

    The local resident groups have done nothing but make a complete balls of this.


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    #249
    marno21
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    The local resident groups have done nothing but make a complete balls of this.
    Spot on.

    I haven't seen any reason for this meeting. There has been no further updates recently for these NIMBYs to discuss


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    #250
    gerogerigegege
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    marno21 wrote: »
    What's the issue now?

    the residents of the South side of the city are worried about the destruction of parts of where they live. The noise pollution, air pollution, sound pollution etc.
    hopefully this won't go ahead.


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    #251
    spacetweek
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    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    the residents of the South side of the city are worried about the destruction of parts of where they live. The noise pollution, air pollution, sound pollution etc.
    hopefully this won't go ahead.

    This road will enhance the area they live, reduce noise, and reduce pollution due to removing traffic from residential areas.


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    #252
    L1011
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    The last complaint on here boiled down to Daily Mail style property price wails. With zero basis in facts


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    #253
    marno21
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    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    the residents of the South side of the city are worried about the destruction of parts of where they live. The noise pollution, air pollution, sound pollution etc.
    hopefully this won't go ahead.

    These people need their head checked

    Seriously


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    #254
    gerogerigegege
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    marno21 wrote: »
    These people need their head checked

    Seriously

    do you live in the area or have you visited the area?


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    #255
    gerogerigegege
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    L1011 wrote: »
    The last complaint on here boiled down to Daily Mail style property price wails. With zero basis in facts

    building a motorway beside your home won't affect the price of your house?

    wow. that's amazing.


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    #256
    Ludo
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    This road will enhance the area they live, reduce noise, and reduce pollution due to removing traffic from residential areas.

    That really depends where exactly you live doesn't it. It will definitely add traffic to some residential areas but reduce it in others.

    I honestly don't see the point in it myself I must say. They could just upgrade/widen the entire road to from N40 to Carrigaline and be done with it. It seems an awful lot of money on a road which does not need to be a motorway when things like the N20 are being ignored.


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    #257
    AugustusMinimus
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    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    do you live in the area or have you visited the area?

    I live in the area and this scheme will hugely reduce traffic issues in the area. It will do wonders for Douglas overall with Rochestown Road traffic being hugely reduces. Traffic going through Mount Oval will also reduce.

    This is nothing more than a scaremongering campaign by people who have little else to do with people who know no better believing them.


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    #258
    AugustusMinimus
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    Ludo wrote: »
    That really depends where exactly you live doesn't it. It will definitely add traffic to some residential areas but reduce it in others.

    I honestly don't see the point in it myself I must say. They could just upgrade/widen the entire road to from N40 to Carrigaline and be done with it. It seems an awful lot of money on a road which does not need to be a motorway when things like the N20 are being ignored.

    They would then lose EU funding. The junctions at the city side need serious altering to aid traffic flow in the area. Present Old Carrigaline road junction simply isn't good enough.


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    #259
    gerogerigegege
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    I live in the area and this scheme will hugely reduce traffic issues in the area. It will do wonders for Douglas overall with Rochestown Road traffic being hugely reduces. Traffic going through Mount Oval will also reduce.

    This is nothing more than a scaremongering campaign by people who have little else to do with people who know no better believing them.

    the Mulcon valley will be destroyed even further.
    an awful shame and shouldn't be allowed happen.


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    #260
    Ludo
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    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    I live in the area and this scheme will hugely reduce traffic issues in the area. It will do wonders for Douglas overall with Rochestown Road traffic being hugely reduces. Traffic going through Mount Oval will also reduce.

    This I don't believe for a second. Particularly the Rochestown Road part. I live on Coach Hill myself. I don't see it reducing any traffic and in fact can only make things worse but I don't think it will have any major affect so not bothered either way other than by the waste of money.
    And why would it reduce traffic thru Mount Oval?


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    #261
    L1011
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    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    the Mulcon valley will be destroyed even further.
    an awful shame and shouldn't be allowed happen.

    Its an "awful shame" if you are an obsessive NIMBY who considers their house an investment and nothing more. That's about it.
    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    building a motorway beside your home won't affect the price of your house?

    wow. that's amazing.

    I'm pretty certain my house would be worth a fraction of what it is if the M4 hadn't been built rather near to it - due to the gridlock, smog and noise it alleviated. But I'm not singularly obsessed with the value of my house anyway.


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    #262
    gerogerigegege
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    L1011 wrote: »
    Its an "awful shame" if you are an obsessive NIMBY who considers their house an investment and nothing more. That's about it.



    I'm pretty certain my house would be worth a fraction of what it is if the M4 hadn't been built rather near to it - due to the gridlock, smog and noise it alleviated. But I'm not singularly obsessed with the value of my house anyway.

    is NIMBY supposed be an insult? also you didn't answer the question I asked.


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    #263
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Ludo wrote: »
    This I don't believe for a second. Particularly the Rochestown Road part. I live on Coach Hill myself. I don't see it reducing any traffic and in fact can only make things worse but I don't think it will have any major affect so not bothered either way other than by the waste of money.
    And why would it reduce traffic thru Mount Oval?

    Mount Oval is used as a rat run to access garryduff and Moneygurney travelling south on the N28. This is because the junction with the N28 and the Rochestown Road and the N28 is clogged at rush hour.

    The upgraded Carrs Hill junction will provide an additional exit onto the old Carrigaline Road and Maryborough Hill via a new access road. Will make things a lot better.

    Can you elaborate by the way how it will make things worse?


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    #264
    L1011
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    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    is NIMBY supposed be an insult? also you didn't answer the question I asked.

    It is. It suggests a closed mind, obsessed on maintaining the status quo for illogical reasons. It has always been an insult - and you are one. Of the worst kind.

    I did - it doesn't.


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    #265
    cc
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭cc


    Ludo wrote: »
    This I don't believe for a second. Particularly the Rochestown Road part. I live on Coach Hill myself. I don't see it reducing any traffic and in fact can only make things worse but I don't think it will have any major affect so not bothered either way other than by the waste of money.
    And why would it reduce traffic thru Mount Oval?

    Waste of money? The years of bottle neck between shannonpark roundabout and the N40 is getting lost here with all the rochestown talk, never mind the development of Ringaskiddy port. Some of you need to realise you are living in an Urban area not West Cork.


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    #266
    gerogerigegege
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    L1011 wrote: »
    It is. It suggests a closed mind, obsessed on maintaining the status quo for illogical reasons. It has always been an insult - and you are one. Of the worst kind.

    I did - it doesn't.

    lots don't want it to happen.
    I'd suggest you get used to it :)


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    #267
    L1011
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    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    lots don't want it to happen.
    I'd suggest you get used to it :)

    ABP does not give much truck to price-obsessed NIMBYs, thankfully. Nothing has changed since last time you battered on about it.


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    #268
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    lots don't want it to happen.
    I'd suggest you get used to it :)

    I get the impression that your knowledge of what the scheme is trying to achieve and the results to traffic flow in the area is quite poor.

    At least I haven't seen you make a single credible argument on here yet.


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    #269
    c montgomery
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    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    the residents of the South side of the city are worried about the destruction of parts of where they live. The noise pollution, air pollution, sound pollution etc.
    hopefully this won't go ahead.

    Carrs Hill is a very dangerous road especially for cyclists. There have been a number of deaths on it over the past 10 years.
    There is too high a volume of traffic on the road for its size and this is only increasing with carraigaline growing and industries in ringaskiddy recovering.

    This road is well overdue.


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    #270
    c montgomery
    Registered Users Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    gerogerigegege wrote: »
    lots don't want it to happen.
    I'd suggest you get used to it :)

    It needs to happen and it's going to. You can't stop progress.


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    #271
    gerogerigegege
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    I get the impression that your knowledge of what the scheme is trying to achieve and the results to traffic flow in the area is quite poor.

    At least I haven't seen you make a single credible argument on here yet.

    not wanting to destroy a wooded area is a concern. there's already high noise levels in the area. People don't want anymore increases in sound pollution.


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