Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

oranbhoy67 · 04-08-2016 12:24PM

Esel wrote: »

I remember hearing many years ago that amusement arcade machine supplies in Ireland were controlled by the Mafia (the actual Mafia).

the Donegal Mafia .. is the name of a book written about politics very hard to find , came out in 1976 -http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000094696

DonegalTech · 04-08-2016 03:28PM

Laika123 wrote: »

I'm going out on a whim here, but looking through this thread and elsewhere I really believe theres more than 3 buddies keeping this at bay, its almost like they made an masonic oath.

Political interference is disturbing, because no politician has any right to tell a senior Garda who can influence the direction of his investigative teams, which people should not be questioned. Proving this happened is near impossible now, I can't see how this can ever be proven in a court of law.

The nature of the Irish Government and the Public sector/Civil service jobs, has always meant there is a certain level of corruption in how things are done. It's like some TD who should probably be jailed for their part in sinking our Country, gets re-elected by having local pot holes filled and planning pushed through in their local district.

It's a sad fact, but many Irish people don't look too far beyond their own gate, and politicians know this. All politicians have been using social science studies to calculate what they need to get re-elected next time around, they turn up at funeral's, wakes, football matches, charity events etc, or even strategically stand at the gate of a chapel after a funeral so that they are clearly seen by every body leaving.

Each move is deliberate, calculated and planned to a tee.

DonegalTech · 04-08-2016 03:35PM

Is there any further official word on the status of the Cold Case investigation?

What if a new complaint was made to Gardai that a potential suspect has never been investigated, and should be questioned? Perhaps if that complaint also included allegations of a political interference, accompanied by supporting evidence from various documentaries.

If Gardai are informed that certain people were missed in the original investigation, and it urgently needs to be examined, there has to be a way of pushing this case forward. I doubt any other case has been waiting this long to be re-examined.

Going Forward · 04-08-2016 04:12PM

DonegalTech wrote: »

Political interference is disturbing, because no politician has any right to tell a senior Garda who can influence the direction of his investigative teams, which people should not be questioned.

Political interference is disturbing, because no politician has any right to tell a senior Garda who can influence the direction of his investigative teams, which people should be questioned.

This was the exact reason given by Fianna Fail's Jim O'Callaghan when asked why Fianna Fail were "doing nothing about the case".

It's on a video online somewhere, not sure where. Vimeo maybe.

The person asking couldn't understand it.

http://jimocallaghan.com/

oranbhoy67 · 04-08-2016 06:18PM

Going Forward wrote: »

Political interference is disturbing, because no politician has any right to tell a senior Garda who can influence the direction of his investigative teams, which people should be questioned.

This was the exact reason given by Fianna Fail's Jim O'Callaghan when asked why Fianna Fail were "doing nothing about the case".

It's on a video online somewhere, not sure where. Vimeo maybe.

The person asking couldn't understand it.

http://jimocallaghan.com/

Going Forward · 05-08-2016 11:41PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Turning the screw a little more.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpHyUlGWgAA0nvX.jpg:small

mikeymouse · 06-08-2016 01:27AM

"Isn't that right Mary" daring her to contradict.
Belleek? 8km away
perhaps look in the opposite direction??

oranbhoy67 · 06-08-2016 02:50AM

10 more (short) clips from the RTE documentary have been uploaded this time to youtube

they are all on this channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCExrTZGDHYCWRhYeD-I4UUw

some very interesting stuff there

Crystalclare · 06-08-2016 03:10AM

Have been following this thread and am completely disgusted with the injustice that is apparent. Very interesting videos......... The net is closing......

DonegalTech · 06-08-2016 02:05PM

Crystalclare wrote: »

Have been following this thread and am completely disgusted with the injustice that is apparent. Very interesting videos......... The net is closing......

Yes many people close to the case know there is exceptionally strong evidence linking one particular suspect to the case, a suspect who has never been actually questioned as a suspect!!!

But most of us just want the suspect to be questioned by Gardai, thoroughly questioned repeatedly with every minute and second analysed in great detail, with every aspect of their story scrutinised. The person may well be innocent, but gardai have a duty to question all suspects in the interest of determining what happened to this little girl.

I don't think Gardai are doing anything about this case right now, cold case or otherwise, I don't think any action is being taken. If they were to even question the above mentioned suspect, this act alone would be a massive step.

brooke 2 · 06-08-2016 02:07PM

mikeymouse wrote: »

"Isn't that right Mary" daring her to contradict.
Belleek? 8km away
perhaps look in the opposite direction??

That was some brazen effort to deflect. Pathetic!!

brooke 2 · 06-08-2016 02:15PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

10 more (short) clips from the RTE documentary have been uploaded this time to youtube

they are all on this channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCExrTZGDHYCWRhYeD-I4UUw

some very interesting stuff there

Brendan O'Brien definitely did his work there! Talk about things hiding in plain sight! Imagine if there had been social media in those days!!

Going Forward · 07-08-2016 05:05PM

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-girl-who-vanished-39-11714395

Going Forward · 07-08-2016 06:27PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/762281352486129664?p=v

Gemma O'Doherty
@gemmaod1

Ann Doherty will issue a statement later today about the #MaryBoyle case
6:36 am - 7 Aug 2016

oranbhoy67 · 07-08-2016 07:11PM

full 1985 documentary now on vimeo

https://vimeo.com/177916120

oranbhoy67 · 07-08-2016 11:39PM

A statement from Marys twin tonight that really doesn't miss its target

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Smondie · 07-08-2016 11:44PM

Well done to Ann, what strength it must have taken to release that statement. She is such a brave lady.

oranbhoy67 · 07-08-2016 11:49PM

Smondie wrote: »

Well done to Ann, what strength it must have taken to release that statement. She is such a brave lady.

yes, I am biased but i know she is devastated over the split with her mother and its overused at times but that was very brave .

Johnboy1951 · 08-08-2016 12:00AM

A comprehensive statement; well drafted. The only part I thought could have been omitted was her plea NOT to tell the Gardai any new information.

If she had only omitted the words "but not to An Garda Siochána"...
I know her reasons for distrust, but encouraging people to withhold information from the authorities is not something that should be done IMO.

oranbhoy67 · 08-08-2016 12:08AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

A comprehensive statement; well drafted. The only part I thought could have been omitted was her plea NOT to tell the Gardai any new information.

If she had only omitted the words "but not to An Garda Siochána"...
I know her reasons for distrust, but encouraging people to withhold information from the authorities is not something that should be done IMO.

maybe she could have added in to contact her/Margo/Gemma as well as Gardai, can't say I blame her thhough, even if you weren't to believe the cover-up angle the Gardai have admitted to numerous mistakes from day 1 .

The Gardai continue to insist that her mother is their only point of contact when she has very good reason to believe her mother is covering up the truth as well.

Going Forward · 08-08-2016 12:22AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

A comprehensive statement; well drafted. The only part I thought could have been omitted was her plea NOT to tell the Gardai any new information.

If she had only omitted the words "but not to An Garda Siochána"...
I know her reasons for distrust, but encouraging people to withhold information from the authorities is not something that should be done IMO.

Yes, where is someone to disclose information to???

Also the line that says her mother identified the suspect to gardai, immediately followed by a mention of the amount of "inconsistent statements" made to gardai.

The only point to take from it all is that she is threatening to name the suspect publicly.

She may have to, because there aint going to be a confession....

But unless there's some actual evidence, she may may find that there's some aspiring lawyer wiling to defend any suspects good name, pro bono, in order to raise their profile and add a few lines to their CV.

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but what happens if she's sued??

oranbhoy67 · 08-08-2016 01:43AM

the Gardai seemed to find it ok to take Bryan McMahon in with no evidence at all that we are aware off , but the mother tells the gardai herself that she knows who it is and they do nothing about it

it all just beggars belief

Esel · 08-08-2016 01:45AM

Going Forward wrote: »

Yes, where is someone to disclose information to???

Also the line that says her mother identified the suspect to gardai, immediately followed by a mention of the amount of "inconsistent statements" made to gardai.

The only point to take from it all is that she is threatening to name the suspect publicly.

She may have to, because there aint going to be a confession....

But unless there's some actual evidence, she may may find that there's some aspiring lawyer wiling to defend any suspects good name, pro bono, in order to raise their profile and add a few lines to their CV.

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but what happens if she's sued??

By whom? Dirty linen would be washed in public...

Esel · 08-08-2016 02:03AM

So, someone did it. Someone else allegedly named them. Someone cried.

Easy to join the dots if there are only two. Putting an arrow on the line is more difficult.
Did A do it, and was named by B? Or should the arrow point the other way?

Who would be more likely to cry in that scenario?

oranbhoy67 · 08-08-2016 02:49AM

Esel wrote: »

So, someone did it. Someone else allegedly named them. Someone cried.

Easy to join the dots if there are only two. Putting an arrow on the line is more difficult.
Did A do it, and was named by B? Or should the arrow point the other way?

Who would be more likely to cry in that scenario?

it was certainly the gards opinion in the documentary that the suspect would break under interrogation

whether he has toughened up in the last 40 years is up for debate, I have said it in local media and ill say it here I'd have no confidence in the local Gardai arresting him, I think this case has to be handled by another force as a matter of priority , the suspect and his cohorts aren't getting any younger , time really is of the essence

PaddyWilliams · 08-08-2016 06:28AM

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mikeymouse · 08-08-2016 07:39AM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

maybe she could have added in to contact her/Margo/Gemma as well as Gardai, can't say I blame her thhough, even if you weren't to believe the cover-up angle the Gardai have admitted to numerous mistakes from day 1 .

The Gardai continue to insist that her mother is their only point of contact when she has very good reason to believe her mother is covering up the truth as well.

I don't get this "only point of contact" at all,
If someone goes into a Garda station to report a crime they'll hardly be told
'sorry you're not our point of contact'

Johnboy1951 · 08-08-2016 08:07AM

mikeymouse wrote: »

I don't get this "only point of contact" at all,
If someone goes into a Garda station to report a crime they'll hardly be told
'sorry you're not our point of contact'

It is quite correct that there be an official 'point of contact'.
When the child went missing the natural and correct 'point of contact' was the parents.
Nothing has happened to change that.

Your reporting a crime does not make you a 'point of contact'!

08-08-2016 09:36AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The highlighted part is the important bit.
No one, other than the authorities, have the right to know their reasons, and they are not going to make any such reasons public.
It is not valid to assume they had no evidence just because they did not make what they had public.
That is the norm - not to make evidence public.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It is quite correct that there be an official 'point of contact'.
When the child went missing the natural and correct 'point of contact' was the parents.
Nothing has happened to change that.

Your reporting a crime does not make you a 'point of contact'!

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

A comprehensive statement; well drafted. The only part I thought could have been omitted was her plea NOT to tell the Gardai any new information.

If she had only omitted the words "but not to An Garda Siochána"...
I know her reasons for distrust, but encouraging people to withhold information from the authorities is not something that should be done IMO.

You come accross as being very defensive of the Gardaí/Legal System?

Esel · 08-08-2016 09:48AM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

it was certainly the gards opinion in the documentary that the suspect would break under interrogation

whether he has toughened up in the last 40 years is up for debate, I have said it in local media and ill say it here I'd have no confidence in the local Gardai arresting him, I think this case has to be handled by another force as a matter of priority , the suspect and his cohorts aren't getting any younger , time really is of the essence

What other force?

Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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