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The Guardian is in trouble

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  • #62
    Mary63
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    I agree with the price hikes,its not so long ago the Guardian was a euro and now its more expensive than the Irish Times.I stopped buying it during the week because of the price hiking but still bought it at the weekend.Its now three euros and fifty cents for the Saturday edition so I stopped buying it this week too.That is just too expensive especially when you can read most of it online for free.I like an actual paper though at the weekend and do miss it.

    I was going to subscribe to the online edition of the Guardian but you can't read it on a PC as a digital edition.


  • #63
    Jayop
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    Potatoeman wrote: »
    You do realise that being willfully ignorant undermines your opinion?

    What? I'm not giving an opinion other than its news and sport coverage is great and I don't read it's opinion pieces. I'm not saying they are good, bad, sexist, not sexist, whatever.


  • #64
    Permabear
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  • #65
    Kermit.de.frog
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    I would not like to see the Guardian go out of business. No matter how much one disagrees with views from a mainstream media outlet they are important in providing balance against tory publications especially in the UK where the media is overwhelmingly right wing in nature.


  • #66
    Permabear
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  • #67
    Pepe LeFrits
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    hmmm wrote: »
    I pay for the Economist, and I'd pay more for the Guardian sub - but not if it meant subsidising bogus "opinion pieces" about how terrible Western civilisation is.
    I could be wrong but I'd imagine the opinion pieces are most financially viable part of their business. Which is kind of depressing.
    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    There's nothing diverse in their form of "feminism". If they think that it is acceptable to print some of the things I've read there over the years then I want nothing to do with it. I use an adblocker when I visit their website as well.
    I meant their opinion pieces in general.

    I'm surprised they don't deny adblocker users access to be honest.


  • #68
    Yellow pack crisps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Yellow pack crisps


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    Who buys newspapers.
    me! Love the feel of them! Love reading things in printed paper form! Love going to the pub having a few pints without needing to worry about wifi. Stolen devices and some ****er tracking my every movement!


  • #69
    fits
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    I love them as well. You read a far broader range of articles. Cant beat the paper and a coffee in bed on a weekend morning.


  • #70
    ancapailldorcha
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    Yellow pack crisps wrote: »
    me! Love the feel of them! Love reading things in printed paper form! Love going to the pub having a few pints without needing to worry about wifi. Stolen devices and some ****er tracking my every movement!

    I like read the paper versions as well though I end up with ink on my hands. The Guardian is somewhat unwieldly as it's a broadsheet.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #71
    Potatoeman
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I would not like to see the Guardian go out of business. No matter how much one disagrees with views from a mainstream media outlet they are important in providing balance against tory publications especially in the UK where the media is overwhelmingly right wing in nature.

    The owners may be right wing but most journalists are probably left wing.


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  • #72
    jackofalltrades
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    Can't say I'm surprised or really bothered by this news.
    Their articles were a significant contributor to the "Sexism you have experienced thread".
    They have an obvious bias on many issues, which even carries through to their comments section.
    Which for me shows a real lack of confidence in what they publish.
    You really have to wonder who they are marketing their paper towards.


  • #73
    nc6000
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    fits wrote:
    I subscribe to the Irish times. Would consider guardian also if I had to.


    My Irish Times subscription was cancelled last year after they published the Denis O'Brien "opinion" piece.


  • #74
    marienbad
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    nc6000 wrote: »
    My Irish Times subscription was cancelled last year after they published the Denis O'Brien "opinion" piece.

    I always find this a bit strange ?? What good is a publication if it doesn't offend you from time to time


  • #75
    Saipanne
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    marienbad wrote: »
    I always find this a bit strange ?? What good is a publication if it doesn't offend you from time to time

    Running away from opposing views is a cornerstone of modern society.


  • #76
    ancapailldorcha
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    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Can't say I'm surprised or really bothered by this news.
    Their articles were a significant contributor to the "Sexism you have experienced thread".
    They have an obvious bias on many issues, which even carries through to their comments section.
    Which for me shows a real lack of confidence in what they publish.
    You really have to wonder who they are marketing their paper towards.

    I've actually found the comments sections of the site to be a source of hope.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #77
    Saipanne
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I've actually found the comments sections of the site to be a source of hope.

    I've found them to be a great source of pomposity.


  • #78
    El Hombre
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    It's a left wing rag and good riddance to it.


  • #79
    Permabear
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  • #80
    Saipanne
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I didn't say it was unique, to be fair.

    In my adult life, it appears to be at a local peak right now.


  • #81
    Permabear
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  • #82
    jackofalltrades
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I've actually found the comments sections of the site to be a source of hope.
    I agree the comments section is great when readers are allowed a voice.
    Although I've seen several times when these voices have been restricted.
    When the highest voted comment has been removed by a moderator you have to wonder what's going on.


  • #83
    LostinBlanch
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    nc6000 wrote: »
    My Irish Times subscription was cancelled last year after they published the Denis O'Brien "opinion" piece.

    I stopped reading it after their handling of the Kate Fitzgerald scandal. Pulling an article that they had published, re-editing it online and pretending nothing happened is not the action of a so called "paper of record." This caused a huge amount of hurt to her family.

    I lost all trust in them after that and haven't bought a copy since.


  • #84
    Joe_ Public
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    Whether you agree with the politics or the points of view or whatever, for quality writing it's the Guardian everytime. Simon Jenkins, Zoe Williams, George Monbiot, Jonathon Freedland, Suzanne Moore (occasionally) to name just a small handful. Barney Ronay, Richard Williams (only semi-retired thankfully), David Conn and others in sport. Not to mention the Observer on Sunday and Simon O'Hagan, Ed Vulliamy etc. And a special mention to the late Simon Hoggart who made it a delight to read the House of Commons sketches without even an interest in the goings-on of that august body.

    It's no wonder they're struggling when you consider the outlay they are making on staff writers and contributors. Maintain high standards of journalism just costs too much these days unfortunately. The Irish Times, by comparison, reads like a transition year school project, full of mediocrity and mediocre writers even though I imagine their staff costs are through the roof as well.


  • #85
    anothernight
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    LostinBlanch wrote: »
    I stopped reading it after their handling of the Kate Fitzgerald scandal. Pulling an article that they had published, re-editing it online and pretending nothing happened is not the action of a so called "paper of record." This caused a huge amount of hurt to her family.

    I lost all trust in them after that and haven't bought a copy since.

    The Irish Times really went downhill after Geraldine Kennedy left.
    These days I wonder what their editor does, if anything at all. The physical and online editions often contain blatant factual errors, as well as the usual ideological slant, and their choice of columnists is shakier than ever. But the online edition is amateurish to ridiculous levels. Constant spelling mistakes, nonsensical often incomplete sentences and the occasional double- or triple-repeated paragraph (someone needs to teach them how to copy&paste correctly). I subscribed when they brought in the new subscription model, but cancelled it soon afterwards because the quality was deteriorating so fast.

    I'd be sad to see the Guardian go, even if its 'integrity' can sometimes go to suspicious places, and its reviews and opinion pieces sometimes read like those of a university newspaper. When it comes to current affairs it is miles ahead of other papers and it provides much needed balance to the overall journalistic landscape of the UK.


  • #86
    fits
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    LostinBlanch wrote: »
    I stopped reading it after their handling of the Kate Fitzgerald scandal. Pulling an article that they had published, re-editing it online and pretending nothing happened is not the action of a so called "paper of record." This caused a huge amount of hurt to her family.

    I lost all trust in them after that and haven't bought a copy since.

    So did I for a while but relented. what's the alternative? I would hate to see it go under as well.


  • #87
    Permabear
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  • #88
    ancapailldorcha
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    fits wrote: »
    So did I for a while but relented. what's the alternative? I would hate to see it go under as well.

    I'm really not seeing the problem with this. There are a number of ideologically similar outlets which could easily fill the void. The Guardian simply isn't good enough to cut it in today's world.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #89
    fits
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Exactly. I think we wont value what we have until its gone. Who will fund investigative journalism in the middle east for example. Conor O'Clery's book was really enlightening, precisely because there are very few journalists like that nowadays, media outlets cant afford to fund them. And then where do we get our information from? Facebook?


  • #90
    two wheels good
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I'm really not seeing the problem with this. There are a number of ideologically similar outlets which could easily fill the void. The Guardian simply isn't good enough to cut it in today's world.

    Really? Would you care to name a few - with the same breadth of coverage - that are available in my local newsagents; or online for that matter.

    As for "not good enough to cut it" this is a Pulitzer prize- winning publication we're discussing.
    What other UK paper matched the G for it's scope of coverage on Snowden's revelations of govt. snooping or the phone hacking scandal.
    Re. the former - the Guardian deserves credit for facing down intimidation by UK security services.


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  • #91
    two wheels good
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    El Hombre wrote: »
    It's a left wing rag and good riddance to it.
    You've never actually read it , have you?


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