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2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #9062
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Tim Kaine is such a joke, he says he is pro-life, before he was against state funding of abortions, now with it being Hillary's policy he is for it.

    Hillary had a little lamb
    It followed her all around
    And everywhere that Hillary went
    her lamb was sure to go
    It followed her to support abortions
    Which is against Catholic rules
    It made the people look in disbelief
    At what a sheep and fool.

    Yes, yes I know it is terrible but Kaine stands for nothing.
    Congratulations, you have just called Donald Trump a joke due to his sudden changes in stance on abortion, on foreign policy, on military intervention, on minimum wage, on taxes, on gun rights, on climate change, on the national debt, on the role of money in politics, on health care, and on a whole list of reasons.
    RobertKK wrote: »
    Tim Kaine has changed his views to suit Hillary.
    The RCC has not changed it views to suit anyone on the campaign.


    It is clear Tim is a lamb of Hillary and not a lamb of God.
    That's strange, given that Kaine has a 100% pro choice voting record in the Senate, and has been on record saying abortions should not be illegal since at least July 2008.

    This thread has turned into a game of Trump fans blindly throwing out anything that enters their head without so much as a moment's thought as to whether reality backs that up or not.


  • #9063
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Tim Kaine has changed his views to suit Hillary.
    The RCC has not changed it views to suit anyone on the campaign.


    It is clear Tim is a lamb of Hillary and not a lamb of God.

    Tim Kaine has been 100% consistent on his views on abortion. He is against it personally but that the government should not be making the for every woman.


  • #9064
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hillary in 2015 also said if she is president and Iran does not keep to the deal, she is prepared to take military action against Iran.

    The woman is obsessed with bombing Iran.

    I remember a part of a headline in a newspaper years ago just after the Iraq invasion and abaout a possible war against Iran 'Iran is for the crazies'.

    I have seen no discussion by the mainstream media about Hillary and her constant warmongering.
    And Donald Trump wants to 'bomb the sh*t out of them'.

    So you are against Hillary because 'warmongering' but happily will go out of your way to ignore Trump calling for far harsher actions, including torturing innocent families. The reason you would vote for Trump over Clinton has zero to do with 'war mongering'.


  • #9065
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Hillary and Obama also kill innocent families in thier drone strikes, under Obama they bought in double tap strikes, where they hit a target, then when people come to the scne of of the strike, they send in a second missile.
    Reports say 90% of people killed are innocent.

    Yes this is very bad. But Trump has called this weak and he will go after terrorists families. Surely worse?


  • #9066
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    20Cent wrote: »
    Yes this is very bad. But Trump has called this weak and he will go after terrorists families. Surely worse?

    Well, he's attacked one Muslim family for daring to disagree with him, I'd like to see his supporters present their case as to why he won't turn hundreds - possibly thousands - more into Da'esh's "collateral damage".


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  • #9067
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Face palm.


    Trump: Khizr Khan "has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution."


  • #9068
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Congratulations, you have just called Donald Trump a joke due to his sudden changes in stance on abortion, on foreign policy, on military intervention, on minimum wage, on taxes, on gun rights, on climate change, on the national debt, on the role of money in politics, on health care, and on a whole list of reasons.
    That's strange, given that Kaine has a 100% pro choice voting record in the Senate, and has been on record saying abortions should not be illegal since at least July 2008.

    This thread has turned into a game of Trump fans blindly throwing out anything that enters their head without so much as a moment's thought as to whether reality backs that up or not.

    In 2005, Tim Kaine said "I'm Catholic, I'm against abortion".
    As you say he has a 100% pro-choice voting record.

    To most those two sentences do not add up.


  • #9069
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    20Cent wrote: »
    Yes this is very bad. But Trump has called this weak and he will go after terrorists families. Surely worse?

    Maybe he didn't know this was already happening and many hundreds of children have been killed in drone strikes.

    I think both are wrong as they just create more terrorists.


  • #9070
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    RobertKK wrote: »
    In 2005, Tim Kaine said "I'm Catholic, I'm against abortion".
    As you say he has a 100% pro-choice voting record.

    To most those two sentences do not add up.

    I'm an atheist. I'm against abortion. However I belive it's a woman's right to choose.

    Why do republicans believe in small government, except when it comes to a woman’s body?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9071
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    RobertKK wrote: »
    In 2005, Tim Kaine said "I'm Catholic, I'm against abortion".
    As you say he has a 100% pro-choice voting record.

    To most those two sentences do not add up.

    Why not?
    He is personally against abortion but others should have the right to choose what they want.


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  • #9072
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Well, he's attacked one Muslim family for daring to disagree with him, I'd like to see his supporters present their case as to why he won't turn hundreds - possibly thousands - more into Da'esh's "collateral damage".

    That has been happening for many years already.

    Look at all the dead from Iraq and Libya from US bombing and subsequent destabilisation.
    Also many innocent dead in Syria from 'mistakes'.


  • #9073
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    20Cent wrote: »
    Why not?
    He is personally against abortion but others should have the right to choose what they want.

    Talk the talk, but not walk the walk.


  • #9074
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Talk the talk, but not walk the walk.

    You think he should impose his beliefs on others?


  • #9075
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Talk the talk, but not walk the walk.

    No. He does not wish to have an abortion but he also does not wish to force others to abide by his decision. What part of this are you struggling to understand?

    I don't like brussel sprouts but I have yet to attempt a ban on it. I have known people who are morally against sex before marriage and have never attempted to get a ban in place in the law. They simply don't have sex before they get married and let others do as they will. Are all these hypocritical stances?


  • #9076
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,901 ✭✭✭eire4


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Maybe he didn't know this was already happening and many hundreds of children have been killed in drone strikes.

    I think both are wrong as they just create more terrorists.



    I will agree with you there. The US's illegal invasion of Iraqi and all round shoot first ask questions later attitude to foreign policy especially in the middle east has made the world a much less safe place.


  • #9077
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,901 ✭✭✭eire4


    Brian? wrote: »
    I'm an atheist. I'm against abortion. However I belive it's a woman's right to choose.

    Why do republicans believe in small government, except when it comes to a woman’s body?

    Or when it comes to having a monsterous military budget.


  • #9078
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Brian? wrote: »
    I'm an atheist. I'm against abortion. However I belive it's a woman's right to choose.

    Why do republicans believe in small government, except when it comes to a woman’s body?

    Maybe they believe it is simply wrong to kill the unborn human life.


  • #9079
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    eire4 wrote: »
    Or when it comes to having a monsterous military budget.

    Or restricting marriage rights, or sexual education programmes, or forcing creationism into curricula...I could go on.


  • #9080
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Maybe they believe it is simply wrong to kill the unborn human life.

    They may. But don't they believe in the free market ruling all?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9081
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Fair enough I suppose, he's entitled to his opinion. He wants to sell a book, he's another ann coulter type. And he just wants to get Clinton even if it means imposing a trump presidency on the american people. Obviously he doesnt give a crap about US domestic policy.

    He said Trump is odious.

    But this is from the Boston Globe and not John Pilger this time, can't accuse everyone of wanting to sell a book.

    Obama's increase in nuclear spending and the threat it poses to the world.
    The most sobering of these voices belongs to William Perry, who during the 1970s and ’80s directed the development of air-launched nuclear cruise missiles and later became secretary of defense. Now Perry is campaigning against Obama’s plan to develop and buy 1,000 new missiles with adjustable nuclear capacity, 100 new long-range bombers, and a new fleet of nuclear-armed submarines. He warns that if the plan becomes real, disputes among nations will be “more likely to erupt in nuclear conflict than during the Cold War.”
    When Perry was directing America’s last nuclear buildup, he and others argued that it was necessary to compensate for NATO’s relatively weak conventional power in countries around the Soviet Union. That rationale evaporated when the Cold War ended, but it still shapes our defense policy.
    Obama’s proposed “modernization” increases our vulnerability, not our security. The first and most obvious reason is that it will certainly lead other countries to seek equivalent arsenals of their own. It is especially upsetting to Russia, which already feels under increasing American threat as a result of our military maneuvers on its borders and the fact that many of our missiles are positioned in Germany, Turkey, and other countries near its territory. The Russian defense minister recently announced that in response to Obama’s plan, Russia will “bring five new strategic nuclear missile regiments into service.” China would surely match that escalation. If it does so, India will follow. Then Pakistan will jump into the race. It is a recipe for disaster.
    Besides these grave dangers — global proliferation, accidental war, and nuclear terror — there is another: national bankruptcy. Obama’s project is ruinously expensive. Admiral Mike Mullen, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, calls it “spending ourselves into oblivion.” He describes our skyrocketing national debt as “the most significant threat to our national security.”
    Now is the time to stop this program. So far, enthusiasm for it is confined to the White House and Pentagon. Once it is launched, rich procurement contracts will be portioned out to the districts of influential members of Congress. That will produce a self-interested constituency and give the project unstoppable momentum.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2016/01/24/beware-obama-nuclear-weapons-plan/IJP9E48w3cjLPlTqMhZdFL/story.html

    Democrat presidency really making the world more dangerous.


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  • #9082
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    RobertKK wrote: »
    He said Trump is odious.

    But this is from the Boston Globe and not John Pilger this time, can't accuse everyone of wanting to sell a book.

    Obama's increase in nuclear spending and the threat it poses to the world.




    https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2016/01/24/beware-obama-nuclear-weapons-plan/IJP9E48w3cjLPlTqMhZdFL/story.html

    Democrat presidency really making the world more dangerous.

    Quick change the topic!


  • #9083
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    eire4 wrote: »
    Or when it comes to having a monsterous military budget.
    RobertKK wrote: »
    Maybe they believe it is simply wrong to kill the unborn human life.
    Brian? wrote: »
    They may. But don't they believe in the free market ruling all?
    Christy42 wrote: »
    Quick change the topic!

    Raise the standard of posting please. One-line quips add nothing to the discussion and the above are only on this page. Thanks.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #9084
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You said "My point is you accuse Trump of crimes that have been alleged against Clinton in his private life" in response to me bringing up Trump being accused of raping and threatening to murder a 13 year old child.

    Now you are continuing to try to avoid actually backing that statement up by showing where Bill Clinton was accused of raping a 13 year old girl as Trump currently is. So by your own standards that "I expect for your own sake you can substantiate those remarks" you want people to hold to, I am reporting this post.


    Sorry but this merits reporting too, because you have again failed to address the issue that Trump wants to be MUSLIMS as per his official statement, and not just ISIS, jihadists, Wahhabis or anything near that specific. Just MUSLIMS.

    I also informed you I don't deal in scandalous articles unlike some when I mentioned Clinton I was pointing out that he has a shady past with interns. I don't want to go down that road but you persist in calling Trump a rapist. What i'm trying to say to you is politics is full of people unfit for office and Hillary Clinton's husband is hardly a saint. I mean I love the guy but come on he is a player.

    As for the Muslim remarks once again you are mistaken I am referring to the school of Islam that practices Jihad and very rightly Donald Trump like millions of Americans are not familiar with the many different schools of taught within Islam. The sects that are targeting America, France, Syria, Egypt & Russia are all the same and according to them we are all either Crusaders, hypocrites or Takfiri. I hardly expect your average Californian or Ohioan to know the intricacies of the religion of Islam you would need a scholar to go through the various lines in the Quran.


  • #9085
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Oh look, the Trump-Putin love-in intensifies a little bit more: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/31/politics/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-crimea-putin/

    Coincidentally, I'm yet to come across a Putinbot who loves Hillary, yet I've seen plenty who love Trump.


  • #9086
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    In 2005, Tim Kaine said "I'm Catholic, I'm against abortion".
    As you say he has a 100% pro-choice voting record.

    To most those two sentences do not add up.
    So why didn't you address the many, many issues Trump has completely changed his stance on, someone on multiple occasions? By your logic, surely Trump is unelectable on that alone.


  • #9087
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    I also informed you I don't deal in scandalous articles unlike some when I mentioned Clinton I was pointing out that he has a shady past with interns.
    No you weren't. You never mentioned interns.
    I don't want to go down that road but you persist in calling Trump a rapist.
    Just because you want to pretend reality isn't real doesn't mean it isn't. And the reality is Trump stands accused of raping a 13 year old child and threatening them with murder if they told. And it's not the first time he has been accused of rape. Those are facts.
    What i'm trying to say to you is politics is full of people unfit for office and Hillary Clinton's husband is hardly a saint. I mean I love the guy but come on he is a player.
    Who you said had been accused of child rape.

    Here, let's carry on your game of making stuff up... Trump called single mothers whores who should be murdered in a fa Tory. Can you believe that? Disgusting.
    As for the Muslim remarks once again you are mistaken I am referring to the school of Islam that practices Jihad and very rightly Donald Trump like millions of Americans are not familiar with the many different schools of taught within Islam. The sects that are targeting America, France, Syria, Egypt & Russia are all the same and according to them we are all either Crusaders, hypocrites or Takfiri. I hardly expect your average Californian or Ohioan to know the intricacies of the religion of Islam you would need a scholar to go through the various lines in the Quran.
    No, you said Donald Trump statement calling for a "complete and total" shutdown of Muslims entering the US was not talking about all Muslims. No matter how much you attempt to change the subject, that is what you said. Repeatedly.


  • #9088
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,767 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    Honesty is a word more associated with Trump than Clinton. By a long shot.
    Donald Trump led all Republican and Democrat presidential candidates that ran for president with 76% of his statements "Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire." Donald Trump uses lies to fuel his campaign and draw the news media:
    Trump has "perfected the outrageous untruth as a campaign tool," said Michael LaBossiere, a philosophy professor at Florida A&M University who studies theories of knowledge. "He makes a clearly false or even absurdly false claim, which draws the attention of the media. He then rides that wave until it comes time to call up another one."

    Donald Trump frequently uses an "outrageous untruth as a campaign tool," the most recent occurred regarding the schedule conflict between the presidential debates and NFL games, wherein Donald said: "I'll tell you what I don't like. It's against two NFL games. I got a letter from the NFL saying, 'This is ridiculous.'" The NFL says no such letter was sent. Now the Trump campaign is attempting to cover-up Donald Trump's bold face lie, as they always do, but it's hard to cover-up Donald's statement: "I got a letter from the NFL saying."


  • #9089
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So why didn't you address the many, many issues Trump has completely changed his stance on, someone on multiple occasions? By your logic, surely Trump is unelectable on that alone.

    Trump is only a politician since June 2015.


  • #9090
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Billy86 wrote: »
    No you weren't. You never mentioned interns.

    Just because you want to pretend reality isn't real doesn't mean it isn't. And the reality is Trump stands accused of raping a 13 year old child and threatening them with murder if they told. And it's not the first time he has been accused of rape. Those are facts.

    Who you said had been accused of child rape.

    Here, let's carry on your game of making stuff up... Trump called single mothers whores who should be murdered in a fa Tory. Can you believe that? Disgusting.


    No, you said Donald Trump statement calling for a "complete and total" shutdown of Muslims entering the US was not talking about all Muslims. No matter how much you attempt to change the subject, that is what you said. Repeatedly.

    Yes I do stand by stating that remark because America does have a major problem with Muslims and it was during the Clinton years and lets face it Hillary has the same polices as her husband it was Bill your hero's tenure in power that Jihadists found it easy to obtain entry into the US.

    Your quick to dismiss Trump as a bigot and all kinds of disgusting names when infact the rise of Islamophobia occurred long before he began discussing the challenges of migration to the US. Organizations like Al Qaeda, ISIS & Al Nusra have been causing the fear and hatred.


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  • #9091
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Oh look, the Trump-Putin love-in intensifies a little bit more: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/31/politics/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-crimea-putin/

    Coincidentally, I'm yet to come across a Putinbot who loves Hillary, yet I've seen plenty who love Trump.

    Make love not war.

    Hillary is very bellicose towards Putin and Russia.
    Trump asks 'wouldn't it be better if we got on?' to paraphrase how he puts it.

    Hillary is the real disaster waiting to happen with Russia.


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