Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

MilesMorales1 · 26-07-2016 03:09PM

Ace Attorney wrote: »

The famicom i think?

I dont know about this, a portable console that sacrificed power to fit it all on the handheld? hopefully if this is true, its better than it sounds.

No its older than that. Can't remember what it was now.

A direct can't be far away now if the leaks are coming out.

The_B_Man · 26-07-2016 03:18PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

No its older than that. Can't remember what it was now.

A direct can't be far away now if the leaks are coming out.

Was it this bad boy?

MilesMorales1 · 26-07-2016 03:22PM

No the controller was kinda like an old mobile phone.

Retr0gamer · 26-07-2016 03:38PM

o1s1n wrote: »

If it is more or less a dedicated handheld, I wonder what this means for the DS/3DS franchise?

I guess NX is just it's codename, so will we see it somehow fit into that? Maybe even a new Gameboy? :pac:

It's more than likely going to replace the 3DS as the new handheld. The 3DS has been on life support the last two years only being sustained by Nintendo releases and a handful of niche RPG games from the likes of Atlus. Nintendo is rapidly losing it's handheld presence to mobile in japan which means they are losing developers there as well.

Myrddin wrote: »

Is a handheld that houses detachable controllers not going to be very large in size? I'm picturing something like an Xbox One equivalent, squashed into the size of a Vita...it's the detachable controllers thing I can't get my head around. Would they be the integrated controls, but slide off the main unit (ie imagine the stick & buttons separating off of a 3DS)?

It reminds me of the old game and watch units that came with detachable controllers. Pretty sure this will come with a stand unit built in. Nintendo has taken design inspiration from the game and watch systems multiple times before so I'd imagine something similar.

quad_red wrote: »

This is Nintendo utterly throwing in the towel at trying to get third party games onto their platform.

Maybe in the West but I imagine that 3DS development will jump to the NX. The console market is in big trouble in the West although sales of the PS4 whitewash it a bit. combined console sales are down in the west compared to the same point in the life cycle of previous gen consoles. I think Nintendo are just abandoning the home console market and focusing on winning back the mobile market, something I think they won't be able to do but at the same time the home console market is similarly poison at the moment.

With a handheld successor they have more of a chance of standing out since the 3DS was well received by the hardcore and its social features were quite popular at the likes of conventions. They've also still got their big, publically recognisable franchises they can fall back on, something the likes of Sony and MS just don't have. Pokémon Go's success is testament to just how much pulling power they can have.

I'd love it to be a success but mobile is king at the moment and is probably going to take over the entire mass market in the next few years like it has in Japan. As Kat Bailey was saying it's the darkest timeline for games but there'll always be more enthusiast games especially on more open platforms like PC. I just don't want to see Nintendo disappear from the gaming landscape. They provide something a lot more interesting beyond the bland landscape of triple A dreck that in previous gens I wouldn't give the time of day to.

Retr0gamer · 26-07-2016 03:39PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

No the controller was kinda like an old mobile phone.

The Atari 5200

Lu Tze · 26-07-2016 03:47PM

I don't game a huge amount, don't have a console. Have a decent PC for non gaming reasons, so have a graphics card in that for when I feel like gaming. Would be very interested in this, especially if the back catalogues from previous consoles arrive with it.

The other consoles don't interest me, the majority of games if I want them are on PC, wouldn't be able to justify the outlay for an Xbox or PlayStation. Wii u seemed expensive, due I imagine to the tablet controller, bit has loads of games not available anywhere else.

Love the idea of it. I would imagine when used as a handheld with maybe a 720p screen the CPU/GPU will clock down, to save battery and it wouldn't be required to push games at the lower res. Stick it on the dock (home console) when its powered from the mains and it clocks up again able to push out a higher resolution (to the TV).

Vyse · 26-07-2016 03:49PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The Atari 5200

Or maybe the colecovision?

Star Lord · 26-07-2016 03:49PM

Myrddin wrote: »

Is a handheld that houses detachable controllers not going to be very large in size? I'm picturing something like an Xbox One equivalent, squashed into the size of a Vita...it's the detachable controllers thing I can't get my head around. Would they be the integrated controls, but slide off the main unit (ie imagine the stick & buttons separating off of a 3DS)?

I'm picturing something akin to the NES/SNES controllers (with thumbsticks, and/or DPads) that'll slide out of each side of the console, sideways, so when you're using it normally, you'll use the stick from one controller and the buttons from the other...

Done a quick/rough mock up of the idea I've got in my head...

MilesMorales1 · 26-07-2016 03:50PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The Atari 5200

Thats the one.

That looks a bit big to me.

CastorTroy · 26-07-2016 03:56PM

Star Lord wrote: »

I'm picturing something akin to the NES/SNES controllers (with thumbsticks, and/or DPads) that'll slide out of each side of the console, sideways, so when you're using it normally, you'll use the stick from one controller and the buttons from the other...

Done a quick/rough mock up of the idea I've got in my head...

I'd say the detached controller will be a single controller and not 2 separate controllers. think Wiimote and Nunchuck. Assuming they're wireless, I'd be happy with this. One of my favourite things about the Wii controls was how comfortable it was to keep the hands apart

Star Lord · 26-07-2016 04:11PM

CastorTroy wrote: »

I'd say the detached controller will be a single controller and not 2 separate controllers. think Wiimote and Nunchuck. Assuming they're wireless, I'd be happy with this. One of my favourite things about the Wii controls was how comfortable it was to keep the hands apart

They've actually updated the Eurogamer article with an image of their concept of it:

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Gunmonkey · 26-07-2016 04:13PM

Well its meant to be that you play 2 player with the 2 controllers when its docked and connected to a screen, so can assume they will be identical.

Wonder what this means for existing controllers? Will Wiimotes be usable, or WiiU Pro controllers?

MilesMorales1 · 26-07-2016 04:24PM

Neogaf says official reveal or direct in september.

Retr0gamer · 26-07-2016 04:48PM

The September reveal has been official for a while. Maybe the leak will force Nintendo's hand though.

I wonder what the form factor will be. I'm guessing it would need to be Galaxy S Note size to really work as a mobile gaming device. I hope it's clam shell as well, it works great to protect the screen but somehow I believe it will have a very slim form factor.

Corholio · 26-07-2016 04:50PM

One of the more interesting rumours is the Tegra X2 one, which seem to be from a bit less reliable sources. If it is an X2, which is still an unknown quantity really, it COULD be a pretty powerful machine.

megaten · 26-07-2016 04:52PM

Sounds great to me. I mostly own a 3DS for JRPGs so hopefully this means I'll get to play those series on a TV and also home console Nintendo games I would have also missed out on.

Retr0gamer · 26-07-2016 04:55PM

The PS4 is a pretty big flop in Japan and Dragon Quest 11 will be launching on NX and PS4 around launch there so maybe it will give the NX a push in Japan since they are mostly a portable/mobile nation now?

MilesMorales1 · 26-07-2016 05:02PM

Even if there's no BC with 3DS/Wii U disc and software native to it, I hope VC stuff transfers.

sligeach · 26-07-2016 05:42PM

While it's great to be getting some rumours/news, don't know if it's real, Eurogamer makes me think it could be real, I'm not a fan of what I'm hearing. Sounds gimmicky, sounds weak, and that they might be abandoning the console market. I need to hear more but I want a powerful console with 3rd party support and parity with the competition.

Corholio · 26-07-2016 06:15PM

sligeach wrote: »

While it's great to be getting some rumours/news, don't know if it's real, Eurogamer makes me think it could be real, I'm not a fan of what I'm hearing. Sounds gimmicky, sounds weak, and that they might be abandoning the console market. I need to hear more but I want a powerful console with 3rd party support and parity with the competition.

This was very unlikely to happen, and it doesn't make much business sense to go this route imo. The console market is rapidly changing and changing in a downhill way. Nintendo making an exact rival to Sony and MS would be great in theory but by the time they catch up with the ground Sony, particularly, has made the market will already have changed again. I'm not for a second saying what this NX sounds like is the way to go because it's all very unknown, but a straight forward rival to Sony and MS wouldn't have been the best business choice in the current console climate imo.

super_furry · 26-07-2016 06:19PM

Just hope that if it is the Tegra K1 chip there's more than one of them, otherwise thing thing is going to be less powerful than the Xbox 360. Design will be crucial too, don't think anyone wants another Linx Vision.

linx-vision-8-gamepad.jpg?itok=HKrBjwN_

riclad · 26-07-2016 06:40PM

This sounds like a bad idea to me,
a handheld unit more powerful than a 360 console.
It,ll probably have limited battery life .
Sounds like an android tablet with controllers .
I thought they might make a console as powerful as the xbox 1.
They are leaving the console market ,
Its a handheld unit with a tv docking station.
It sounds like they are aiming at the asian mobile market and nintendo fans .
The ps4 is a hit cos its powerful ,with a good controller ,easy to use.
With optical discs and digital download store .
Casual gamers ,cod gamers , wont be buying this .
i would not play games on any console that has not got dual analog control
sticks .
Action fps gamers will not buy a console with controllers like this .

Theres a reason why the ps2, ps4 xbox controllers look
similar ,
gamers need a controller to be a certain shape to play fast action games
like cod or resident evil.
analog sticks and dpads placed in a certain space on a pad.
It looks like a portable version of the wiu with detachable controllers
and a docking station.
Unless it sells millions i dont expect a lot of 3rd party games to be released on this console.
The controllers will need to be small and flat to fit onto a portable console.
I think nintendo think theres no point in making a console like the xbox ,
we cant compete with them , at that price range and make a profit on it.

Retr0gamer · 26-07-2016 07:03PM

Competing with the PS4 is folly at this stage. The PS4 owns what little is left of the market at this stage. People are happy with the PS4. Trying for a new audience is what Nintendo have left and if they bring their handheld player base across they might just have a decent install base to market to.

super_furry · 26-07-2016 07:10PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Competing with the PS4 is folly at this stage. The PS4 owns what little is left of the market at this stage. People are happy with the PS4. Trying for a new audience is what Nintendo have left and if they bring their handheld player base across they might just have a decent install base to market to.

Plus if they can convince Capcom to bring Monster Hunter over from the 3DS to the NX, they already own Japan.

MilesMorales1 · 26-07-2016 07:12PM

Which part did Nintendo think Sony/MS were going to copy? The Vita is dead, MS has no portable console and already have new console iterations on the way. Seems weird.

Makes sense though, very Nintendo. They try to follow Sony/MS they'll fail again. Forge their own path like they always have, might get something out of it.

CiDeRmAn · 26-07-2016 07:35PM

Well, if any of this speculation pans out to be true, that Nintendo are replacing the 3DS and making the new handheld work with your TV, I will be gutted.
I have enjoyed Nintendo home and handheld hardware for many, many years now, and see the big differences between home and on the go gaming, and how that is reflected in their respective outputs.
The idea that Nintendo have somehow thrown in the towel in terms of state of the art home gaming, that we will not be seeing the big franchises like GTA coming to the new format, is just going to cut into their chances of making money from the adult gaming market.
Like it or not, most handheld gamers are much younger than the home console equivalent, and that's just going to compound the perception of Nintendo as a "kids console maker" when they shift to a handheld only device.
Regardless of the NX's nature, that it will plug into your TV, it will be seen as just another handheld.
Maybe, certainly Nintendo will make lots of money with the handheld crowd, but I can't help but be very disappointed at yet another underpowered console that can't be bothered to even try to compete with the PS4/XB1 of this world.

Retr0gamer · 26-07-2016 07:42PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Maybe, certainly Nintendo will make lots of money with the handheld crowd, but I can't help but be very disappointed at yet another underpowered console that can't be bothered to even try to compete with the PS4/XB1 of this world.

I don't really mind. As long as there is somewhere to play Nintendo games I'm happy. The XB1 and PS4 are absolute garbage consoles with little to offer that a decent PC doesn't already do better. This is the first generation where I'm almost exclusively gaming on PC because of how poor console exclusive output has been and now every XB1 exclusive is coming to PC as well.

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Which part did Nintendo think Sony/MS were going to copy? The Vita is dead, MS has no portable console and already have new console iterations on the way. Seems weird.

MS and Sony are well aware that the console market is going to be superceded by the mobile market eventually and it's already hurting them... well maybe not Sony but only because they took most of the Xbox market share. I think Nintendo will think they will see this as a product that can compete with mobile devices. I doubt it will (although if accepts sim cards that might make things interesting).

OwaynOTT · 26-07-2016 07:57PM

Does this mean that the WiiU version of Zelda will be the better version? Or will the nx be more powerful despite its possible handheld guise?

Corholio · 26-07-2016 08:04PM

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Does this mean that the WiiU version of Zelda will be the better version? Or will the nx be more powerful despite its possible handheld guise?

I was thinking about this as well. Nintendo were fairly adamant that the NX version would be the superior one so either Eurogamer don't really know the full power of the whole unit or they only know the handheld details and aren't quite sure of the 'cradle' part.

Star Lord · 26-07-2016 08:08PM

The Tegra X1 (not K1 that someone mentioned above) would be pretty powerful, it's the chip in the nVidia Shield. If it's the X2 or somewhere between the X1 and X2, it should be pretty damn good.

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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