Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

Giacomo McGubbin · 24-07-2016 08:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You've been given a full transcript of Mary's mothers opinion.

Again this isn't true, none of the links gave her full opinion, or answered anything I asked at all.

Deleted User wrote: »

I fail to see what more you can be told. As Oranbhoy said, why don't you try asking her?

As simple "I don't know" instead of trying to make up what I asked, and calling me names for asking questions.

Deleted User wrote: »

I haven't seen any panic in response to your asking for balance.
My own honest opinion is that your questions were, at best, overly intrusive, and insensitive.

I asked for the mothers side of the story, and the basis for the allegations against the mother. I got neither, but I got a whole lot of panic and name calling instead, which actually raises my suspicions, not allays them.

24-07-2016 08:57PM

jenny smith wrote: »

On that Highland Radio clip Gemma says she would not object to any journalist calling to any door when investigating the murder of a child and that is "normal" /"what we do". Well, a journalist has no power to question anyone and no one has any obligation to speak to them.They can knock on the door as I could but have no authority to demand answers

I was once living where a murder happened and the gardai did house to house. We had to speak to them and fill in forms. We would have no such obligation for a journalist. A journalist has no power in law an ordinary citizen hasn't though some seem to think they do as 'investigators'. Gardai do have powers to question

I have to admit, I did find that Highland Radio interview offputting.

I think it was rather presumptuous of her to assume that "ANY mother" would react as she expects them to.
People are different. They react differently. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just human nature.

Giacomo McGubbin · 24-07-2016 09:46PM

I've listened to the entire Highland interview in January, and thanks to Oranbhoy for putting it up.

Mary's mother's opinion about what happened Mary that day is as follows :

"I don't know what happened Mary, I'm Mary's mother and have not got a clue. Other people seem to know, but I don't know... I was there that day, and I don't know what happened to Mary, and I honestly do not know, and neither can our Ann, and neither can anybody else. There is no use in claiming that they do know, because they don't, that's only hear say they are at."

I really feel sorry for the whole family, and the Mother is being very unfairly portrayed by this recent documentary. These are ordinary people who don't know how to handle pushy ambitious media types or journalists spinning and sensationalising only what they want to. In fact who would. I can understand why the Mother is weary of the stories and journalists after 39 years of them, and the family often feuding under the pressure of it all and the quotes being fired at them. It must be horrendous for both the Mother and Daughter.

After hearing the interview with Gemma O'Doherty on Highland radio from January, my opinion of her has changed. She largely ignored the very fair points and questions the local presenter Sean Doherty was trying to put to her, she was more interested in speaking over the top of him, while he was trying to be very balanced and fair to both the mother and the daughter.

jenny smith · 24-07-2016 10:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have to admit, I did find that Highland Radio interview offputting.

I think it was rather presumptuous of her to assume that "ANY mother" would react as she expects them to.
People are different. They react differently. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just human nature.

She is very presumptious and entitled. That is a journalist who thinks she has powers a garda has

https://vid.me/YpaO not working?

jenny smith · 24-07-2016 10:34PM

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

I've listened to the entire Highland interview in January, and thanks to Oranbhoy for putting it up.

Mary's mother's opinion about what happened Mary that day is as follows :

I really feel sorry for the whole family, and the Mother is being very unfairly portrayed by this recent documentary. These are ordinary people who don't know how to handle pushy ambitious media types or journalists spinning and sensationalising only what they want to. In fact who would. I can understand why the Mother is weary of the stories and journalists after 39 years of them, and the family often feuding under the pressure of it all and the quotes being fired at them. It must be horrendous for both the Mother and Daughter.

After hearing the interview with Gemma O'Doherty on Highland radio from January, my opinion of her has changed. She largely ignored the very fair points and questions the local presenter Sean Doherty was trying to put to her, she was more interested in speaking over the top of him, while he was trying to be very balanced and fair to both the mother and the daughter.

She was very arrogant with him

Stepping Stone · 24-07-2016 10:42PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

If you were to read the whole thread ( ill be like you and make an an assumption that you havent) you will see my opinions on Ms O Doherty

my other replies to your points are in bold above

Actually, I have read the thread in its entirety. Again, I was voicing concerns that naivety about the legal process in particular could undermine any progress made.

There seems to be a general lack of understanding around legal proceedings, which is worrying when you consider what is at risk. Surely you need to find out the legal consequences of what you are saying on here before you go much further? You have publically identified yourself and made some particularly strong statements. Don't you think that it would be wise as a family to get some legal advice?

Incidentally, I suspect that the Gardai are liaising with Mrs Boyle as she is legally Mary's next of kin. You appear to have evidence regarding the case but no faith in the Ballyshannon Gardai. Why don't you travel out of the area to give your evidence? You can hardly blame the authorities for not progressing with an inquiry when you are withholding information. Again, I would urge you to speak to a solicitor and get their advice on this. You are publically stating here that you are withholding information.

HollyM46 · 24-07-2016 10:44PM

The gardai involved in the case submitted reports about concerns on suspect and possibility of reoffending. Ann Doherty submitted evidence which she felt warranted further investigation at the least. From what was left unsaid can only presume that this not acted on. As regards politics being left out of this, don't you think the politicians are doing the job of keeping themselves involved in this. What about the sound being cut at the MacGill summer school when Jim O'Callaghan questioned about Mary?

Going Forward · 24-07-2016 10:49PM

Stepping Stone wrote: »

Actually, I have read the thread in its entirety. Again, I was voicing concerns that naivety about the legal process in particular could undermine any progress made.

There seems to be a general lack of understanding around legal proceedings, which is worrying when you consider what is at risk. Surely you need to find out the legal consequences of what you are saying on here before you go much further? You have publically identified yourself and made some particularly strong statements. Don't you think that it would be wise as a family to get some legal advice?

Incidentally, I suspect that the Gardai are liaising with Mrs Boyle as she is legally Mary's next of kin. You appear to have evidence regarding the case but no faith in the Ballyshannon Gardai. Why don't you travel out of the area to give your evidence? You can hardly blame the authorities for not progressing with an inquiry when you are withholding information. Again, I would urge you to speak to a solicitor and get their advice on this. You are publically stating here that you are withholding information.

Good advice about the legal advice.

But in relation to any evidence, where would you suggest he go?

People scoffed at Margo and Mary's sister for going to Pearse St. Gda Station.

Genuine question BTW!

I doubt any Garda is going to be able to pull rank one way or another.

I also suspect that some members have misgivings about how it was investigated but to raise them would plunge the force into further unwanted controversy.

Something it hardly needs.

Going Forward · 24-07-2016 11:01PM

jenny smith wrote: »

She is very presumptious and entitled. That is a journalist who thinks she has powers a garda has

https://vid.me/YpaO not working?

Can you just clarify for me, G Od said Collins was close to retirement when he brought the suspect in for questioning, 15 years after Marys disappearance, and Collins states that he put those 3 questions to him, particularly the last question.

Now, is there any possibility that that was the only time he asked him that question??

Unless I've missed it, it certainly didn't say he'd asked him that before.

oranbhoy67 · 24-07-2016 11:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have to admit, I did find that Highland Radio interview offputting.

I think it was rather presumptuous of her to assume that "ANY mother" would react as she expects them to.
People are different. They react differently. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just human nature.

jenny smith wrote: »

She was very arrogant with him

I am not Gemmas biggest fan, infact I've not had contact with her since before the documentary. but we really have to see beyond her, and to the case itself, she is just the medium through which what we believe the truth has been told.

she complains often that the mainstream media won't touch the story , I have reasons to believe that this is because of her attitude- which to say rubs people up the wrong what would be an understatement .

I still think that Investigative journalists in Ireland should be doing a better job on this DESPITE her presence in this case, I doubt she will help any of them out but why aren't journalists up here interviewing the other poacher? why aren't they up here covering the dig ? why aren't they trying to get their own interviews with the 2 gards?? they have much more resources available to them than Gemma does , and I'd say most haven't alienated so many people as she sadly has.

jenny smith · 24-07-2016 11:19PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

I am not Gemmas biggest fan, infact I've not had contact with her since before the documentary. but we really have to see beyond her, and to the case itself, she is just the medium through which what we believe the truth has been told.

she complains often that the mainstream media won't touch the story , I have reasons to believe that this is because of her attitude- which to say rubs people up the wrong what would be an understatement .

I still think that Investigative journalists in Ireland should be doing a better job on this DESPITE her presence in this case, I doubt she will help any of them out but why aren't journalists up here interviewing the other poacher? why aren't they up here covering the dig ? why aren't they trying to get their own interviews with the 2 gards?? they have much more resources available to them than Gemma does , and I'd say most haven't alienated so many people as she sadly has.

She does not want them to touch the story. she wants them to publish and back her spin on it. It has been in the mainstream media.The examiner on saturday - i think. And recently the star and the mirror. on highland she sneered at the mirror and said she did not want to know what was in it re Black

jenny smith · 24-07-2016 11:28PM

Going Forward wrote: »

Can you just clarify for me, G Od said Collins was close to retirement when he brought the suspect in for questioning, 15 years after Marys disappearance, and Collins states that he put those 3 questions to him, particularly the last question.

Now, is there any possibility that that was the only time he asked him that question??

Unless I've missed it, it certainly didn't say he'd asked him that before.

I cannot be 100% because i would have to watch the full doc again. But i think you are right. He says earlier he put more or less the same possibilities to the relative of the suspect who followed him in the car

Murray asked him " Just tell us where the child is", a fairly loaded question really, before he got the nudge

oranbhoy67 · 24-07-2016 11:32PM

jenny smith wrote: »

She does not want them to touch the story. she wants them to publish and back her spin on it. It has been in the mainstream media.The examiner on saturday - i think. And recently the star and the mirror. on highland she sneered at the mirror and said she did not want to know what was in it re Black

I agree with the sentiment of your post but to be fair Anne wasn't the calmest neither , you can hear her voice change as soon as her Daughter and Gemma was mentioned.

And also to be fair the Mirror shouldn't have printed anything to do with Black and Mary together.. he was ruled out of Marys case years ago , it was very lazy journalism.

As Anne said there was a very tenous link between Black and Dungloe which is the closest biggest town to where Mary lived that link has bever been 100% established AFAIK ..anyway, Mary went missing 2 hours drive away. its that kind of lazy journalism that gets on my wick , in the 80s I was brought up believing it was Travellers who took Mary (My uncle was took around their halting sites in Birmingham to see could he recognise his niece)
In the 90s it changed to Black, and then in the last few years to McMahon, people talk a lot about what evidence is there to take our suspect in for questioning.. what evidence was there to take McMahon in??

jenny smith · 24-07-2016 11:37PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

I agree with the sentiment of your post but to be fair Anne wasn't the calmest neither , you can hear her voice change as soon as her Daughter and Gemma was mentioned.

And also to be fair the Mirror shouldn't have printed anything to do with Black and Mary together.. he was ruled out of Marys case years ago , it was very lazy journalism.

As Anne said there was a very tenous link between Black and Dungloe which is the closest biggest town to where Mary lived that link has bever been 100% established AFAIK ..anyway, Mary went missing 2 hours drive away. its that kind of lazy journalism that gets on my wick , in the 80s I was brought up believing it was Travellers who took Mary (My uncle was took around their halting sites in Birmingham to see could he recognise his niece)
In the 90s it changed to Black, and then in the last few years to McMahon, people talk a lot about what evidence is there to take our suspect in for questioning.. what evidence was there to take McMahon in??

Fair points. i suppose you saw this press cutting about the search. i pulled it from the doc. Did not really notice you could read it until searching for clips earlier

oranbhoy67 · 24-07-2016 11:41PM

jenny smith wrote: »

She does not want them to touch the story. she wants them to publish and back her spin on it. It has been in the mainstream media.The examiner on saturday - i think. And recently the star and the mirror. on highland she sneered at the mirror and said she did not want to know what was in it re Black

also the examiner on Saturday was an opinion piece - an opinion that we and anyone else who believes marys twin is a conspiracy nut / shinner or both and the Documentary contained nothing but hearsay .. well did he expect the documentary to lay out all the evidence we have on a table and therefore potentially prejudice any trial ??
No the documentary was quite obviously put out to try and inform the viewing public as much as it could to who they think is responsible and also put out the ex-gardai's allegations of political interference and air their worries that the Gardai never took the man in for serious questioning.

he was also banging on about Social Media , well if Traditional Media was doing its job correctly then people wouldn't be taking to social media to vent their absolute frustration at this case.

When is RTE or the likes going to do a really serious report into this , do these latest allegations not warrant something from them at least??

Scaredy_Cat · 25-07-2016 12:06AM

jenny smith wrote: »

Fair points. i suppose you saw this press cutting about the search. i pulled it from the doc. Did not really notice you could read it until searching for clips earlier

Who is the Inspector PJ Daly? Is he still around now? I don't remember seeing his name before.

Also I've noticed some articles (Inc this one) mention a laneway between the houses, I thought it was fields??

oranbhoy67 · 25-07-2016 12:08AM

Stepping Stone wrote: »

Actually, I have read the thread in its entirety. Again, I was voicing concerns that naivety about the legal process in particular could undermine any progress made.

There seems to be a general lack of understanding around legal proceedings, which is worrying when you consider what is at risk. Surely you need to find out the legal consequences of what you are saying on here before you go much further? You have publically identified yourself and made some particularly strong statements. Don't you think that it would be wise as a family to get some legal advice?

Incidentally, I suspect that the Gardai are liaising with Mrs Boyle as she is legally Mary's next of kin. You appear to have evidence regarding the case but no faith in the Ballyshannon Gardai. Why don't you travel out of the area to give your evidence? You can hardly blame the authorities for not progressing with an inquiry when you are withholding information. Again, I would urge you to speak to a solicitor and get their advice on this. You are publically stating here that you are withholding information.

I travelled to Ballyshannon Garda station and spoke to the gardai he said he would call me the next week or come and visit me, he didnt

So i rang a few weeks later and he said he was on holiday , he rang me back the week after but caught me at a bad time and I forgot to include some things I later thought might be worth telling.

So the next day I rang back and was told he would ring me back soon as i said before this was the day the documentary came out , im not gonna go running after gards non-stop especially from a station where I believe in a politician has had too much power over it at times.. a politician who is still active today, im witholding nothing. I rang the gards to give them my info despite my mistrust and they haven't bothered there arse to ring me back

oranbhoy67 · 25-07-2016 12:09AM

Scaredy_Cat wrote: »

Who is the Inspector PJ Daly? Is he still around now? I don't remember seeing his name before.

Also I've noticed some articles (Inc this one) mention a laneway between the houses, I thought it was fields??

it was fields. definitely, the only laneway from the house is out to the road that the mcCaleys also lived in

oranbhoy67 · 25-07-2016 12:14AM

jenny smith wrote: »

i did a search on highland radio for the full interview but cannot find it. That is not your fault.
Her position in 18 April 2013
http://www.highlandradio.com/2013/04/18/new-search-for-missing-mary-boyle-turns-up-nothing-but-rocks/

some insightful comments on there - my thoughts are in bold

Gardai have carried out another search of land where Mary Boyle disappeared 36 years ago.

Her mother Ann Boyle said she was told by gardai last night that an area pinpointed by the Sunday World as a possible grave was searched yesterday(Wed) and nothing was discovered.

Mrs Boyle said there was nothing there but rocks.

The paper had reported a geo-physical scan revealed “significant disturbance” in the ground metres from where Mary was last seen alive on March 18, 1977, when she disappeared as a six-year-old.

Mrs Boyle, who lives in Kincasslagh, said reports of the scan had greatly upset her. why would reports that people were trying to find your daughters remains greatly upset you??

She also said she disagrees with her daughter Ann Doherty – Mary’s twin – that there should be an inquest. why??

Ann Boyle said it hurts her not knowing what happened to Mary. She, too, thinks her daughter may be dead – but she said she also still holds on to hope that she may be found alive and wants no inquest. again why the insistence on no inquest and it shouldn't be down to her anyway , and as you will see in the documentary there is plenty of times she has admitted she knows now mary has passed on

She said no matter what anybody believes there is no evidence that Mary died and as her mother she was hanging on to any hope she could.

Mary was visiting her grandparents at Cashelard, outside Ballyshannon, when she vanished. Her uncle Gerard, who still lives in South Donegal, was the last person to see her as she followed him to a neighbour’s house across a swamp. She is believed to have turned back along the way and was never seen again.

Going Forward · 25-07-2016 12:29AM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

some insightful comments on there - my thoughts are in bold

Gardai have carried out another search of land where Mary Boyle disappeared 36 years ago.

Her mother Ann Boyle said she was told by gardai last night that an area pinpointed by the Sunday World as a possible grave was searched yesterday(Wed) and nothing was discovered.

Mrs Boyle said there was nothing there but rocks.

The paper had reported a geo-physical scan revealed “significant disturbance” in the ground metres from where Mary was last seen alive on March 18, 1977, when she disappeared as a six-year-old.

Mrs Boyle, who lives in Kincasslagh, said reports of the scan had greatly upset her. why would reports that people were trying to find your daughters remains greatly upset you??

She also said she disagrees with her daughter Ann Doherty – Mary’s twin – that there should be an inquest. why??

Ann Boyle said it hurts her not knowing what happened to Mary. She, too, thinks her daughter may be dead – but she said she also still holds on to hope that she may be found alive and wants no inquest. again why the insistence on no inquest and it shouldn't be down to her anyway , and as you will see in the documentary there is plenty of times she has admitted she knows now mary has passed on

She said no matter what anybody believes there is no evidence that Mary died and as her mother she was hanging on to any hope she could.

Mary was visiting her grandparents at Cashelard, outside Ballyshannon, when she vanished. Her uncle Gerard, who still lives in South Donegal, was the last person to see her as she followed him to a neighbour’s house across a swamp. She is believed to have turned back along the way and was never seen again.

When was the first time the allegation of political interference was made public?

Maeve Sheehan wrote this article in October 15, and it carries quotes from ex Det Gda Murray mentioning it.

It's hard to tell whether she actually interviewed him for the article or whether she's covering a story covered elsewhere.

Just wondering when or was that the first time he said it on record.

oranbhoy67 · 25-07-2016 04:03AM

Going Forward wrote: »

When was the first time the allegation of political interference was made public?

Maeve Sheehan wrote this article in October 15, and it carries quotes from ex Det Gda Murray mentioning it.

It's hard to tell whether she actually interviewed him for the article or whether she's covering a story covered elsewhere.

Just wondering when or was that the first time he said it on record.

just googled that there was the first time I seen it in all honesty, I wasn't involved till March this year cos my cousin is the type to keep stuff to herself so I didn't delve into it until I happened to see a post on another forum and then delved deeper into it and got told the full story

Going Forward · 25-07-2016 08:51AM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

just googled that there was the first time I seen it in all honesty, I wasn't involved till March this year cos my cousin is the type to keep stuff to herself so I didn't delve into it until I happened to see a post on another forum and then delved deeper into it and got told the full story

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/retired-cop-recalls-rumours-of-political-influence-in-missing-mary-boyle-probe-31599476.html

Thats the article, thought I'd linked it.

It's not billed as an Exclusive, it's not even front page news by the looks of it.

When did G OD start talking publcly about there being a political connection I wonder, before or after this story?

It seems like it is only now that there is the big fuss being made about something that was actually published last October, 9 months later.

And it seems that the likes of Mick Clifford who's article was both clever and chidish IMO was only prompted because Gemma OD is involved.

He didn't write anything about when Maeve Sheehan published the claim.

It looks like sour grapes.

There was no interest and no social media discussion (or not on any similar scale) when Maeve Sheehan said much the same thing as what OD is saying now, albeit with the help of the documentary.

You'd have a hard time believing that some journalists just have the knives out for OD now simply because they themselves overlooked (for whatever reason) the option of latching on to the political aspect.

It can be hard for one journalist to credit another's work at the best of times.

But the other journalist is someone they all aspire to and praise afterwards if and when that journalist is proven right.

Like OD winning unfair dismissal.

I think it's now important to try and find out who published the political interference allegation first, which journalist.

If it wasn't OD it may explain the feeling OD has of not getting support from the media and if it was she may feel she's not been credited for it. Tough world though.

If the media knew of the political interference story but OD's profile is on a wave now because she's the only one who really picked up on it and made it news again, you could understand a reluctance for them to play down the allegations now.

edit: http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/10/01/mary-boyle-and-political-interference/

This appears to be where Maeve Sheehan got the story from, without crediting O Doherty for it.

25-07-2016 12:26PM

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

Again this isn't true, none of the links gave her full opinion, or answered anything I asked at all.

As simple "I don't know" instead of trying to make up what I asked, and calling me names for asking questions.

I asked for the mothers side of the story, and the basis for the allegations against the mother. I got neither, but I got a whole lot of panic and name calling instead, which actually raises my suspicions, not allays them.

What allegations? What panic?
You asked a very loaded question - one that could have had serious legal implications.
I don't want to see any prosecutions hampered because some unknown person on an internet forum feels entitled to ask loaded questions on Boards. As I said, I personally considered the questions to be overly intrusive and insensitive. If you want to try to portray that as "name calling", good luck to you. Don't think for one minute that you have a right to ask leading questions on Boards, without being called out on it. That's not how discussion forums work, anymore than being a member of a forum gives you a right to demand answers that people are not in a position to give.

I have no regrets about anything I posted in reply, for the very simple reason that I have made no allegations about anybody, have no reason whatsoever to panic, and my only motivation for posting here is that, like many people, I have concerns about the case, and would like to see the case being resolved, ideally with a successful prosecution, but even if the truth could be found out, it would be better than the current situation.

jenny smith wrote: »

She is very presumptious and entitled. That is a journalist who thinks she has powers a garda has

not working?

Working now, thanks! I don't know what was wrong last night.

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

some insightful comments on there - my thoughts are in bold

Gardai have carried out another search of land where Mary Boyle disappeared 36 years ago.

Her mother Ann Boyle said she was told by gardai last night that an area pinpointed by the Sunday World as a possible grave was searched yesterday(Wed) and nothing was discovered.

Mrs Boyle said there was nothing there but rocks.

The paper had reported a geo-physical scan revealed “significant disturbance” in the ground metres from where Mary was last seen alive on March 18, 1977, when she disappeared as a six-year-old.

Mrs Boyle, who lives in Kincasslagh, said reports of the scan had greatly upset her. why would reports that people were trying to find your daughters remains greatly upset you??

She also said she disagrees with her daughter Ann Doherty – Mary’s twin – that there should be an inquest. why??

Ann Boyle said it hurts her not knowing what happened to Mary. She, too, thinks her daughter may be dead – but she said she also still holds on to hope that she may be found alive and wants no inquest. again why the insistence on no inquest and it shouldn't be down to her anyway , and as you will see in the documentary there is plenty of times she has admitted she knows now mary has passed on

She said no matter what anybody believes there is no evidence that Mary died and as her mother she was hanging on to any hope she could.

Mary was visiting her grandparents at Cashelard, outside Ballyshannon, when she vanished. Her uncle Gerard, who still lives in South Donegal, was the last person to see her as she followed him to a neighbour’s house across a swamp. She is believed to have turned back along the way and was never seen again.

Oranbhoy, I don't know why Mrs Boyle is feeling the way she does. No offence, and it's none of my business, but I think it's sad that she has more or less lost two daughters, and Ann junior has more or less lost her Mother as well as her sister, so I'm wondering about these possibilities, because I'm a bit of a sap, and I don't like to see a horrible situation made any worse. So, I'll put forward these possibilities, based on her interview.

Maybe she just can't psychologically take any more? Maybe she doesn't want a body to be found, because then there would be no hope left?

Maybe her hopes have been dashed so many times, that she just can't face the thought of any more trauma?

I will admit, I don't understand why she wouldn't want an inquest after her death, if she can't face one now.

Still, I have sympathy for her position. It's probably not the position I would take, if I were her - who really knows, though, unless they've gone through exactly what she has?
People tend to cope the best they can when disaster strikes. The methods of coping can be, and usually are, different, according to peoples life experiences and personalities.
That her response is different to her daughters is not all that surprising, but it's an awful pity that they are estranged. It might be easier for both of them if they could support one another, rather than effectively losing another family member.

Whatever her reasons, there's no point in discussing them here, anyway.
As I said in the post above, I don't think the questions should have been asked in the first place. Whatever disagreement there is between family members is not anyone else's business, and wont serve to help find Mary, which is what this thread is about, no matter who feels they have a right to lead the thread in another direction.

Just my two cents worth.

oranbhoy67 · 25-07-2016 12:49PM

I only got involved with My cousins case in March as I was not on twitter till i found out and signed up then to help out in whatever way i could when i found out from my own digging around the web .. and my cousin never posts about it on facebook apart from sharing Articles etc and I didn't want to be sending her PMs being nosey whenever news did crop up.

I am now Blocked from O Doherty's Twitter so I don't know when she started making the allegations of political interference as I can't look through her timeline

Going Forward wrote: »

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It looks like sour grapes.

There was no interest and no social media discussion (or not on any similar scale) when Maeve Sheehan said much the same thing as what OD is saying now, albeit with the help of the documentary.

You'd have a hard time believing that some journalists just have the knives out for OD now simply because they themselves overlooked (for whatever reason) the option of latching on to the political aspect.

edit: [/url]http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/10/01/mary-boyle-and-political-interference/

This appears to be where Maeve Sheehan got the story from, without crediting O Doherty for it.

Just qouting this part of your post , I know for a fact that certain Journalists have an extreme dislike for Gemma ( hey we can't all be liked) and there is others feel they were slighted somewhat in the documentary - they may very well have a point there - I just wish they would get over these petty differences and thoroughly investigate these claims and re-interview everyone involved with the case.

the other point you make is very Interesting RE Gemmas sacking , i think only two Irish Media sources came out and criticised the Independent for sacking her, (one was the phoenix I can't remember the other at the moment) when you see a journalist in another country getting sacked for something similar you see a tidal wave of articles and support from other journos

The silence in Ireland was deafening , which may also explain and help understand Gemma's attitude & general mistrust towards the Irish mainstream Media.

( for the record I think her sacking from the Independent was a disgrace and I'm glad she won her case)

I'm not asking all these people to work together if they have personal differences but the main jist of our campaigns issues are out their in the open now for all to see.. which journalist or team of Journalist is going to be the brave one to come forward do all they can to break this case and forget about petty issues about each other

jenny smith · 25-07-2016 01:41PM

Margo was on Tipp FM. she said the suspect would confess if he was arrested. She said the psychic was a man - Jan somebody, maybe Jan Steers. Mary's mother was referred to him by someone else

Going Forward · 25-07-2016 01:53PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

I only got involved with My cousins case in March as I was not on twitter till i found out and signed up then to help out in whatever way i could when i found out from my own digging around the web .. and my cousin never posts about it on facebook apart from sharing Articles etc and I didn't want to be sending her PMs being nosey whenever news did crop up.

I am now Blocked from O Doherty's Twitter so I don't know when she started making the allegations of political interference as I can't look through her timeline

Just qouting this part of your post , I know for a fact that certain Journalists have an extreme dislike for Gemma ( hey we can't all be liked) and there is others feel they were slighted somewhat in the documentary - they may very well have a point there - I just wish they would get over these petty differences and thoroughly investigate these claims and re-interview everyone involved with the case.

the other point you make is very Interesting RE Gemmas sacking , i think only two Irish Media sources came out and criticised the Independent for sacking her, (one was the phoenix I can't remember the other at the moment) when you see a journalist in another country getting sacked for something similar you see a tidal wave of articles and support from other journos

The silence in Ireland was deafening , which may also explain and help understand Gemma's attitude & general mistrust towards the Irish mainstream Media.

( for the record I think her sacking from the Independent was a disgrace and I'm glad she won her case)

I'm not asking all these people to work together if they have personal differences but the main jist of our campaigns issues are out their in the open now for all to see.. which journalist or team of Journalist is going to be the brave one to come forward do all they can to break this case and forget about petty issues about each other

At the end of the day theres this, she's a freelance journalist.
No one wants to be dictated to by her to run her story.

Her talk of the media not taking up the story won't make them either and will only end up burning bridges.

It's not without reason that the area of media that she wasn't working in, radio, has taken the story. Not RTE radio AFAIK.

mikeymouse · 25-07-2016 02:09PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

it was fields. definitely, the only laneway from the house is out to the road that the mcCaleys also lived in

OSI map 2000;

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,593369,863480,11,4

OSImap 1995:

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,593369,863480,11,5

fields only, no lane,
farm building at the end of the lane wasn't there then

oranbhoy67 · 25-07-2016 02:10PM

jenny smith wrote: »

Margo was on Tipp FM. she said the suspect would confess if he was arrested. She said the psychic was a man - Jan somebody, maybe Jan Steers. Mary's mother was referred to him by someone else

Marys mother indeed was referred to him in the early 80s & she went through all sort of diviners , mediums, Clairvoyants etc as one would do -even if sceptical- in such circumstances as you would be desperate to find out the truth.

now the word coming from certain opponents to Anne Doherty's campaign is that Margo and Anne Doherty are cranks who are acting solely on mediums advice etc . which is so far from the truth it would be laughable was it not so serious.

I am sceptical on that stuff, I believe mediums etc are frauds out to make a quick buck.. or at least 99.9% of them are.

But 2 stories - 1 that happened in a person that lives very near cashelard`s home, and the other which happened in one of my own sisters house in Scotland - both over a long period of time, has made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up in how similar they are in nature. .. just to clarify though that both these stories have absolutely nothing to do with our case .. our case is rooted firmly in this world ..so to speak.

oranbhoy67 · 25-07-2016 02:14PM

Going Forward wrote: »

At the end of the day theres this, she's a freelance journalist.
No one wants to be dictated to by her to run her story.

Her talk of the media not taking up the story won't make them either and will only end up burning bridges.

It's not without reason that the area of media that she wasn't working in, radio, has taken the story. Not RTE radio AFAIK.

I agree sadly

sadly because I think this case is a lot bigger to have professionals let differences get in their way.

Personally I am willing to work with any journalist to get this case resolved

oranbhoy67 · 25-07-2016 02:15PM

mikeymouse wrote: »

OSI map 2000;

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,593369,863480,11,4

OSImap 1995:

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,593369,863480,11,5

fields only, no lane,
farm building at the end of the lane wasn't there then

great work i never knew such a site existed , thats cleared up a few questions i had in my own mind

Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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