Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

DvB · 20-07-2016 12:45PM

To be fair to Icardi, he's playing for a very limited Inter side that has struggled to create chances the last couple of seasons. Wouldn't be the worst striker we could sign but wouldn't be at a level to push us into genuine title/Cl contender levels either... then again we need more than a striker to do that anyway.

As already mentioned, if we got him & Mahrez I'd sit up & take interest though.

Ken Shamrock · 20-07-2016 12:46PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Yeah, my point is that he's hardly better than Theo going forward, and contributes next to nothing defensively either, so can't really see the appeal...

He's a striker... why would he contribute defensively? I don't know him but i'd bet my life on the fact that he's better than Theo.

gosplan · 20-07-2016 12:48PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Yeah, my point is that he's hardly better than Theo going forward, and contributes next to nothing defensively either, so can't really see the appeal...

His shooting accuracy is worse than who we have.

Like worse than Giroud??

No point in comparing anyone to Walcott at this stage.

L'prof · 20-07-2016 12:51PM

Pter wrote: »

Goals to games ratio for Inter is decent. Not amazing, but decent. 47 in 88.

Hard to tell, since its the Italian league. But doesnt compare favourably with Higuain's 71 in 94.

I'd say it's more than decent. Anything under a goal every 2 games is very good! Beats Giroud's strike-rate for Arsenal, plus he's much younger than Higuain

I'd Prefer Higuain, but if they couldn't sign him I'd be reasonably happy with Icardi

20-07-2016 12:53PM

gosplan wrote: »

Like worse than Giroud??

No point in comparing anyone to Walcott at this stage.

Definitely not better than Giroud, probably a bit worse....and Giroud misses the target a lot.

I'm only comparing him to Walcott to illustrate how far away from being a World Class Striker he is.

gosplan · 20-07-2016 12:59PM

L'prof wrote: »

I'd say it's more than decent. Anything under a goal ever 2 games is very good! Beats Giroud's strike-rate for Arsenal, plus he's much younger than Higuain

I'd Prefer Higuain, but if they couldn't sign him I'd be reasonably happy with Icardi

One punch of salt is that Higuain has been more or less 1 in 2 all his career except this last year which was like 38 in 42 or something. Take that out and he's same.

20-07-2016 01:00PM

L'prof wrote: »

I'd say it's more than decent. Anything under a goal ever 2 games is very good! Beats Giroud's strike-rate for Arsenal, plus he's much younger than Higuain

I'd Prefer Higuain, but if they couldn't sign him I'd be reasonably happy with Icardi

He doesn't beat Giroud on goals per minutes played. Only when you look at games played, which is misleading. Giroud played 5 more games than him last season, but played more than a match less when looking at minutes.

I'm just surprised that people are happy with Icardi. I don't really know him, only looking at stats.

Ken Shamrock · 20-07-2016 01:03PM

Basil3 wrote: »

He doesn't beat Giroud on goals per minutes played. Only when you look at games played, which is misleading. Giroud played 5 more games than him last season, but played more than a match less when looking at minutes.

I'm just surprised that people are happy with Icardi. I don't really know him, only looking at stats.

If you don't know him then how can you say Theo is better than him going forward and he offers nothing defensively? Just talking out your hole.

20-07-2016 01:05PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

If you don't know him then how can you say Theo is better than him going forward and he offers nothing defensively? Just talking out your hole.

Errrr....I'm looking at their stats, as I just said. If you have a better assessment, then I'm all ears.

Ken Shamrock · 20-07-2016 01:07PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Errrr....I'm looking at their stats, as I just said. If you have a better assessment, then I'm all ears.

You're looking at stats and then making ridiculous statements that have nothing to do with stats, if you don't know a player then you can't give an assessment on them so why try with nonsense?

20-07-2016 01:12PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

You're looking at stats and then making ridiculous statements that have nothing to do with stats, if you don't know a player then you can't give an assessment on them so why try with nonsense?

I haven't made any statements that aren't to do with the stats I was looking at. There are more stats out there than 'goals scored'.

Anyway.....

farna_boy · 20-07-2016 01:13PM

Please tell me that we are not basing this speculation on the fact that his wife sent a tweet from London, saying nothing more than "good morning, friends".

Skylinehead · 20-07-2016 01:14PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Errrr....I'm looking at their stats, as I just said. If you have a better assessment, then I'm all ears.

I gave you one just up the page. Based off, you know, actually watching Icardi play.

L'prof · 20-07-2016 01:17PM

Basil3 wrote: »

He doesn't beat Giroud on goals per minutes played. Only when you look at games played, which is misleading. Giroud played 5 more games than him last season, but played more than a match less when looking at minutes.

I'm just surprised that people are happy with Icardi. I don't really know him, only looking at stats.

Where did you get that stat from? Not saying you're wrong but I can only find minutes for league games. In the league anyway Icardi looks to have a better minutes to goal ratio

Player|Minutes|Goals|Games|M/G|G/G
Higuain @ Napoli|8184|71|104|115|1.5
Icardi @ Inter|6809|47|91|145|1.9
Giroud @ Arsenal|9706|57|135|170|2.4

20-07-2016 01:17PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

I gave you one just up the page. Based off, you know, actually watching Icardi play.

Yup, I know. It got me interested. I looked up his stats, and for a pure goalscorer, he doesn't hit the target very often.

Example, last season. Only 2 shots per 90 minutes, and only 1 of them on target. 1 shot on target per match....Giroud has double the shots, and double on target.

Skylinehead · 20-07-2016 01:20PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Yup, I know. It got me interested. I looked up his stats, and for a pure goalscorer, he doesn't hit the target very often.

Neither does Cristiano Ronaldo. He's pretty good at goalscoring though, I believe.

This whole infatuation with stats is a bit annoying, and often wholly unrepresentative of a players abilities. Pretty sure Leon Britton had better stats than Xavi a few years back.

20-07-2016 01:25PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Neither does Cristiano Ronaldo. He's pretty good at goalscoring though, I believe.

This whole infatuation with stats is a bit annoying, and often wholly unrepresentative of a players abilities. Pretty sure Leon Britton had better stats than Xavi a few years back.

Ronaldo has 6.5 shots per match. Icardi has less than 2. They have about the same accuracy (Ron better), but Ronaldo is making the keeper work over 3 times as much.

Stats aren't the be all and end all, but of course they mean a lot. Clubs wouldn't invest so heavily in them if they were meaningless.

Ken Shamrock · 20-07-2016 01:31PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Ronaldo has 6.5 shots per match. Icardi has less than 2. They have about the same accuracy (Ron better), but Ronaldo is making the keeper work over 3 times as much.

Stats aren't the be all and end all, but of course they mean a lot. Clubs wouldn't invest so heavily in them if they were meaningless.

:pac: give it a rest

20-07-2016 01:36PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

:pac: give it a rest

I'm on a roll, though :pac:

Lunch break over, back to my statistician day job

Baggly · 20-07-2016 01:41PM

L'prof wrote: »

I'd say it's more than decent. Anything under a goal every 2 games is very good! Beats Giroud's strike-rate for Arsenal, plus he's much younger than Higuain

I'd Prefer Higuain, but if they couldn't sign him I'd be reasonably happy with Icardi

Good (Giroud) < Decent (Icardi) < Very Good (Higuain) < Amazeballs (Ronaldo, Messi, Henry at one stage).

Just my opinion, and it's all relative.

Agree with you in terms of they can't get Higuain.

gosplan · 20-07-2016 01:42PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Yup, I know. It got me interested. I looked up his stats, and for a pure goalscorer, he doesn't hit the target very often.

Example, last season. Only 2 shots per 90 minutes, and only 1 of them on target. 1 shot on target per match....Giroud has double the shots, and double on target.

I'd more look at accuracy and conversion rate than sheer volume of shots.

If we're saying 2 shots per game, then he has a 25% conversion rate which would be super with us.

20-07-2016 02:50PM

gosplan wrote: »

I'd more look at accuracy and conversion rate than sheer volume of shots.

If we're saying 2 shots per game, then he has a 25% conversion rate which would be super with us.

Yeah, it's a good ratio. Just needs to be shooting a lot more, otherwise he won't get 20 in a season. Maybe Ozil can help with that

keano_afc · 20-07-2016 03:00PM

We're not getting Higuain, so at this stage I think Icardi is probably our best option. And lets face it, nobody wants us to start another season with just Giroud.

wandatowell · 20-07-2016 03:04PM

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Amen to that.

Fergie always had his subs bursting to get on the pitch to impress him. Don't see the same motivation in the Arsenal players.

wandatowell · 20-07-2016 03:05PM

keano_afc wrote: »

We're not getting Higuain, so at this stage I think Icardi is probably pur best option. And lets face it, nobody wants us to start another season with just Giroud.

You'll be very surprised at the support Giroud gets in this forum.

Don't understand it myself.

emmetlego · 20-07-2016 03:08PM

Gas fans! A wife of a footballer tweets from London (allegedly) and this thread goes into meltdown.

A couple of things.

1) Any person can change their location details on a tweet!

2) she's probably just doing it to drive a better deal from his current club.

Lastly, as I don't really know if Icardi is any good, but if we can't get the top class fellas we need, then at least a good option instead of Giroud is certainly most welcome.

keano_afc · 20-07-2016 03:09PM

wandatowell wrote: »

You'll be very surprised at the support Giroud gets in this forum.

Don't understand it myself.

I'm not against Giroud. I happen to think he's a bloody good player. But not having a viable alternative is mismanagement. We've suffered for too long, there is no reason why we should be starting yet another season with just him leading our line.

greendom · 20-07-2016 04:41PM

wandatowell wrote: »

You'll be very surprised at the support Giroud gets in this forum.

Don't understand it myself.

I really like Giroud and I don't understand why so many under-estimate him. He does need another striker to compete with him/play alongside him/replace him though.

extra gravy · 20-07-2016 04:56PM

I think nearly all of us in here think Giroud is a good striker but his biggest problem is the boots he had to fill. When you compare him to the strikers before him - RVP, Henry, Anelka, Wright - he's just not in their league. And that's not his fault but it might explain the fan's frustration. As Wenger once said, if you eat caviar every day it's difficult to return to sausages.

20-07-2016 05:01PM

Not saying its going to happen but for me if we bought Icardi over Higuain it would make more sense in terms of longer term and sell on value.

Sure Higuain is probably a better player and we should have went for him back in 2013, but at this stage, Icardi could develop more as he has a bit of youth on his side and we could get better value out of him over the next three seasons and sell him at a profit if he goes well. Wages probably wouldnt be as high either.

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