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Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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  • #722
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    GavMan wrote: »
    Perhaps he doesn't have the luxury of Parliamentary Privilege like Pat The Cope does...

    (Note, I've no idea who you're referring to so I've no idea if they do or don't)

    The person I'm talking about is a councillor from a well know family.


  • #723
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    IMO the political interference angle is a red herring.

    I dont know. The two guards in the documentary were fairly convinced they had their man but something happened that thwarted their investigation.


  • #724
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    Even the Minister for Justice stated that she is
    respecting the wishes of the mother, who, as we know, does not want an inquest!!

    Did she actually mention the mother at all, I don't think so?

    IIRC she just said it was down to the local coroner's discretion and she doesn't have legal recourse to intervene in that.


  • #725
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    the mother has stopped an inquest so far
    I saw that. I am not sure how an inquest will move things on? Will the suspect be forced to attend or would a decision of murder force the gardai to act in a more expeditious way?


  • #726
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


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  • #727
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    About this RED VW Beetle in 1977 Donegal.

    Were they commonly seen in red in Ireland at all back then?

    I remember pale blue, white, yellow, orange. All a bit wishy washy apart from the orange one.

    Red seems rare enough. Could be bad memory though.


  • #728
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Going Forward wrote: »
    Did she actually mention the mother at all, I don't think so?

    IIRC she just said it was down to the local coroner's discretion and she doesn't have legal recourse to intervene in that.

    I seem to remember her mentioning it, as I thought at the time that it was very convenient for her. But, I am prepared to be corrected!


  • #729
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    Going Forward wrote: »
    About this RED VW Beetle in 1977 Donegal.

    Were they commonly seen in red in Ireland at all back then?

    I remember pale blue, white, yellow, orange. All a bit wishy washy apart from the orange one.

    Red seems rare enough. Could be bad memory though.

    A red vw beetle would be a fairly distinctive car especially in a rural area with not many cars. It's a funny story, possibly a distraction?


  • #730
    LynnGrace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭LynnGrace


    LynnGrace wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/rot-from-the-top-that-ripped-the-heart-out-of-the-gardai-26223114.html

    I think this is worth a read also, to give context to the general era in which little Mary Boyle disappeared.
    It seems that political interference was quite usual, in Garda matters.

    I think it's important to give context to the era in which little Mary Boyle disappeared. The article I linked upthread gives an interesting insight, in my opinion, into the relationship between politicians and gardai around that time.

    Following on from this, in the early eighties, there was the phone tapping of journalists Bruce Arnold and Geraldine Kennedy, by gardai, as instructed by the then Minister for Justice, Sean Doherty, with the knowledge of the then Taoiseach, Charlie Haughey, and so on.


  • #731
    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Going Forward wrote: »
    About this RED VW Beetle in 1977 Donegal.

    Were they commonly seen in red in Ireland at all back then?

    I remember pale blue, white, yellow, orange. All a bit wishy washy apart from the orange one.

    Red seems rare enough. Could be bad memory though.

    I doubt they were rare, but might be distinctive as in people might remember who had one in the area.


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  • #732
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I really cannot fathom why the coroner will not hold an inquest.
    His reported "reasons" are nonsense.
    Whether the inquest is adjourned or not when called is immaterial.
    What real impact could such a proceeding have on the mother after her daughter is missing 30 years?

    Even if it did impact the health of the mother, why is that even a consideration?

    Why is the coroner behaving like this?


    This is the first reported action by anyone involved that has caused raised eyebrows here ...... I just cannot figure this out.

    It seems that a Coroner cannot initiate an inquest where no body has been found.
    It takes ministerial intervention to initiate an inquest where some doubt exists (no matter how small that doubt might be).

    Why the Coroner did not state this instead of providing silly excuses/reasons for not holding an inquest, in quite beyond me.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057622437


  • #733
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    LynnGrace wrote: »
    I think it's important to give context to the era in which little Mary Boyle disappeared. The article I linked upthread gives an interesting insight, in my opinion, into the relationship between politicians and gardai around that time.

    Following on from this, in the early eighties, there was the phone tapping of journalists Bruce Arnold and Geraldine Kennedy, by gardai, as instructed by the then Minister for Justice, Sean Doherty, with the knowledge of the then Taoiseach, Charlie Haughey, and so on.

    Thanks for sharing. The level of corruption in this country is unreal and it's unlikely we'll ever know the true extent of it.


  • #734
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    JohnCash0260 wrote: »
    A red vw beetle would be a fairly distinctive car especially in a rural area with not many cars. It's a funny story, possibly a distraction?

    its definitely a distraction in my opinion , it's touted as being a "cold Case Exclusive" its from a guy who changed his statement out of the blue 24 years after the event to include this red VW beetle, and who even wants to say in the article that hes a fisherman when its already been extensively reported he was poaching that day , fishing/poaching i dont care but just shows you that he cannot be trusted with simple facts so why believe him on big ones
    the gards have done reconstructions of that day since this man gave his statement and no mention of a VW beetle has came from them, even though it would be ideal for them to use to discredit our theory so that tells you all you need to know

    this article imo comes more from a personal grudge between two journalists than it does for a want for any real investigative work .

    horrible to see it happen but should be used to it now, looking forward to one day meeting an honest journalist looking for the truth without an agenda


  • #735
    LynnGrace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭LynnGrace


    oranbhoy I just want to say that I hope there will be justice done yet for that innocent little child, and that she may have a proper resting place. Poor little mite.
    I wish you and your family continued strength in pursuit of the truth.


  • #736
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    LynnGrace wrote: »
    oranbhoy I just want to say that I hope there will be justice done yet for that innocent little child, and that she may have a proper resting place. Poor little mite.
    I wish you and your family continued strength in pursuit of the truth.

    thank you Lynn if only the politicians and journalists could put their petty little squabbles aside it could be done in days , but i will never give up until it is done . again thank you


  • #737
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    its definitely a distraction in my opinion , it's touted as being a "cold Case Exclusive" its from a guy who changed his statement out of the blue 24 years after the event to include this red VW beetle, and who even wants to say in the article that hes a fisherman when its already been extensively reported he was poaching that day , fishing/poaching i dont care but just shows you that he cannot be trusted with simple facts so why believe him on big ones
    the gards have done reconstructions of that day since this man gave his statement and no mention of a VW beetle has came from them, even though it would be ideal for them to use to discredit our theory so that tells you all you need to know

    this article imo comes more from a personal grudge between two journalists than it does for a want for any real investigative work .

    horrible to see it happen but should be used to it now, looking forward to one day meeting an honest journalist looking for the truth without an agenda

    So, we have one of the investigating Gardai rowing back on what he said on film, and one of the poachers/anglers suddenly 'remembering'
    a red car which he omitted mentioning to the Gardai in the original investigation. What's more, he told Ann Boyle that he saw no car when
    she was frantically searching for her missing daughter. Total lack of credibility in those two guys.


  • #738
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Gardai currently carrying out a dig for Mary

    RTE


  • #739
    Green Peter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    According to news Garda are carrying out a dig at a location in donegal as part of the investigation.


  • #740
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    So, we have one of the investigating Gardai rowing back on what he said on film, and one
    of the poachers/anglers suddenly 'remembering'
    a red car which he omitted mentioning to the Gardai in the original investigation. What's more, he told Ann Boyle that he saw no car when she was frantically searching for her missing daughter. Total lack of credibility in those two guys.
    The garda rowing back looks bad for doc

    PSNI involved
    http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2016/07/15/news/police-ombudsman-investigates-mary-boyle-complaint-605813/?param=ds441rif44T


  • #741
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    On RTÉ radio now. Search of lands where Mary disappeared carried out at request of family.

    Edit: Had not seen above when I posted.


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  • #742
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    On RTÉ radio now. Search of lands where Mary disappeared carried out at request of family.
    family- mother or sister?


  • #743
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    jenny smith wrote: »
    family- mother or sister?

    Did not say.


  • #744
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    Will the LOCAL Guards destroy another burial site today? Hope not. No local guard should be involved in this case anymore.


  • #745
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    IMO the political interference angle is a red herring.

    completely agree. There were , I believe Collins said, 70 officers around the station at this time because of the IRA/border. Yet one man ( Collins) has any evidence to give that this call came in. Also there is a section where the maker says that a Garda ( deceased) made a 17 page compliant to Garda HQ citing untouchables and old pals act in the District but does NOT mention this case.

    I do not believe that there is no Garda satements on this call given that the place was full of guards , but then again maybe there are and again may not fit the narrative.


  • #746
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    evancostello wrote: »
    completely agree. There were , I believe Collins said, 70 officers around the station at this time because of the IRA/border. Yet one man ( Collins) has any evidence to give that this call came in. Also there is a section where the maker says that a Garda ( deceased) made a 17 page compliant to Garda HQ citing untouchables and old pals act in the District but does NOT mention this case.

    I do not believe that there is no Garda satements on this call given that the place was full of guards , but then again maybe there are and again may not fit the narrative.
    Murray gave evidence of the call too. Are you deliberately trying to deny that? I have pointed it out and showed the clip to you already

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100354782&postcount=641


  • #747
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Going Forward wrote: »
    Gardai currently carrying out a dig for Mary

    RTE

    I hope to god this dig finds something , the cynical part of me is saying it is being doing to placate people, as the mother is the gards point of contact .... I really really hope it is the opposite and that there is real substance too it


  • #748
    JakeBell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭JakeBell


    JohnCash0260 wrote: »
    Will the LOCAL Guards destroy another burial site today? Hope not. No local guard should be involved in this case anymore.

    I can believe this being possible in the 70's but not today. There's no way that Gardai today have been sent out with the instruction to destroy a child's burial site.


  • #749
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    JakeBell wrote: »
    I can believe this being possible in the 70's but not today. There's no way that Gardai today have been sent out with the instruction to destroy a child's burial site.

    I believe that are capable of anything. I think it's the mothers side that are requesting the dig. Are they trying to mislead the Gardai?


  • #750
    Macca07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Macca07


    JakeBell wrote: »
    I can believe this being possible in the 70's but not today. There's no way that Gardai today have been sent out with the instruction to destroy a child's burial site.

    I wouldn't be so sure about that...

    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2013/04/21/former-garda-slams-dig-operation-in-search-for-missing-mary-boyle/

    Article that was previously posted by Stuar back in 2013


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  • #751
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Macca07 wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so sure about that...

    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2013/04/21/former-garda-slams-dig-operation-in-search-for-missing-mary-boyle/

    Article that was previously posted by Stuar back in 2013

    and that 100% happened Margo raised funds for that by selling a charity single , the Sunday world brought in scantech radar machines, they were all set for a hand dig and two gardai turn up and tear the field apart with a JCB


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