Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

evancostello wrote: »

plots thickens. really incredible twists. I suspect that Mary actually was taken. The last man that saw her was a relative who saw her at 3.45 on the day and he was spotted back at the house at 4.30 This is not enough time to dispose of a body. Dont care how well you know the property. The area around the house up to 10 square miles was scoured, drained and plumbed and nothing.

Take a step back and think about this for a second!!

QUESTION: If a politician was planning on interfering in this case, would he contact the group of Gardai investigating it or one senior member of the force who could influence the direction of the investigation?

ANSWER: The smart call for a politician would be to limit his exposure to the lowest amount of people, who have the maximum amount of influence. So a politician likely only made contact with a senior if not the most senior person possible.

NOTE: One of the detectives noted that when the chief suspect was being Interviewed as a witness, he felt this person was close to breaking, until his superior nudged him, indicating that he should ease off.

Naturally a superior officer was never going to tell a detective if a politician actually had called him, instead he would most likely attempt to influence the case indirectly, manipulating things until matters change. Proving that a politician influenced a senior officer after all these years have passed is likely a non-runner, it will never likely be proven at this stage. But that is not to say it didn't happen, and even if it is only a rumour, it should be explored regardless.

I doubt the little girl was lifted from such a remote location by a stranger, the killer/suspect was likely from the immediate locality, most likely from within a close proximity of where she went missing. The Idea that some stranger happened upon that remote location at the specific time the wee girl turned around halfway between the neighbours and her Grandparents is highly unlikely, and really only serves to open up the investigation to limitless possibilities.

We must also consider the walls she is said to have navigated, the Gardai doubt she could have got over 3 of them, and the fact walls had to be navigated, suggests she was not along a road and thus decreasing the probability of a stranger happening upon her.

DonegalTech wrote: »

Take a step back and think about this for a second!!

QUESTION: If a politician was planning on interfering in this case, would he contact the group of Gardai investigating it or one senior member of the force who could influence the direction of the investigation?

ANSWER: The smart call for a politician would be to limit his exposure to the lowest amount of people, who have the maximum amount of influence. So a politician likely only made contact with a senior if not the most senior person possible.

NOTE: One of the detectives noted that when the chief suspect was being Interviewed as a witness, he felt this person was close to breaking, until his superior nudged him, indicating that he should ease off.

Naturally a superior officer was never going to tell a detective if a politician actually had called him, instead he would most likely attempt to influence the case indirectly, manipulating things until matters change. Proving that a politician influenced a senior officer after all these years have passed is likely a non-runner, it will never likely be proven at this stage. But that is not to say it didn't happen, and even if it is only a rumour, it should be explored regardless.

I doubt the little girl was lifted from such a remote location by a stranger, the killer/suspect was likely from the immediate locality, most likely from within a close proximity of where she went missing. The Idea that some stranger happened upon that remote location at the specific time the wee girl turned around halfway between the neighbours and her Grandparents is highly unlikely, and really only serves to open up the investigation to limitless possibilities.

We must also consider the walls she is said to have navigated, the Gardai doubt she could have got over 3 of them, and the fact walls had to be navigated, suggests she was not along a road and thus decreasing the probability of a stranger happening upon her.

I agree with the proposition that if you want to influence the investigation the very last thing you would do is phone the front desk and declare yourself and ask that the family not be suspects. It beggars belief. Collins is the only witness there that day who remembers the call. Where are all the others. ? Collins said there 7 or 10 people about where r they hiding out. Aiden Murray the other detective wasn't even there and , it is reported, he only heard of it at a Garda conference. So the call must not have had any , well immediate impact on him.

I also agree that the it is difficult to believe that she was lifted. It is so remote. But you must remember the timelines. He was away only 45 mins . The area was really scoured , believe me.the search went on for months and months without any results. Not a hair of her head. That is why there is the usual suggestion of a kidnapping.

The only evidence of interference in the film is a nudge. That is the only evidence of interference. There is direct evidence that there was no interference by Collins. Murray says that it was hands off certain suspects. Who actually told him to do that. This thing is killing me

evancostello wrote: »

DonegalTech wrote: »

Take a step back and think about this for a second!!

QUESTION: If a politician was planning on interfering in this case, would he contact the group of Gardai investigating it or one senior member of the force who could influence the direction of the investigation?

ANSWER: The smart call for a politician would be to limit his exposure to the lowest amount of people, who have the maximum amount of influence. So a politician likely only made contact with a senior if not the most senior person possible.

NOTE: One of the detectives noted that when the chief suspect was being Interviewed as a witness, he felt this person was close to breaking, until his superior nudged him, indicating that he should ease off.

Naturally a superior officer was never going to tell a detective if a politician actually had called him, instead he would most likely attempt to influence the case indirectly, manipulating things until matters change. Proving that a politician influenced a senior officer after all these years have passed is likely a non-runner, it will never likely be proven at this stage. But that is not to say it didn't happen, and even if it is only a rumour, it should be explored regardless.

I doubt the little girl was lifted from such a remote location by a stranger, the killer/suspect was likely from the immediate locality, most likely from within a close proximity of where she went missing. The Idea that some stranger happened upon that remote location at the specific time the wee girl turned around halfway between the neighbours and her Grandparents is highly unlikely, and really only serves to open up the investigation to limitless possibilities.

We must also consider the walls she is said to have navigated, the Gardai doubt she could have got over 3 of them, and the fact walls had to be navigated, suggests she was not along a road and thus decreasing the probability of a stranger happening upon her.

I agree with the proposition that if you want to influence the investigation the very last thing you would do is phone the front desk and declare yourself and ask that the family not be suspects. It beggars belief. Collins is the only witness there that day who remembers the call. Where are all the others. ? Collins said there 7 or 10 people about where r they hiding out. Aiden Murray the other detective wasn't even there and , it is reported, he only heard of it at a Garda conference. So the call must not have had any , well immediate impact on him.

I also agree that the it is difficult to believe that she was lifted. It is so remote. But you must remember the timelines. He was away only 45 mins . The area was really scoured , believe me.the search went on for months and months without any results. Not a hair of her head. That is why there is the usual suggestion of a kidnapping.

In my opinion, the political interference rumour will go nowhere, It's a dead end as it lacks the required hard evidence to. However it is extremely strange that such a story emerged in the first place, like in 1977 before any of the major Garda scandal's had came to light. This would have been a time when very few would dare speak out against the Gardai, most people would have been scared to even make a suggestion.

For the record, I still haven't read or heard who the Chief suspect in this case is, I mean the suspect that everybody in the documentary seem to all believe is the most likely suspect.

DonegalTech wrote: »

In my opinion, the political interference rumour will go nowhere, It's a dead end as it lacks the required hard evidence to. However it is extremely strange that such a story emerged in the first place, like in 1977 before any of the major Garda scandal's had came to light. This would have been a time when very few would dare speak out against the Gardai, most people would have been scared to even make a suggestion.

For the record, I still haven't read or heard who the Chief suspect in this case is, I mean the suspect that everybody in the documentary seem to all believe is the most likely suspect.

How many people have been officially questioned in this case ...seems relatively little

P.lane78 wrote: »

How many people have been officially questioned in this case ...seems relatively little

one aressted , the guy who was in the documentary McMahon

jenny smith wrote: »

that is my point, the families did not have the power to stop them

the mother has stopped an inquest so far