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Killing the unborn, paying bondholders private debts, and unregulated charities

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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 677 Giacomo McGubbin


    Killing the unborn, promoting euthanasia of the elderly and sick, ordinary public paying billionaire bondholders and speculators private debts, rip off car insurance, and unregulated "charities" doing the work the state should be doing ?

    What's your policy and firm timetable on sorting out these  ? No bullshyte, evasion, or spin please.


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    Killing the unborn, promoting euthanasia of the elderly and sick, ordinary public paying billionaire bondholders and speculators private debts, rip off car insurance, and unregulated "charities" doing the work the state should be doing ?

    What's your policy and firm timetable on sorting out these  ? No bullshyte, evasion, or spin please.

    Well, I don't think the tone of your post nor the choice of words leaves anyone in doubt of your stance on these issues...


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    Nor yours, but that doesn't answer the questions. Is that the plan ?


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    Killing the unborn. Sure, shouldn't take long but then there will be another crop. Must they be killed too? Seems a bit biblical if I'm honest.


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    Killing the unborn, promoting euthanasia of the elderly and sick, ordinary public paying billionaire bondholders and speculators private debts, rip off car insurance, and unregulated "charities" doing the work the state should be doing ?

    What's your policy and firm timetable on sorting out these  ? No bullshyte, evasion, or spin please.
    Sounds like a total hoot.  Where do I sign up?


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    Nor yours, but that doesn't answer the questions. Is that the plan ?

    Well first off I'm not a representative of the Social Democrats.

    Secondly, try reading their manifesto, which they published before the last election. Most of your questions will be answered there.

    Thirdly, I have a feeling, that by using language like "killing the unborn" that a left-leaning party such as the Social Democrats may not be for you. Just a hunch, mind.


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    Nor yours, but that doesn't answer the questions. Is that the plan ?

    Well first off I'm not a representative of the Social Democrats.

    Secondly, try reading their manifesto, which they published before the last election. Most of your questions will be answered there.

    Thirdly, I have a feeling, that by using language like "killing the unborn" that a left-leaning party such as the Social Democrats may not be for you. Just a hunch, mind.
    Firstly if that's true why are you attempting to answer questions directed to the social democrats for them ?

    Secondly if the answer to all the questions you don't want people to ask is "read the manifesto" then good luck with that

    Thirdly, you guessed wrong again. Not very good at this are you ?


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    Firstly if that's true why are you attempting to answer questions directed to the social democrats for them ?

    Secondly if the answer to all the questions you don't want people to ask is "read the manifesto" then good luck with that

    Thirdly, you guessed wrong again. Not very good at this are you ?

    1) Because this is a discussion forum. If you wanted to ask the Social Democrats these questions without anyone else joining in, then send an email.

    2) I get very irritated by people who fail to understand that information is already in the public domain. All the major information you seek is in the manifesto. That's the point of them. To lay out policy priorities and inform interested parties to that end. Why on earth should you expect a small party or even individuals on any given topic to come here and frankly waste time copying and pasting information that's already available, just because you can't be arsed to read what's already available?

    3) Fair enough. I just think the tone and aggressive nature of your posts and topics you post a lot about seem at odds with such a party.


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    Firstly if that's true why are you attempting to answer questions directed to the social democrats for them ?

    Secondly if the answer to all the questions you don't want people to ask is "read the manifesto" then good luck with that

    Thirdly, you guessed wrong again. Not very good at this are you ?

    1) Because this is a discussion forum. If you wanted to ask the Social Democrats these questions without anyone else joining in, then send an email.

    2) I get very irritated by people who fail to understand that information is already in the public domain. All the major information you seek is in the manifesto. That's the point of them. To lay out policy priorities and inform interested parties to that end. Why on earth should you expect a small party or even individuals on any given topic to come here and frankly waste time copying and pasting information that's already available, just because you can't be arsed to read what's already available?

    3) Fair enough. I just think the tone and aggressive nature of your posts and topics you post a lot about seem at odds with such a party.
    1) This is called talk to the social democrats . . . not "attempt to prevent someone talking to the social democrats"

    2) I'll ask them questions about it if I wish to, you may not like that and prefer I didn't, or would like to dictate how I post here and ask a party straight direct questions, but again that's your problem not mine.

    3) Again if you don't like my questions and my means of testing them to see what they are actually made of, and how they respond, that's your tough. I've given them the chance to reply, I could have been actually impressed by their forthright honest answers to my straight direct to the point questions (even if I didn't agree with them), but instead their non answers and desperate evasion attempts (seemingly now resorting to allowing you to answer for them and to try and prevent the questions) tells me as much as I need to know about them. :)


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    You do realise they're not online here 24/7, right?

    From the charter:

    "A representative from The Social Democrats media team will be here between 3PM and 4PM on Thursdays each week to answer your questions and queries and listen to your feedback."

    I still don't think you quite understand the point of a discussion forum, but hey. No skin off my nose. Knock yourself out.


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    You do realise they're not online here 24/7, right?

    From the charter:

    "A representative from The Social Democrats media team will be here between 3PM and 4PM on Thursdays each week to answer your questions and queries and listen to your feedback."

    I still don't think you quite understand the point of a discussion forum, but hey. No skin off my nose. Knock yourself out.
    Perhaps one of the four will manage to pluck up the courage for some straight answers sometime now that you've failed to shut down the questions for them. I know you don't understand the concept that people are allowed to ask questions you don't like being asked, but it's your nose out of joint not mine.


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    Ask away! Might be quicker for you to read the manifesto though. ;)


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    Ask away! Might be quicker for you to read the manifesto though. ;)
    You tried that already and it didn't work, my you are getting desperate. 


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    You do realise they're not online here 24/7, right?

    From the charter:

    "A representative from The Social Democrats media team will be here between 3PM and 4PM on Thursdays each week to answer your questions and queries and listen to your feedback."

    I still don't think you quite understand the point of a discussion forum, but hey. No skin off my nose. Knock yourself out.
    Perhaps one of the four will manage to pluck up the courage for some straight answers sometime now that you've failed to shut down the questions for them. I know you don't understand the concept that people are allowed to ask questions you don't like being asked, but it's your nose out of joint not mine.
    It's not like your questions get deleted once someone starts discussing them. Discussing a question doesn't silence the person asking it. Wait till 3 and the rep might answer them then.


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    Ask away! Might be quicker for you to read the manifesto though. ;)
    You tried that already and it didn't work, my you are getting desperate. 
    Ah but this is fun though! I like discussing things on a discussion forum. 


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    It would appear that a rep from the Social Democrats has no answers to the op


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    Ask away! Might be quicker for you to read the manifesto though. ;)
    You tried that already and it didn't work, my you are getting desperate. 
    Ah but this is fun though! I like discussing things on a discussion forum. 
    But you haven't discussed anything, you've just whined about the questions you don't like being asked.


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    What does it matter what their opinions are? They're just hurlers on the ditch. They don't have the balls to enter a coalition and see any of their policies implemented. May as well ask Dana her stance on Brexit, she'll have as much input into that as the SD's ever will the Irish Government


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    But you haven't discussed anything, you've just whined about the questions you don't like being asked.

    Fair enough. I just think it's pointless asking questions here when the information is already there. If you're bothered to actually look for the answers (ie do your own thinking and research, they're not hiding the information) you'd see that as regards "killing the unborn" (which I'm sure is your totally non emotive way of asking about the party stance on abortion) you'd see that they are in favour of repealing the 8th amendment (https://socialdemocrats.ie/repeal-the-8th-amendment/) and holding a referendum on this issue within 18 months of the formation of government.

    They have recently introduced a Private Members Bill aimed at tackling unregulated charities and reforming the sector. (https://socialdemocrats.ie/2016/07/11/need-better-regulation-charity-sector/) Regarding paying bond-holders, I would point you to the work which Stephen Donnelly has been doing and the issues he's been raising in the Dail chamber regarding write downs of mortgages and the fact that they have called for significantly powerful anti-corruption legislation to be developed.

    I don't see specific policies on euthanasia, but speculation (considering the cross party health working group which Roisin Shoetall is now chairing) lends me to believe they will be looking internationally and domestically at expert opinions and best practise.

    And lastly, because I really just can't believe I've actually done all your work for you (although finding the answers to your questions with specific reference to the parties published and established policies took me about 10 minutes) I'll let you look up your issue with car insurance yourself. There's this amazing thing called Google, you see.


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    I rather hear what the social democrats have to say, not some panicing stalker, there's a good lad.


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    I rather hear what the social democrats have to say, not some panicing stalker, there's a good lad.
    I'd rather people weren't so thick that they couldn't understand that the info I posted (ie links to written material by the social democrats) is what they have to say. 

    Tell me, if you wanted to hear what, say, Donald Trumps policies are, would you refuse to read his policies, and only believe it if he said it directly to you? 

    Mother of God. I'm done. You're actually too stupid to have a discussion with. 


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    I rather hear what the social democrats have to say, not some panicing stalker, there's a good lad.
    I'd rather people weren't so thick that they couldn't understand that the info I posted (ie links to written material by the social democrats) is what they have to say. 

    Tell me, if you wanted to hear what, say, Donald Trumps policies are, would you refuse to read his policies, and only believe it if he said it directly to you? 

    Mother of God. I'm done. You're actually too stupid to have a discussion with. 
    I think you need to look up the word 'discussion'. As for claiming politicians should not have to answer any questions they don't like and people should just read their manifestos instead . . . I don't think your master evasion plan will gain too many votes for the social democrats.


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    I rather hear what the social democrats have to say, not some panicing stalker, there's a good lad.
    They will give you a political answer. Possibly obfuscating your selected definitive questions. They will refer you to their manifesto which will make vague promises that don't really satisfy you one way or the other. Just as fianna fail, fianna gael, labour or any other one of the parties that seek power. They seek power, not your specific questions. They seek support.

    Any one of them will tell you they will represent you. But you know that already or you wouldn't be so antagonistic in your question.

    Society dictates policy, parties follow the norm. We want abortion, we don't want bondholders to profit from our labour, we want charities to pay the people we contribute towards a fair amount but we also know they don't.

    Doesn't matter what party you pull up on these issues. They will go with the norm. That's where the votes are. Norm is a bollox for those who don't subscribe.


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    Giacomo,

    Baby and crumble gave some good information there which is exactly what I would point to too. As I'm the boards.ie rep for the party, not in charge of policy, I'll mostly point you to relevant parts of the manifesto or speeches made by our TDs in the Dáil, as that is our official policy and position on these various issues.

    You have quite a few questions in your original post, so if you want to unpack any that I don't answer here into more detailed questions, please do.

    1. We're calling for a referendum to repeal of the 8th amendment as soon as possible. You can read more here https://socialdemocrat...-the-8th-amendment/)

    2. "ordinary public paying billionaire bondholders and speculators private debts". We are not in favour of this. For example, see http://stephendonnelly.ie/article-paying-e1-1bn-to-bondholders-is-con-job/

    3. "rip off car insurance" - Reducing the Cost of living was a key focus of our election manifesto and something we're working very hard to get the Government to focus on. This includes insurance, child care, housing and many other areas. Here's more information - http://socialdemocrats.ie/2016/04/20/insurance-costs-soaring/

    4. We introduced a Private Members Bill aimed at tackling unregulated charities and reforming the sector, which has been accepted and supported by the Government. (https://socialdemocrat...ion-charity-sector/) 


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    Saw this today. Thought the OP might be interested... ;)

    http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=98563bc2f53bc670a2442d07f&id=7d004a2a22
    The opposition parties always seem to have the answers to all problems.  Their attitude soon changes when they are in goverment.


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    Riva10 wrote: »
    Saw this today. Thought the OP might be interested... ;)

    http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=98563bc2f53bc670a2442d07f&id=7d004a2a22
    The opposition parties always seem to have the answers to all problems.  Their attitude soon changes when they are in goverment.
    Well in fairness there's always what you would like to do and then tire's what you can do. Some of these questions sound very petulant. As in here seems to be someone who's actually committed or silly enough that he may talk to me, so lets do some antagonizing.


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    Riva10 wrote: »
    Saw this today. Thought the OP might be interested... ;)

    http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=98563bc2f53bc670a2442d07f&id=7d004a2a22
    The opposition parties always seem to have the answers to all problems.  Their attitude soon changes when they are in goverment.
    Shortall's already shown us what she'll do in Government - run from the problem. Murphy much the same if you had to suffer her as a local councillor in her various party guises. There is a major difference between leaving on a matter of principle and leaving in a huff and both Shortall and Murphy left in a huff.

    You can call for all you want from glorious opposition but actually doing is hard - and the two of them have shown they can't. 


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