Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

quad_red · 29-06-2016 11:42AM

seligehgit wrote: »

Yeah I'm not really getting the reason behind why Lancel even in the company of a few underlings.little sparrows was sent off to retrieve Cersei knowing the might of the Mountain was protecting her.

This entire situation escalated from Cersei underestimating the faith militant - what danger could a small bunch of loonies with clubs present to her?

And then the Faith Militant falling for the same arrogance.

The High Sparrow's absolute certainty he had outplayed Cersei in co-opting Tommen and then getting Tommen to outlaw trail by combat. He couldn't see that she would/could totally refuse to play by the rules as they had been set and would tear everything down. Even at the end as Maergery desperately tried to warn him.

And Lancel saw the 'little birds' as weak pawns. They presumably had never been this vicious before - they're just little desperate street kids. He tells the one he had been chasing that they had better just give up now or else he would be 'even worse' with him.

He never considered that the child could be armed or that a mere wretched street urchin could hurt a member of the god's chosen.

Bacchus · 29-06-2016 12:04PM

Essien wrote: »

I'm glad they did that.

Arya is a wildcard now, and part of her strength is in her ability to drift around unnoticed then strike out of nowhere. It will always come as a huge shock to her victim so I think it's great that, in some cases, the audience can also experience the surprise.

Agreed. I literally jumped out of my seat when I saw the servant girl (Arya) serving Walder Frey! OMG it's Arya!

Looking back at that moment when she's looking at Jamie makes it all the better. From here on, she could be anyone (well, within her approximate frame/size).

I don't get some of the confusion of the point of Pycelle pretending to be feeble. It was just a bit of character depth. It wasn't some chekhov's gun that was waiting to be used at some critical moment.

Bacchus · 29-06-2016 12:10PM

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

We've now seen two instances with Brann's warging having an effect on the past. Ned sensing him at the Tower of Joy (shown for the second time last night) and Hodor. I wonder will this develop into anything.(

There was some chat in earlier threads that he might be the whispers that drove the mad king... mad.

I wonder will there be some ultimate twist that Bran HAD to drive the mad king mad in order to set off a chain of events leading to the defeat of the Knight King? And therefore Bran is responsible for the whole darn mess but it was necessary to rid the world of the Knight King and the White Walkers.

CMOTDibbler · 29-06-2016 12:19PM

klose wrote: »

I saw it mentioned somewhere that the image of the wildfyre blowing up under the sept is the exact same as from branns vision earlier on, so perhaps brann can also see into the future as well as the past!

Yeah, it's pretty clear he can. Not only did his visions show the wildfyre under the Sept of Baelor but also what looks like a dargon's shadow over Kings Landing. A Kings Landing that appears to have some smoke lingering...

These images are taken from a gif breakdown of Bran's visions on winteriscoming.net

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storker · 29-06-2016 12:32PM

Tigger wrote: »

He's a bastard

Hardly fair. A bit of a git maybe...

CMOTDibbler · 29-06-2016 12:47PM

Just continuing on from Bran's visions. I wonder will Danaerys' fleet hit stormy weather?

Sonics2k · 29-06-2016 01:01PM

On Saturday the OH and I were chatting about what we thought would happen in the episode and what kind of cliffhangers would be expected.

I said "I guarantee that Danaerys on a boat will be the final shots, while she stands there looking smug."

I was right. I am so bloody sick of Danaerys.
My only hope for her storyline is that she goes mental like the rest of the Targaryens.

Aside from that. A bloody fantastic episode.

storker · 29-06-2016 01:08PM

It's good to see that Cersei's ability to cut off her nose to spite her face remains undiminished. She contunually proves the truth of Tywin's remark to Tyrion that, "Your sister isn't half as clever as she thinks she is."

She grabs the throne for Joffrey, and in doing so triggers a civil war and a chain of events that leads to Jaime's maiming.
She tries to put Tyrion in the frame for Joffrey's death, but Dad ends up getting the chop instead.
She gets rid of the "troublesome" small council* and replaces it with Qyburn, a lickarse who will go along with anything as long has he can play at being Frankenstein. But hey, who needs wise council when you're the smartest in the land?
She arms the Sparrows to satisfy her spite for Margery, and ends up a prisoner of them herself.
She eliminates most of her (immediate) problems by blowing up the Sept of Baelor, but in doing so uses up all the wildfyre...just when another armada is heading for King's Landing.
Finally, she grabs the throne for herself, but Jaime didn't exactly look overjoyed. Has she finally done enough to alienate her most loyal ally of all? Could the Kingslayer be destined to add "Queenslayer" to his list of titles? A large part of their bond was their kids. Not any more. Sure, (Jaime thinks) she's a great piece of ass, but note how Bronn pointed out that Jaime could get quality nookie anywhere in the Seven Kingdoms. Hmm...

All in all she seems to be setting herself up to be spending so little time on the throne she'll barely have time to nick her arse on one of the points...and wouldn't it be the ultimate Cersei fcuk-up if The Mountain (somehow) ended up being the one to finish her off?

*Flashback: I thought the one Small Council meeting that included Oberyn Martell was by far the most entertaining. Him sitting in as insolent a pose as you could come up with, Mace Tryell looking down his nose at him as if to say "Lord Tywin asked me to fetch some paper. See how important I am?" and Oberyn looking back at him with a look that seemed to say "Is this guy for real?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ9OUnKoxqg

EagererBeaver · 29-06-2016 01:14PM

That's the whole point. Cersei is nowhere near as smart as she thinks she is. However, unlike most of her enemies, she's still alive.

maudgonner · 29-06-2016 01:18PM

walshb wrote: »

Not a bad episode, but surely they could have given some lead up to Arya getting to Frey? Not a dickie bird, and next she's cutting his throat. It has been mentioned here, but talk about warp speed rushed episode! And FFS, mix up the endings a bit. Blondie and those stupid fooking Dragons!

That's the point - it was meant to come out of the blue, to be a surprise reveal. If you knew Arya was on her way to kill Frey it would have telegraphed it too much.

The payoff for the last two seasons is that Arya is now an accomplished assassin, who can strike with the element of surprise. The way they framed the scene echoed and emphasised that. I thought it was really well done.

(I'm with you on the ending though

)

storker · 29-06-2016 02:35PM

One of the major themes of Season 6 seems to be that committing fell deeds for the sake of securing or advancing your house often ends up having entirely the opposite effect.

Roose Bolton assisted with the Red Wedding and took over Winterfell. Now he and his line are wiped out. If he had stayed loyal to the Starks (and killed the psychpoathic Ramsay instead of mentoring him) he might at least be alive and in control of the Dreadfort.

Walder Frey betrayed the Starks and has finally paid the price...along with his sons. If he'd swallowed a little of his pride he would still have his lands and be the King in the North's father-in-law to boot.

Now both have less than nothing.

Tywin Lannister fcuked people over left right and centre in the name of his own house, but look what direction that's going in...

Unfortunately, in Westeros treading a more noble, honest path can get you the same result.

5star02707 · 29-06-2016 03:30PM

So uhm did anyone notice Young Ned Stark carrying the sword "Dawn" and laid it down at the foot of the bed in which Lyanna is bleeding out?

someone mentioned is Jon really Azor A'hai, as it was said that the prince who was promised was born under a "bleeding star"?

Riskymove · 29-06-2016 03:39PM

5star02707 wrote: »

So uhm did anyone notice Young Ned Stark carrying the sword "Dawn" and laid it down at the foot of the bed in which Lyanna is bleeding out?

someone mentioned is Jon really Azor A'hai, as it was said that the prince who was promised was born under a "bleeding star"?

Jon was already born before Ned came into the room

PTH2009 · 29-06-2016 03:49PM

5star02707 wrote: »

So uhm did anyone notice Young Ned Stark carrying the sword "Dawn" and laid it down at the foot of the bed in which Lyanna is bleeding out?

someone mentioned is Jon really Azor A'hai, as it was said that the prince who was promised was born under a "bleeding star"?

was the mad king still alive when that scene happend ???

Jamie must of been very young (or looks younger than he is) when he killed the mad king

Is Jamie a good or a bad guy (he has some nice qualities and than some really bad ones, raping his sister infront of there dead son (Joffery), abusing Edmund Tully and treating to kill his son, and of course pushing bran off the tower

storker · 29-06-2016 04:01PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Is Jamie a good or a bad guy (he has some nice qualities and than some really bad ones, raping his sister infront of there dead son (Joffery), abusing Edmund Tully and treating to kill his son, and of course pushing bran off the tower

I think Jaime is ruthless when it comes to achieving a goal or, like Tywin, on behalf of his family, but unlike his sister, he does have a lease a "smattering of honour" and is perhaps redeemable.

Cersei, on the other hand, isn't contented with just being an out-and-out bitch; she works at it.

Utopia Parkway · 29-06-2016 04:17PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

On Saturday the OH and I were chatting about what we thought would happen in the episode and what kind of cliffhangers would be expected.

I said "I guarantee that Danaerys on a boat will be the final shots, while she stands there looking smug."

I was right. I am so bloody sick of Danaerys.
My only hope for her storyline is that she goes mental like the rest of the Targaryens.

I grew sick of Danaerys ages ago. Unlikely I think but I would actually love to see her get her arse kicked once she reaches Westeros.

super_furry · 29-06-2016 04:22PM

storker wrote: »

[*]Finally, she grabs the throne for herself, but Jaime didn't exactly look overjoyed. Has she finally done enough to alienate her most loyal ally of all? Could the Kingslayer be destined to add "Queenslayer" to his list of titles? A large part of their bond was their kids. Not any more. Sure, (Jaime thinks) she's a great piece of ass, but note how Bronn pointed out that Jaime could get quality nookie anywhere in the Seven Kingdoms. Hmm...

That's the point that first occurred to me. He gets back and his last remaining child is dead by 'suicide' and Cersei is on the throne. Does he think that Cersei had Tommon killed now?

The other point is that the final straw for Jaime with Aerys was the fact that he was about to blow up Kings Landing with wildfire. That was the reason Jaime gives for becoming the king slayer. Now he gets back and Cersei has done what he murdered a king to prevent happening.

NewCorkLad · 29-06-2016 04:28PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Just continuing on from Bran's visions. I wonder will Danaerys' fleet hit stormy weather?

Winter has arrived!!!

GottaGetGatt · 29-06-2016 04:32PM

What's he estimated size of Danny's army now? I saw somewhere on the web that Jon has around 50,000 from all the houses in the north as well as well trained Knights of the vale.

ohnonotgmail · 29-06-2016 04:35PM

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

What's he estimated size of Danny's army now? I saw somewhere on the web that Jon has around 50,000 from all the houses in the north as well as well trained Knights of the vale.

i couldnt imagine it is anything like 50,000. Robb only had 20,000.

NewCorkLad · 29-06-2016 04:40PM

How large is the Lannister army estimated to be now without the backing of any of the large families?

kupus · 29-06-2016 05:15PM

Anybody have any idea what margaerys game was before she died? She seemed to be up to something and just playing along being religious but thats done away with now.
What was her end game?

ohnonotgmail · 29-06-2016 05:20PM

kupus wrote: »

Anybody have any idea what margaerys game was before she died? She seemed to be up to something and just playing along being religious but thats done away with now.
What was her end game?

she thought that the High Sparrow was going to let her brother off easy. Remember how shocked she was when they started carving his forehead? She said something like "this is not what we agreed" to the high sparrow.

Penn · 29-06-2016 05:25PM

kupus wrote: »

Anybody have any idea what margaerys game was before she died? She seemed to be up to something and just playing along being religious but thats done away with now.
What was her end game?

It was basically to help direct Tommen to give the Faith more power, ensure she didn't have to do a walk of shame, and get Loras back. In return, she'd also help manipulate Tommen to get rid of the trial by combat, meaning Cersei would have to face an actual trial.

That plan blew up in her face.

Its dead Jim · 29-06-2016 05:36PM

Pycell was the last member of the small council once the church place went boom. Varys and Tyrion went on holidays long ago, Tyrell and Kevan were killed in the explosion, Obryne got a headache leaving only Pycell left. Qyburn said something that the old must be removed to make room for the new.

Now the only people left are Cersei and her hand, Qyburn. I doubt she will bother with a new small council.

EagererBeaver · 29-06-2016 05:50PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

was the mad king still alive when that scene happend ???

Jamie must of been very young (or looks younger than he is) when he killed the mad king

Is Jamie a good or a bad guy (he has some nice qualities and than some really bad ones, raping his sister infront of there dead son (Joffery), abusing Edmund Tully and treating to kill his son, and of course pushing bran off the tower

Jaime was raised to the Kingsguard at 15 and killed the Mad King about two years later. You have to appreciate that this is a show where there is no clear line between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". He's a very complex character.

The tower of joy scene is after the sack of Kings Landing, which of when Jaime killed Aerys. Out of curiosity, why do you ask?

nix · 29-06-2016 06:04PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

I said "I guarantee that Danaerys on a boat will be the final shots, while she stands there looking smug."
.

Everybody did, two seasons ago, took them long enough but it was inevitable.

Billy86 · 29-06-2016 06:41PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Jaime was raised to the Kingsguard at 15 and killed the Mad King about two years later. You have to appreciate that this is a show where there is no clear line between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". He's a very complex character.

The tower of joy scene is after the sack of Kings Landing, which of when Jaime killed Aerys. Out of curiosity, why do you ask?

I loved Jamie as the cocky, arrogant pr!ck he was before losing his hand, and while it has been good character development it was a shame to see him more withdrawn or neutered somewhat since he lost it. In that sense, I've been absolutely loving where his character is going as this season has gone on.

Not a huge fan of Cersei as a character but she's OK and Lena Headey does a great job rounding her out, but the three main Lannister males, as characters, are absolutely fantastic. Not only that, but at least two of them (Tyrion/Tywin) were amongst the very best acted in the show, and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau really excelled as the 'cocky pr!ck' stuff and appears to be coming back into his own very strong with this latest turn.

EagererBeaver · 29-06-2016 06:45PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I loved Jamie as the cocky, arrogant pr!ck he was before losing his hand, and while it has been good character development it was a shame to see him more withdrawn or neutered somewhat since he lost it. In that sense, I've been absolutely loving where his character is going as this season has gone on.

Him likely turning on Cersei is long overdue. The "I'll do anything to get back to her" angle is very boring.

BoJack Horseman · 29-06-2016 06:52PM

Apparently HBO have released this image showing character relationships...

Confirming what we already knew regarding Jon.

Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

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