Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

walshb · 28-06-2016 10:33PM

Not a bad episode, but surely they could have given some lead up to Arya getting to Frey? Not a dickie bird, and next she's cutting his throat. It has been mentioned here, but talk about warp speed rushed episode! And FFS, mix up the endings a bit. Blondie and those stupid fooking Dragons!

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2016 10:39PM

walshb wrote: »

Not a bad episode, but surely they could have given some lead up to Arya getting to Frey? Not a dickie bird, and next she's cutting his throat. It has been mentioned here, but talk about warp speed rushed episode! And FFS, mix up the endings a bit. Blondie and those stupid fooking Dragons!

- We knew she was on her way back to westeros
- we knew Walder was on her list
- She appeared in an earlier scene in the episode

dimwittedrep · 28-06-2016 10:58PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Just showing that things aren't always what they seem as well. If the deleted scene was included it would have made it clear he was a Tywin Lannister man through and through and why is he pretending as well to be frail and a idiot. I may just start reading the novels as I am sure there are other storylines that haven't been developed due to the constraints of the TV show.

Well I understand totally that there's more in the books (haven't read any) but it's pretty crap TV writing to have these "secrets" about a character who's there for 6 years and those secrets don't matter one jot to the story in any way.

Avatar MIA · 28-06-2016 11:17PM

dimwittedrep wrote: »

Well I understand totally that there's more in the books (haven't read any) but it's pretty crap TV writing to have these "secrets" about a character who's there for 6 years and those secrets don't matter one jot to the story in any way.

It's character development. It was interesting in its own right to see he was so cunning. What were you expecting, that he'd enter and win Mr Westeros?

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2016 11:20PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

It's character development. It was interesting in its own right to see he was so cunning. What were you expecting, that he'd enter and win Mr Westeros?

It was also a nice bit of comic relief when we first saw him exercise.

Vojera · 28-06-2016 11:37PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Was there any reason why Pycell was killed off?

Partly Cersei clearing the decks and getting rid of any old council members, I think, and also the fact that they really hate each other. Pycelle has taken great pleasure in Cersei's recent fall from grace and she's obviously one to hold a grudge.

I did initially think she got rid of him so that Qyburn could be Grand Maester, but he was wearing a Hand of the Queen pin at the coronation.

seligehgit · 28-06-2016 11:55PM

Game Of Thrones showrunners confirm series will end after two more seasons 😞

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/-game-of-thrones-showrunners-confirm-series-will-e/410755?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=gameofthrones

Degag · 29-06-2016 12:16AM

Haven't read the entire thread yet but it's been mentioned a few times that the Hound was still on Arya's list.

I'm pretty sure that when with the Faceless Men, she was called a liar when she said he was on the list meaning he has probably been removed.

lazybones32 · 29-06-2016 12:22AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Was there any reason why Pycell was killed off?

Also, knowing that Cersei was protected by the Mountain, why was only Loris dispatched to retrieve her.... from her keep a mile or so away!?
(I assume it's artistic license, but it did irk me at first watch)

I think he was killed for a few reasons:
he pissed off Cersei
he would have had a lot of damaging info on her (not that it would have been as damaging after the wildfire incident)
He was still a, technically, dangerous person due to knowledge, skills, influence, contacts, being on the small council, etc;
He appeared to be trying to drive a wedge between Tommen and Cersei
and
he pissed off Cersei. He underestimated her and disrespected her to her face.

Loris was a sort of commanding officer among the sparrows. He wouldn't be going alone but with a complement of men with clubs.

PTH2009 · 29-06-2016 12:30AM

Is Bran the real king of the north as he is the last of neds sons alive (Jon snow is actually not neds son) ???

seligehgit · 29-06-2016 12:43AM

Yeah I'm not really getting the reason behind why Lancel even in the company of a few underlings.little sparrows was sent off to retrieve Cersei knowing the might of the Mountain was protecting her.

eeguy · 29-06-2016 12:50AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Is Bran the real king of the north as he is the last of neds sons alive (Jon snow is actually not neds son) ???

He is, but she's dead as far as most people know.

Sam met him when they were crossing over the wall, but said nothing.

Karma25 · 29-06-2016 01:32AM

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Amazing episode.

Just in case anyone else didn't notice (I only noticed on the second watch), Arya was in an earlier scene in the episode as the woman who Bronn said was admiring Jaime. Arya's murder of Frey is one of my favorite scenes in the entire show, great to have the old Arya back!

Also, anyone else shocked for a second that Daenerys was only slightly taller than Tyrion (until they zoomed out and showed that Tyrion was standing on a step.)

Also when Walder Frey is talking to Jamie and he says go on mock me boy. The starks mocked me and where are they now and the camera pans to upclose shot of Jamie you see a blurred image of a servant girl walking past him. Bet that was Arya as well.

Paddy Cow · 29-06-2016 05:40AM

seligehgit wrote: »

Game Of Thrones showrunners confirm series will end after two more seasons 😞

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/-game-of-thrones-showrunners-confirm-series-will-e/410755?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=gameofthrones

13 episodes spread over two seasons is balls. They should either have two proper seasons or one extended one.

Nesta99 · 29-06-2016 07:08AM

I'd have thought it'd be an interesting twist if Margaery had escaped the wildfire explosion and then shoved Tommen out the window in revenge for the death of her brother and father. The showdown with Cersei could have been played with, maybe Jamie driving a sword through her but in horror of what he was made do to keep is mad erm sister on side. Olenna is pure class as a character, hope she features a lot more with the vendetta alliance and the Dorne ladies! I dont feel quite so impatient about a years wait for the next season funnily enough. Maybe it is because there is an end in sight but probably as much to do with the lose ends coming together - dragons and entourage with their fleet of ships finally off to Westeros, parentage of JS sorted, Boltons dead, Freys dead with the twist of an appetising final meal for auld Walder. Bran getting back toward the wall. Mormont finding his 'cure' and where he will pop up again could be interesting.

Enzokk · 29-06-2016 08:14AM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

13 episodes spread over two seasons is balls. They should either have two proper seasons or one extended one.

It isn't great, but I think budget played a role as well. If they are able to spread the same season budget over less episodes you would believe the production value will go up. If the upcoming scenes feature lots of extras or CGI that will be expensive as well so having only 7 episodes will mean more money per episode to spend.

I don't know if HBO preferred two more seasons either for budgetary or programming reasons. Hopefully it will mean more budget per episode to maintain the high production standard, instead of seeing the same 10 extras in all the scenes...:)

CMOTDibbler · 29-06-2016 09:00AM

Enzokk wrote: »

It isn't great, but I think budget played a role as well. If they are able to spread the same season budget over less episodes you would believe the production value will go up. If the upcoming scenes feature lots of extras or CGI that will be expensive as well so having only 7 episodes will mean more money per episode to spend.

I don't know if HBO preferred two more seasons either for budgetary or programming reasons. Hopefully it will mean more budget per episode to maintain the high production standard, instead of seeing the same 10 extras in all the scenes...:)

13 episodes isn't definite yet. They've said that they originally reckoned that they'd have 70-75 episodes and until they get there they won't know for certain.

duploelabs · 29-06-2016 09:10AM

lazybones32 wrote: »

Loris was a sort of commanding officer among the sparrows. He wouldn't be going alone but with a complement of men with clubs.

Lancel (formally lannister) is the character you're referring to, Loris is someone different

Enzokk · 29-06-2016 09:17AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

13 episodes isn't definite yet. They've said that they originally reckoned that they'd have 70-75 episodes and until they get there they won't know for certain.

I am going off the below article where the creators say that they need another 13 hours to complete their story. That is 13 more episodes if you use 1 hour each. I hope it goes on a lot longer, but I would like resolution as well so while it is a little sad, then end is near.

Link here

CMOTDibbler · 29-06-2016 09:27AM

Enzokk wrote: »

I am going off the below article where the creators say that they need another 13 hours to complete their story. That is 13 more episodes if you use 1 hour each. I hope it goes on a lot longer, but I would like resolution as well so while it is a little sad, then end is near.

Link here

And I'm going with an interview from 'Deadline' with David Benioff:

It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now. What Dan says is really true, but it’s not just trying not to outstay your welcome. We’re trying to tell one cohesive story with a beginning, middle and end. As Dan said, we’ve known the end for quite some time and we’re hurtling towards it.

They're going with 73 for now, but it seems open ended.

Enzokk · 29-06-2016 09:45AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

And I'm going with an interview from 'Deadline' with David Benioff:

They're going with 73 for now, but it seems open ended.

Either way we agree that it is two more seasons that will either be 13 or 15 episodes as it stands right now.:)

Essien · 29-06-2016 09:51AM

walshb wrote: »

Not a bad episode, but surely they could have given some lead up to Arya getting to Frey? Not a dickie bird, and next she's cutting his throat.

I'm glad they did that.

Arya is a wildcard now, and part of her strength is in her ability to drift around unnoticed then strike out of nowhere. It will always come as a huge shock to her victim so I think it's great that, in some cases, the audience can also experience the surprise.

PaddyWilliams · 29-06-2016 09:56AM

Can't wait for the deleted scenes DVD, with crackers such as

'The One Where Little finger rides in a carriage for ages, occasionally scratching his balls and farting'.
'The One Where Arya sails for Westeros and mainly catches some Z's on the way'.
'The One where all the nameless soldiers stand around, doing not much, while waiting for the battle to start'.

Absolutely riveting.

CdeC · 29-06-2016 10:14AM

dimwittedrep wrote: »

CdeC wrote: »

What I love about the series was how they always leave you guessing.

I was probably most shocked at Margery Tyrells death.
They went through all that with the high sparrow and the prison, with her slipping the note to Olenna and then finally for the penny to drop in the Sept and for her to realize that she is in real danger and try and get out. It was very exciting and until the last moment I really believed she d get out.

In a way, yes, exciting. In another way it made me wonder what the whole point of any of it was. Like I can ask again, what the hell was Pycelle for at any stage in six seasons?

Yeah maybe people will wonder why but I suppose like in a murder mystery its simply there to throw you off the scent. Maybe Pycelle did have a plan but he never managed to bring it to any fruition. I really didn't think they'd kill off Margery as they were building her story.
Was genuinely shocked because of it. Think that is why GOT is so good. Other shows might wind down a character arc and then kill them off.

Dubh Geannain · 29-06-2016 10:15AM

We've now seen two instances with Brann's warging having an effect on the past. Ned sensing him at the Tower of Joy (shown for the second time last night) and Hodor. I wonder will this develop into anything.

Also six seasons in and Ygritte still hasn't been proven wrong about Jon Snow.

I think the most harrowing part of the episode for me was Cersei leaving the Mountian removing his armour as the door closed

CdeC · 29-06-2016 10:20AM

Nesta99 wrote: »

I'd have thought it'd be an interesting twist if Margaery had escaped the wildfire explosion and then shoved Tommen out the window in revenge for the death of her brother and father. The showdown with Cersei could have been played with, maybe Jamie driving a sword through her but in horror of what he was made do to keep is mad erm sister on side. Olenna is pure class as a character, hope she features a lot more with the vendetta alliance and the Dorne ladies! I dont feel quite so impatient about a years wait for the next season funnily enough. Maybe it is because there is an end in sight but probably as much to do with the lose ends coming together - dragons and entourage with their fleet of ships finally off to Westeros, parentage of JS sorted, Boltons dead, Freys dead with the twist of an appetising final meal for auld Walder. Bran getting back toward the wall. Mormont finding his 'cure' and where he will pop up again could be interesting.

I though what might have been good was if Margery got out just in time but was burned by the wikdfire and then escapes to Highgarden unknown to Cersei that she survived. Tommen kills himself as he thinks she is dead too.
Margery now horrifically burned knows her ambitions to be queen are now ruined so she sets her sights on how to destroy Cersei.
I suppose we are still getting that in a way with Olenna looking for vengence but the whole Dorne thing just doesn't make sense.
The entire region and it's lords are grand with a former mistress and her slutty daughters killing the ruling family and taking over??
The only saving grace is the actress that is playing the former mistress of Oberyn is pretty good,

tringle · 29-06-2016 11:19AM

I thought Tommen jumping out the window was very Craggy Island and just too comical to be worthy of the show.

Also with Cersei having short blond hair (given the timing it should have been longer now) the image of her sitting on the throne with the crown was very similar to that of Joffrey and Tommen, more so Joffrey with his mad sneer.

What has happened to Roberts supposed eldest bastard, the blacksmith (cant remember his name), the red witch had him but what happened then?

ohnonotgmail · 29-06-2016 11:21AM

tringle wrote: »

I thought Tommen jumping out the window was very Craggy Island and just too comical to be worthy of the show.

Also with Cersei having short blond hair (given the timing it should have been longer now) the image of her sitting on the throne with the crown was very similar to that of Joffrey and Tommen, more so Joffrey with his mad sneer.

What has happened to Roberts supposed eldest bastard, the blacksmith (cant remember his name), the red witch had him but what happened then?

Gendry is still rowing his boat.

CMOTDibbler · 29-06-2016 11:25AM

tringle wrote: »

Also with Cersei having short blond hair (given the timing it should have been longer now) the image of her sitting on the throne with the crown was very similar to that of Joffrey and Tommen, more so Joffrey with his mad sneer.

I know this is highly controversial stuff but is it possible that she's keeping her hair short because she likes the look?

klose · 29-06-2016 11:38AM

I saw it mentioned somewhere that the image of the wildfyre blowing up under the sept is the exact same as from branns vision earlier on, so perhaps brann can also see into the future as well as the past!

Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

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