Metallica St Anger (or should I say Nu-tallica)

Praetorian

Ok, Just got the new Metallica album St Anger...Thanks *******!

Anyway, first impressions; I'm not that impressed really. Frantic is fairly good, St Anger (the song) isn't bad. The rest of them well, how can I say this...hmm aren't good. This is coming from a fan that likes all of the old albums (yes including Load n Reload)

At least we know they will be brilliant live

nesthead

ahem..............no solos.....

nu-tallica is right! this whole thing has been engineered since the start, the tour with Linkin Park, the MTVIcon, all of it to rope in the kids!!

At least we know they will be brilliant live

will they? what classics will they cut out to make way for the new ****e?? we'll find out on Sunday as MTV2 are showing the metallica performance live from RockAmRing on Sunday (so i belive)

cournioni

Praetorian

Metallica were brilliant the last time they were here. It was officially the Load tour, but they only played one song from the album. It was nearly all old fast classics

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

back in 99'?

that was a good show

Ronan|Raven

I sure as hell wouldnt call it numetal and I sure as hell wouldnt call it "oldmetal" just listened to most of it their and some of the songs are fairly decent then there are some like Dirty Window which is just god awful. Im relatively happy with it and im sure it shall "grow" on me. Spose after 23 odd years on can not live up as much to the genius they once released. Still looking hella forward to the gig.

byte

Damn, I've just ordered it from Play, and had hoped to see good reviews here!

Is the bonus DVD any good?

nesthead

a bonus DVD? bah an incentive for those without DVD-Writers to keep it. god i hate whatever insidious marketing creeps are behind this "Nu-tallica" creation......no doubt the same ****s behind the concept of Linkin Park........

Ronan|Raven

L0L Porn just saw the image and nesthead are you the same person who keeps emailing me about the existence of aliens at roswell and crop circles :P

Antisocialiser

First song went with out a solo and i knew the second one didnt have a solo - ****in disgusted! Then all the other songs ran into each other using the same riffs (i actually think the bloody thing is looped). But not one solo wat the **** is kirk even there for?! Massive disappointment, you can see they are appealing to nu metal listeners. Wat happened after black album - i say get james back on the booze!- they wouldnt need to play a st anger set in dublin

Sarky

Just caught the last 30 seconds of St. Anger on Kerrang telly.

Not all that impressed. Didn't exactly sound very polished. The energy is there, but that's about it. Just a load of frenetic noise, really...:(

Oh well, we'll always have the early years...

nesthead

Originally posted by Ronan|Raven
nesthead are you the same person who keeps emailing me about the existence of aliens at roswell and crop circles :P

emmm..................wtf?? no! sounds like a pretty intersting topic tho!


god this album sucks! Kirk obviously has arthritis as there is no solos on the album, they apparently played solo-less versions of all there songs at the download festival and on the DVD thats packaged with the cd he doesnt even mess at all in time between the songs when everyone else does.
James also does all the bits that a lead guitarist would do. all of the songs are in drop-d aswell which sucks arse.

if they dont play any solos at all at rockamring on sunday they wont play any at our gig here and ill sell my ticket.

Ronan|Raven

Solos arent the end of the world although can be good . There are some good songs on that album imho like what the hell did ye expect after Load and Reload? The messiah to come floating out of heaven? Metallica peaked one can argue after Master Of Puppets and all after that has been a complete dissapointment in peoples eyes (not mine) At the end of the day enjoy it if ye want and dont if ya dont wanna, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Just because I like it doesnt make it good whereas if someone doesnt like it doesnt make it bad either. I look as forward as ever to the gig in August.

Mystic Fibrosis

Who GIVES a **** about solos? Metallica didnt exactly define themselves by stringing scales together...

cournioni

Originally posted by Mystic Fibrosis
Who GIVES a **** about solos? Metallica didnt exactly define themselves by stringing scales together...

No solos = Boring, souless songs

Especially when there is room for one in there. For some songs the solos should be left out if they do not fit the song itself. But Metallica are blatantly leaving them out to gain a younger audience. Well Slayer have gathered alot of young fans by sticking to their solos and agressive songs. The riffs might not be as good but they have stuck to what they were at 25 years ago. Metallica have not. Which means, IMO that they suck, and have sold out.

b20uvkft6m5xwg

I've listened to the whole thing constantly for the last 4/5 days.

The Jury is Out.
I've found alot of the songs really disjointed with little continuim to them. "St. Anger" (track 2) jumps all over the place as do a lot of the songs. It has its moment though with some good riffs in parts.

Still not totally sold on the whole thing. The only thing that seems to have returned is the length of the tracks has gone back to its traditional 6-8 mins.


The St. Anger Vid is cool actually - when they play in San Quentin Peniteniary

Drunk pirate

I suppose the reason they do no solos is to focus on the riff so they dont waste all the energy on solos and produce good riffs. The album is very good. Nice and thrashy. I detect NO nu-metal.

I have an idea to record myself playing a few St.Anger songs with fake bass & drums and have me do guitar and do solo's for every song. I heard some parts in the album where a solo would be brilliant to put it in. A great learning oportunity for me!

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
No solos = Boring, souless songs

tht is the biggest load of pretentious bullshít i have ever heard.

MrJoeSoap

The album is absolute rubbish. I dont care what people think of solos but to suddenly go from having them for years and years to not having one on 11 tracks (most of which are over 5/6 mins) detects £££ grabbing. They are obviously trying to cash in on the Nu-Metal train which is absolutely crazy, cos they can obviously do so much better than that. Im just glad i got a copy of the album and didnt pay any money for it, cos i would have brought it straight back.

Placebo

dang , Nu metal, dang it, just for the kids ! oh god !dang Mtv icon.


note the sarcasm.

cournioni

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
tht is the biggest load of pretentious bullshít i have ever heard.

Explain "Mr. I know it all about music". Show us your Berkley education then.

Lemming

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Explain "Mr. I know it all about music". Show us your Berkley education then.

Whislt I think WWM could have worded his commentary better Pornapster, I do agree with him (in disagreeing, of course )

A solo is not what makes a song. The solo sits on top of the base foundations for a song. It's the base that lays the foundations and sets the mood/emotive-stance of a song. The solo merely embelishes that foundation.

It's like a symphony. You don't just play the rest of the movement/symphony to get to whatever "solos" (if you will) may pop up. Rather they build upon the theme.

Anyway, that's my 2/3/4/10 cents :ninja:

cournioni

Originally posted by Lemming
Whislt I think WWM could have worded his commentary better Pornapster, I do agree with him (in disagreeing, of course )

A solo is not what makes a song. The solo sits on top of the base foundations for a song. It's the base that lays the foundations and sets the mood/emotive-stance of a song. The solo merely embelishes that foundation.

It's like a symphony. You don't just play the rest of the movement/symphony to get to whatever "solos" (if you will) may pop up. Rather they build upon the theme.

Anyway, that's my 2/3/4/10 cents :ninja:

I agree with you, but that is not what I was saying there. I was saying in some cases, songs without solos are boring. Which is one of the main reasons why I dislike nu-metal so much (apart from the rapping of course). I find bands like Slipknot boring because there is no "high point" in the song. All it is, is repetitive riffs in their songs.

But if you have a very very fast paced song like The Haunted's "Revelation" or whatever, there is no need for a song because your mind is occupied by the fast riffs and drumming. But sometimes when you have an average paced song, that isn't the best song you'll ever hear you need an opening somewhere to make the song more interesting. And that opening should be for a solo of some sort.

snickerpuss

i got it but i wasnt mad about it. Ive been listening to it a lot and some of the tracks are growing on me but it is very nu-metal and not as clean...i dunno..its a bit messy, all over the place. im not as impressed as i thought i would be...still....i cant wait to see them.
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And the person askin about the dvd ...its just the album but in "rehersals" actually its quite boring

Sarky

Nobody here, unless they actually know the band, can say in all honesty whether they sold out or not.

I think the point is that, whatever reasons/excuses/ideas they had for making the album how it is, they should be capable of far better.

Crucifix

If I think about it as an album, it's average; some good riffs, great drums, bad guitar sound.
If I think about it as a Metallica album, it's bad.
Just my opinion of course.
I really hope Kirk can still play solos. It'd be sad to lose such talent, plus I want solos in august.

Sarky

The best thing about this new album so far is the amount of old Metallica tunes doing the rounds on the music channels lately. Saw a brilliant live version of Fade To Black on MTV yesterday, immediately followed by Nothing Else Matters.:D

cournioni

Yeah the stuff on Kill 'Em All kicked ass live.

Ronan|Raven

Slightly OT but did anyone watch the gig last night on MTV2?

bubbles

Yeah, caught the gig, and thought they where brilliant - only 2 songs from st. anger me thinks, loads of the oldies. If they play 1/3 as good when over here I'll be happy!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i taped the gig but haven't watched it all yet, what i saw looked pretty good though

playmate

If I think about it as a Metallica album, it's bad

gotta agree wit ya. ive been waiting 18 months for this album ...all the sites n mags said it would be there best album to date etc. etc., usual bulls**t ... got it ... listened to da first 10 seconds ... and my heart jus sank. i was expectin some top class metallica tracks n what i got was wat a friend has defined as "linkin park mixed with a really really bad imitation of S.O.A.D. " ! , even most of the nu-metal kids ive been talkn to in temple bar think that by standards of a metallica album... it sux!

Deadwing

I STOLE a copy of St anger because i didnt want to give that F**K Ulrich any more money than he deserves for being a crap drummer, ha ha Ulrich, i just cost YOU 20 quid! You GIMP!
Anywho, anyone who says St Anger isnt nu metal is just an old skool fan trying to convince themselves.."no, no..metallica didnt go ****, they just...uhh..evolved, yeah, thats right!" Bollocks, It could be the new korn album (only that would prolly be better, and have better drumming) Its by the numbers nu-metal, like load was by the numbers wannabe grunge. Sell outs, Sell outs, Sell outs. And in case you think im some nu metal loving mini rocker, im 23 and have been listening to metallica since i was 10, which is why this saddens me.
I think its ironic, the very bands who were paying tribute to metallica at the MTVicon, are the very bands metallica are now ripping off.

Ronan|Raven

I STOLE a copy of St anger because i didnt want to give that F**K Ulrich any more money than he deserves for being a crap drummer, ha ha Ulrich, i just cost YOU 20 quid! You GIMP!

Thats it Deadwing you show them fight the power fight the system! You show those fat cats in the music industry! I can hear the reverberations of your actions rumbling through the recording studios of the world. Idiocy abound......

Antisocialiser

I STOLE a copy of St anger

Rofl angelwhore goes mad about people downloading tracks i wonder what he is gonna say about this.

padraigmyers

I just got the album today, and I am very dissapointed, its just utter ****e, forget about the nu-metal comparissions (though thry are glaring, the "flush it out" bit in St. Anger itself is particularily terrible), its just a very average album, which (as mentioned before) by Metallia standards is crap.

The drum sound is just so crap, the guitar sound is pretty bad, but the drums are just so awful, theres a bit in the third track ("some kind of monster") where the drums are on their own behind James's singing and they sound so hollow, its the kind of thing that you expect from a demo production, after the kind of full sound they had on, say, the black album.....this is such a step backward. The drums sound like paper all the time, that snare is a joke.

The lack of solos is also ****ty too, there's no denying that songs like One, Nothing Else Matters, Enter Sandman, Fade to Black etc all had solo's as their high points, the solo was the real cresendo, can you imagine hearing "One" live and stopping after the double-bass bit!!! That would be a tradgety.

If I find out for definete that when they come to Dublin that they aren't going to play any solos, they my tickets for sale, I'd rather remember them how they were then the embarrasment they have become.

Anyway, thats my two cents, I really think its time Metallia broke up, they are just becoming a joke...........

gandalf

OK been a 'Tallica fan for quite a while and I've just received the album today thanks to CDWOW.

First impressions I thought it was weak tbh but after listening to some of the songs a few times they are growing on me. Not classic Metallica like Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets but I think its still quite good.

As for the live concert they are without doubt the best band I have seen live (and I've seen them 3 times so far in concert in Ireland)

Gandalf.

byte

I received the album yesterday (€12.50ish from Play.com ) but I also must admit its poor. I've only listened to it once, but unlike previous Metallica material, I'm not eager to hear it again!

In hindsight, I probably would have been better spending the money on getting one of their classic albums on CD (since most I have are on cassette )

/|/)etal)-|ead

I got their album on Thursday, haven't listened to it since, it's very bad compared to even Reload. I didn't decect any nu metal at all, the closest to it was probably the "flush it out" thing on st. anger. I really don't think this album is selling out, the black album IMO was much more of a sell-out commercial thing than this.
The vocals and guitar in particular sound really terrible, even the live DVD sounded much better IMO lol. It really is a pity that there are no solos, there's barely even lead guitar, it's such a waste of their amazing talent.
But, on a happier note, that Rock Am Ring show was totally brilliant, I even watched the repeat straight afterwards. They can all still play extremely well without Jason ( but kirk and robert cant sing for ****). I'd say Bob Rock is probably their main problem, they should really try and get the hell away from that guy, all their albums before he latched on were masterpieces, then the black album kinda ruined them.

cournioni

Originally posted by /|/)etal)-|ead
I'd say Bob Rock is probably their main problem, they should really try and get the hell away from that guy, all their albums before he latched on were masterpieces, then the black album kinda ruined them.

Hell yes, Flemming Rasmussen all the way!

Lemming

A mate of mine mentioned something interesting to me today.

Lars is quoted as saying that this isn't really a "commercial" album. Then my mate pointed out that perhaps they're just having some fun for once? Rather then churning out another ball-breaking album and saying "f*ck it"

I dunno

The album is growing on me I must say, and listening to some of the lyrics in, say, "Some Kind of Monster" there's some subtle mentions to the band and how people have vilified them for the past 'n' number of years.

If they released another rehash of their earlier albums, they'd be selling out to get the "guaraunteed old skool". If they make something else, they're beratted.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Hmmmm. Interesting.