Cw098

kegan5

Is anyone in this course, Whats it like...what subjects are covered, wat type of projects are in it?


Kate

car

So if ur in Cw098, what do u think of the course so far, me personaly I think it is a joke, if ur man from ISE says one more time that "YOU WILL BE LEARNING THIS IN 4TH YEAR" I will scream, I only want to know what I need to know for the bleady exam next summer. As for the class on Linux its a joke u cannot learn code from a lecture going on about the CHMOD command at the top of the room, the only way you can learn code is by typing it into a pc and learning from the errors.
Well I feel a little bit better now, but let me know what u think of the course so far.

s4dd

Hmm... sounds like someone should join netsoc to get some practical *nix experience

...not that i'm pushing netsoc on boards or anything.

Redrocket

Join Netsoc!

seanos

Em ... don't start it again - once funny 'n all ....

Laguna

There's a lot of problems with the course structure. Having come from CW019 which i found alright, with it's mix of programming & general end user support knowledge, I found it disconcerting to enter a course with a lot of dead weight subjects such as Project Management, which I KNOW, is vital for computer systems managers but surely not in the way it is being lectured. Ms Murphy reading the same sheets over and over again verbatim, using the same turns of phrases to explain the most simple of man management concepts, getting an hour lecture out of 1 a4 sheet of theory notes. I can just about appreciate that she has to cater for all levels of familiarity with management concepts, but hey if we were jerk off assholes, we wouldn't have made it into third year. I find the big guy Dunican very difficult to learn from as he gives his lectures in an almost confrontational style (i.e It's my way or no way), the phrase "take the role and shut your hole" comes to mind, we're not primary school students, is third level education not supposed to be the place where you (take note dunican) "Discuss" ideolgies. All in all this course is extremely flawed, but i'm just gonna do it and get the flock out of here with the degree. Have it! :cool:

begbie

Everything you said in your post above Laguna is so true. I did that course this year. I hated it. Needless to say, i failed and am now no longer in college. I'll never do a computer course again.

i_am_dogboy

Laguna wrote:

There's a lot of problems with the course structure. Having come from CW019 which i found alright, with it's mix of programming & general end user support knowledge, I found it disconcerting to enter a course with a lot of dead weight subjects such as Project Management, which I KNOW, is vital for computer systems managers but surely not in the way it is being lectured. Ms Murphy reading the same sheets over and over again verbatim, using the same turns of phrases to explain the most simple of man management concepts, getting an hour lecture out of 1 a4 sheet of theory notes. I can just about appreciate that she has to cater for all levels of familiarity with management concepts, but hey if we were jerk off assholes, we wouldn't have made it into third year. I find the big guy Dunican very difficult to learn from as he gives his lectures in an almost confrontational style (i.e It's my way or no way), the phrase "take the role and shut your hole" comes to mind, we're not primary school students, is third level education not supposed to be the place where you (take note dunican) "Discuss" ideolgies. All in all this course is extremely flawed, but i'm just gonna do it and get the flock out of here with the degree. Have it! :cool:

I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, but why are you doing your course when you have over the last few years had nothing good to say about it or the college?

gogo

begbie wrote:

Everything you said in your post above Laguna is so true. I did that course this year. I hated it. Needless to say, i failed and am now no longer in college. I'll never do a computer course again.

I thought I logged in as begbie and posted that comment in my sleep.
seeing as i didn't, ditto, although i will do a course again.

Laguna

Because I want a degree. The college is not of a high standard though, I'm not going to say it's good just because I come here. Why do you think the majority of people end up coming here, either they live in the viscinity of the college and it's handy to get to or because they didn't get the points to go anywhere else. The standard of lecturing here is inadequate, there is very little evidence of many of the lecturers having completed a PGCE to say they have been trainedhow to deliver a class, present notes etc. There are a few very good lecturers here, namely Padraig Louglin, Ken Power etc. but the general consensus of this college is that of it being a outpost/frontier institution.

gogo

You know why Padraig Loughlin is good- Because A. he knows his stuff and B. when he dosen't know he has no problem in saying it. So many lecturers feel the need to fill you with bull**** for the sake of saving face. Padraig says "listen i don't know but I will find out" _ and in fairness to him he would.

I like Padraig.

begbie

gogo wrote:

You know why Padraig Loughlin is good- Because A. he knows his stuff and B. when he dosen't know he has no problem in saying it. So many lecturers feel the need to fill you with bull**** for the sake of saving face. Padraig says "listen i don't know but I will find out" _ and in fairness to him he would.

I like Padraig.

Yeah, he's sound. I didn't attention his classes very often in 2nd year though. Found the classes boring. I will probably do another course again, just not computers. Will try something else out instead. Can't be any worst or more boring.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

are you trying to say that carlow IT is the only college in Ireland with bad lecturers, **** courses and crappy facilities?

if a computer course didn't work for you, then perhaps some portion of the blame oughta be attributed to you?

Why do you think the majority of people end up coming here, either they live in the viscinity of the college and it's handy to get to or because they didn't get the points to go anywhere else.

I would imagine the same holds true for alot of people in a lot of courses in alot of colleges, still quite alot of them manage to get their degrees and exit their 3rd level education gracefully. I believe seanos said it somewhere on carlowit, the point of 3rd level education is that you are expected to do a bit of the work yourself.. research the material given (and whatever material you felt *should* have been given) and make an attempt yourself at doing the work.

The lecturers aren't there to babysit you, they might not be great lecturers but were you a great student?

I however *was* a great student, the college just ****ed me over.. twice..

*cough*

Baldy

Mordeth wrote:

are you trying to say that carlow IT is the only college in Ireland with bad lecturers, **** courses and crappy facilities?

if a computer course didn't work for you, then perhaps some portion of the blame oughta be attributed to you?



I would imagine the same holds true for alot of people in a lot of courses in alot of colleges, still quite alot of them manage to get their degrees and exit their 3rd level education gracefully. I believe seanos said it somewhere on carlowit, the point of 3rd level education is that you are expected to do a bit of the work yourself.. research the material given (and whatever material you felt *should* have been given) and make an attempt yourself at doing the work.

The lecturers aren't there to babysit you, they might not be great lecturers but were you a great student?

I however *was* a great student, the college just ****ed me over.. twice..

*cough*

I would imagine you are possibly the worst person to comment against or in that fact on any college course. Considering you spent hardly any time in the lectures in carlow and as for exiting college gracefully (after repeating first year how many times?) that was a complete no go either. *cough* well done to you *cough*. As for Carlow IT, thinking in terms of lecturers I think the most of them are quite good, I found that most lecturers are willing to bend over backward to help out a student once a student is willing to ask for there help.

i_am_dogboy

Laguna wrote:

Why do you think the majority of people end up coming here, either they live in the viscinity of the college and it's handy to get to or because they didn't get the points to go anywhere else..

I resent that, i came to carlow with 415 points in my leaving cert, because the course i did has a good name and material, and it was my top choice.

I think you probably should have gone to college to do something you wanted to do rather than just for a degree, you're into acting right? Why not do something related? Seeing as you hate the course and the material, I can't help but imagine you will hate the jobs you get as a result.......

I gotta agree with cillian on this one, most colleges will have the fair share of bad lecturers, facilities and whatnot. Still your views on the place are as they are and nothing we say will change them-but i think you will find that most colleges are similar, if not worse.

Ivan

i_am_dogboy wrote:

I resent that, i came to carlow with 415 points in my leaving cert, because the course i did has a good name and material, and it was my top choice.

I think you probably should have gone to college to do something you wanted to do rather than just for a degree, you're into acting right? Why not do something related? Seeing as you hate the course and the material, I can't help but imagine you will hate the jobs you get as a result.......

I gotta agree with cillian on this one, most colleges will have the fair share of bad lecturers, facilities and whatnot. Still your views on the place are as they are and nothing we say will change them-but i think you will find that most colleges are similar, if not worse.

Ditto. In a manner of speaking.
400 points, 470 with LCVP
The course had a good reputation and I had some friends down here, that and Dublin is too bloody expensive.

And Baldy, lay off the Mordeth bashing... its too easy.
His point was valid and its not really something you need to attend college to learn, its what we call "Common Sense".

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

jesus christ baldy, just ****ing ask me out already. stop constantly flirting with me on boards.

Baldy

Mordeth wrote:

jesus christ baldy, just ****ing ask me out already. stop constantly flirting with me on boards.

I'm just letting you know i'm interested, you have to do the asking out, it's no longer the man that asks the girl out

Baldy

Ivan wrote:

His point was valid and its not really something you need to attend college to learn, its what we call "Common Sense".

Sorry hows is that common sense, you need to actually experience the lecture to comment on them! common sense doesn't come into it, maybe hearing it from other students will account for a persons knowledge. If it does come into it im totally missing your point!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

when did I comment on specific lecturers? or lectures in particular?

I think you're missing your own point..

Baldy

Mordeth wrote:

when did I comment on specific lecturers? or lectures in particular? I think you're missing your own point..

I never said you commented on specific lectures! or any lectures in particular! you commented on lectures in general and I felt that you need to have actually attended a reasonable amount of lectures to be able to comment on them either specifically or generally! That was the point i was making!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well

that's just bull****.

sorry, but you need to actually *think* about this for a second..

elvis2002

In my own experience in networking, I think we've had more bad lectures than good ones. Keith is the best by far, If every lecturer was a knowledgeable as Keith Smyth on their subject, I dont think anybody would be complaing. College is alright though I feel, just think of the end product which is always worth it, even if B Power makes you feel like suicide.

Baldy

Dead right Keith! Is an amazing lecturer, not only does he have a healthy knowledge of subject but he relays the information very well! The lectures are all pretty well versed in their subjects but I personally believe you need a lecturer that gets your attention, whether it be by being a complete Nazi shouting and screaming their head off (till the class shuts up) or telling a few jokes in class to help you more attentive (I'm not saying it should be all fun and games).

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

so it's up to the lecturer to make you do your work?

elvis2002

well lectures didnt make you do anything did they? and now look at you.......... ;->

Baldy

Mordeth wrote:

so it's up to the lecturer to make you do your work?

I never said the lecturer needs to make me do my work I said

Baldy wrote:

I personally believe you need a lecturer that gets your attention

because when I'm attentive in class I find I learn more.

and I think this is perfect

Mordeth wrote:

well

that's just bull****.

sorry, but you need to actually *think* about this for a second..

Possibly reading what I said might help

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

because when I'm attentive in class I find I learn more.

not the lecturers problem. that's your problem, it's up to you to learn it's not up to him to be your monkey boy.

well lectures didnt make you do anything did they? and now look at you.......... ;->

ah, but I'm not blaming them

Baldy

Mordeth wrote:

not the lecturers problem. that's your problem, it's up to you to learn it's not up to him to be your monkey boy. ah, but I'm not blaming them

Well the lecturer is there to teach you, this involves discussing best teaching methods and attempting to put them into practice (among other things). And since there is no formal method of outlining lecturer's teaching methods it is up to them to personally decided which is best and just because I find a lecturer good doesn't mean he's my "monkey boy", but it is helpful if they are good. But you are right at the end of the day it's up to me to want to learn and I've done that (So far)!