mod Civic

red_ice

Im buying a 00 civic in the near future and i was wondering is there any good places in dublin (except for liffyvalley) that do auto parts for modding cars?

My dad was a mechanic in brands hatch and he says my best bet is to take a trip to kent, buy a civic (maybe a focus) then do the works over there in about 5 days. There is apparently a line of tuning shops on the way to the race course.

Yes i am 19, and no i dont want to bear the 'boy racer' tag for the simple fact that it is labled with the term muppet. Im looking at a 1.4 for insurance reasons but im not leaving it at that. Boring out the cilinders, new cilinder heads, new exhaust manifould and maybe a turbo in there somewhere. My goal is to get the 80/90 BHP to about 150. From what i know the changes without the turbo will give about 60-70 BHP due to the engine breathing properly, the turbo may add 30+. Im starting off with the exhaust, and i dont know anywhere that can run the spec im looking for.

I also am looking at a nice consirvative bodykit, nothing flashy or far from the civic look - i dont want a snowplow stuck on the front. Lowered and stuffened and 17/18 inch chromes for the finish.

As i said, my goal is to make the car actually run instead of your average bloke who has a stupid spoiler and no power in his 1.0 micra.

Is there anywhere that does these mods? Its impossible to get my hands on the parts too, unless i do the england option and import a car - which im willing to do if needs be.

reD.

ballooba

My mates doing a Civic at the moment. 1.4 I think (maybe 1.3) its one you mcan't get outside Japan anyway. He got the exhaust done today, wheels are on and Raptor Performance are doing the body kit. His is a 96 though I think. He got the kit from the states tooI think and Raptor are fitting it. If you get yours done the same way as his he'll track you down and make you eat yours.

Where you based?

red_ice

i dont think he would beat mine when its done When im through with this engine it will eat most 1.4s and spit em out. If the in slight chance i do loose - ill get my dad to whip out the BMW M3 2003. Its only 360BHP and does 0-60 in 3.3seconds.

Where is he getting it done?

Im based in dublin

ballooba

He's getting it done in Dublin but buying the parts elsewhere think. there was a Max Power type exhibition on in the RDS the same day as Megalan so some of the crowd that were at Megalan would know who sponsored it etc.

louie

Give this lad a call @ Broadside Performance. He's name is John Mernangh form Trim.
he's specialised in performance tunning for over 25 years.
051 422 520

Chimaera

Im looking at a 1.4 for insurance reasons but im not leaving it at that. Boring out the cilinders, new cilinder heads, new exhaust manifould and maybe a turbo in there somewhere. My goal is to get the 80/90 BHP to about 150.

If you're planning to do this much, why not just buy a Type R in the first place. Your insurance is going to be absolutely insane for that level of modification, probably far in excess of what you'd pay on a Type R. You're also getting a car which has the handling sorted by the manufacturer, rather than chancing your arm with non-standard parts. Manufacturers generally have a good reason for spending millions signing off the suspension settings on a new car. Try and use some common sense here.

puntosporting

I hope ya have around 10k to spend on performance cos thats what it will cost ya!
Just buy a bloody vti and slap on a jackson supercharger it would work out cheaper and more powerfull!
Seriuosly do i think your dreaming !

Gmodified

Dream on, 1.4 engine is total waste of time and money.
You are boy racer and keep watching Fast and Furious.

Probably next what you going to buy will be white VW Jetta

Get car made for it and just pay the insurance instead of buying neon lights.

KoNiT

from what i'm reading, your boring out a 1.4 & keeping the log book as a 1.4 for insurance purposes. Your insurance won't cover you for a start unless you declare it & your wasting money to get a NON vtec 1.6, thats IF you can bore a 1.4 that far...

As previously stated get a vti, as well as being 160-170 bhp, its got BETTER brakes....

Turbo's are costly 5000+ by the time your finished , the turbo itself isn't too bad its the bits & ecu programming that will cost you....

Blitzkrieger

Unless you declare all modifications, your insurance will be invalid, so you might as well not bother. They'll charge a fortune for any performance enhancements.

red_ice

from what i'm reading, your boring out a 1.4 & keeping the log book as a 1.4 for insurance purposes. Your insurance won't cover you for a start unless you declare it & your wasting money to get a NON vtec 1.6, thats IF you can bore a 1.4 that far...

Konit hit the nail on the head.

I am modding the car in hope that i get some performance out of it, and present a legal car to the books that can move. If i got a vtec my insurance would rocket.

I want to make it seem as though its a 1.4 run of the mill civic for the insurance, then mod it. Its not like i would claim if i crashed.... jesus no. This way, im 'insured' and driving an above average car.

red_ice

also the turbo is last on the list, its not that important to me ATM.

puntosporting - 10k is just stupid. 4-5 grand would be all i need. There is no need for labour as i said my dad and i would be fitting the parts.

Borzoi

Originally posted by red_ice


I want to make it seem as though its a 1.4 run of the mill civic for the insurance, then mod it. Its not like i would claim if i crashed.... jesus no. This way, im 'insured' and driving an above average car.

No you're not, you have an insurance disk that's all. For all the good that it's worth you might as well make one yourself from an old cereal box and a crayon.

What if you crash and your passengers are injured - no cover for them, never mind hitting another car, biker or pedestrian.

You're 19 ffs take it easy, buy a small car and get some experince.

ButcherOfNog

Originally posted by red_ice
way, im 'insured' and driving an above average car.

No, you're not insured

the evil belly

Originally posted by red_ice
Its not like i would claim if i crashed.... jesus no.

you might not have a choice in the matter if anyone else was involved and when the insurance company come looking and they find a modded engine they'll void your insurance, you'll have to fork out for the settlement and the gardai can take you to court for driving without insurance

This way, im 'insured' and driving an above average car.

and thats the reason the rest of us have to pay huge sums of money to get insured oin standard cars. i'd love to be able to afford to do some work on a car for myself but i'd only get ass raped by an insurance company because of people like you pushing up premiums

ballooba

Its because of cúnts like you that Ordinary Decent Criminals like me can't get insured. Where you getting all this money btw, if you dpn't mind me asking? You dealing drugs?

Stay off my patch.

Gmodified

If the insurance company gets sniff of any modification to the engine,
You will not even get paid for you own car when you crush (if you have fully comp cover). Don't mention the other victim
Surely, your insurance on VTEC will be lower then total price for 00 CIVIC+turbo +and additional crap

red_ice

Originally posted by ballooba
Its because of cúnts like you that Ordinary Decent Criminals like me can't get insured. Where you getting all this money btw, if you dpn't mind me asking? You dealing drugs?

Stay off my patch.

People dont save money? Make websites? ... work?

Anyways... if people could stick to the topic i posted that would be nice.

One thing that is really starting to get to me is that you all seem to think that im going to be rallyin this thing about? Im not really that kind of driver - mind you im not a 20mph driver, but i usually keep it about 40. A car is to get from a-b, but if you can do it in something a little more fun, why not take the chance?

KoNiT

im 'insured' and driving an above average car.

bollocks... insured ...NOT! read the small print on your policy..

above average car... riiiiight...do a full comparison between a 1.4i & a 1.6 vti... stronger chassis/ suspension, BRAKES, engine mounts, did I mention brakes...
Please note if you get a "performance air filter" you have to declare it.

While your doing your "bolt-on's" ...upgrade the nut behind the wheel!!

again get yourself a vti or a starlet turbo..

batman_oh

emmm
m3 does 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, thats stock 345bhp
dont think the amazin 15bhp of mods is gonna get u down to 3.3 secs, in a lardy car like the m3 u would need 700bhp minimum to get anywhere near that

puntosporting

If you can even find someone to fabricate you the neccessary piping and manifold to run a turbo d be surprised!
Then you can think about getting the turbo itself,theirs no off the shelf ones available for your motor.
Then you will have to get it to run right or should i say run at all,a whole new ecu will be required and the fuelling on the car will be all wrong not too mind compression ratio`s it will require major rolling road time have ya ot one?
So if ya do manage to get the car to run then how long will the standard engine components last with the added pressure being produced by the turbo??
But youll probably have crashed by then due to the standard suspension setup up and poor front disk brakes letting you down!
I could go on and on about what will be needed to carry out a successfull turbo conversion!
I reckon 10,000 euro is pretty accurate to be honest!:rolleyes:

KoNiT

turbo's can be got for NA cars, a few kits for honda.. I contemplated getting one for my crx from fmax.com
but by the time I'd have it in, I would have a Lancer GSR 1.8 for the same money.... + purpose built turbo engine.

puntosporting

I agree turbo kits can be bought but as far as im aware their is none available off the shelf as in a bolt on format for the 1.4 civic!

Ba$tard

Alright red_ice

I wont be critical, just offer hopefully some good advice.


1) Honest to god, dont go the route you are taking. Listen to Konit. A 1.4 engine & chassis is a waste if you are going to do so much work on it. If you are going to do something like this, do it safely and with a B-series engine.

The 1.4's front end will not take the power you describe. I'd imagine you would get 400miles on low boost before you break a component.
You WILL bend the front subframe and distort your A-frame with the torque power. Leaving you with a car which runs sideways.

If you are modding something to this extend, sorry but I recommend England and select one of the many Expert Jap cars/imports engineering crews. Consult your localboyracer mag for contacts


2) The actual law states that a car which is modified from the time of insuring it which is involved in an accident IS covered by the insurance company, BUT in the event of a claim, the insuree needs to backpay the premium cost of the modification since his last renewal. BUT BUT if you do this, you will have a bloody hard time getting insurance next year FROM ANYONE.


3) You will NOT get an extra 60bhp out of the 1.4 without the addition of a turbo. I promise you. Dont even bother chipping the ECU.

4) Adding a turbo is a precarious task and needs to be done with skill. After installing, you will need a turbo timer and KEEP THE BOOST LOW.


In summary, you are 19. You will get fla'ed(technical insurance term) regardless on insurance.

1) If you want OTT power, ask Daddy Dearest for his M3 every so often

2) If you want power, buy a 98-onwards VTi. I own one and I love it. It has what you need, bigger, stronger brakes, front strut bar, ABS, EBD, side-impact bars, etc.
If you want to add power, as previously suggested, go buy a Jackson supercharger for $4000 and go fit it in the UK. It will give 200 lb/ft torque from 2,200rpm to 7,900rpm and add about 45bhp to your overall top end power. The suspension on a VTi is absolutely perfect for the car.

3) Be careful. You are 19, dont expect too much and dont kill yourself. How about spending half of what you want to spend and keep the rest for a deposit on a house

Ba$tard

Just for Puntosportings reply about the 1.4 kit. Yer correct.

None of the big generic turbo makers will warrant a turbo install in a 1.4 Civic engine.

I knew one guy in Belgium who put a turbo in andupgraded to forged pistons, titanium springs, reinforced conrods and front end.....guess what.....Lets just say a nice big hole was made in the side of the block.
J.

Blitzkrieger

Originally posted by red_ice
I want to make it seem as though its a 1.4 run of the mill civic for the insurance, then mod it. Its not like i would claim if i crashed.... jesus no. This way, im 'insured' and driving an above average car.

You're cleary not bothered about the cost of your car, but what you have to consider is the cost of any other cars involved in an accident. If it's your fault or not, they'll claim off your insurance, your modifications will be discovered and your insurance void. You will then be liable for all damages, including personal injuries which could run into hundreds of thousands. Insurance companies have lawyers to try to prevent fraudulent PI claims, you don't.

You might also face criminal charges for driving without insurance.

Tbh, money doesn't seem to be an issue for you, I'd buy a decent performance car and pay the huge insurance. Quinn Direct seem a bit Jeckle and Hyde but they quoted me on my father's 2.0l (€4,500 - no way could I afford it).