M views on SARS virus

Nick_oliveri

I feel this should be in personal issues cuz ppl gonna think im crazy

There was a film created in 1999 or 1998 (fu<k knows) named The TWELVE MONKEYS.This film depicts the end of the world by a virus that wipes most of mankind and forces the rest to live underground.In the film bruce willis came back to save mankind by figuring how the virus was spread.He ended up in a mental
hospital in 1999.I got the special edition dvd to rent last year and ripped it onto a video(i rule)!!In the special edition theres a documentery about some guy that was sent to a mental hospital claiming that the world was going to end(went on to inspire the film).This guy escaped from incarceration dramatically and as if by miricle.This sh!t happened.In the film the virus was said to have started in albaquerky(cant spell) hong kong etc etc.This is where the sars virus started.All the
Locations are the same with sars as the virus in the film(maybe minus 1!!!).The sars virus is a new virus and virtually no research has gone into it.It has mutated once since it has spread.In twelve monkeys the virus mutated to travel by air and not by physical contact.I hope to fu<k that what i think is going to happen isnt going to happen.But at least i dont have to bother going to school anymore.Dont look on me as a crazy dude.

Mods end this thread if u feel its nessesary

Bicky

Haha you are crazy

**** i am sick of this life buisness anyway..

Tusky

the virus in "12 monkeys" and the sars virus are a lil different...afaik sars CAN be fatal but not allways...and can only be spread by contact might be wrong though

Jim

screw all those middle-eastern and asain dictators with nuclear weapons, sars is the end of the world.........

strawberry

Don't be silly, there's nothing to worry about besides vacations being wrecked. The mortality rate is only 4%, so you're only likely to die from it if your immune system is weak already. They haven't been able to prove that it's air borne, so its probably being spread by the bazillions of cockroaches that live in Hong Kong's skankier housing estates. That and their appartments are about the size of an ensuite bedroom and you'll see why it's spreading quickly. No worries.

Nick_oliveri

Ok, the twelve monkeys thing was a little bit off the rails.As i said this virus has mutated already.Theres a fair chance that this will go airbourne.Dont blame me WHEN THE WIND CALLS YOUR NAME.lol


So were all agreed then?Who cares if we all die?I aint afraid.At least not this week.Probably next week when if seething in agony cuz someone with it sneezed and sent it airboune.

Mmmmm turbulance.

D-Generate

Pfft, the media has caused hysteria yet again. The reason it is spreading in S.E Asia so much is that everyone lives in such tight confined spaces, the same reason bubonic plague spread so much in Europe, but we learned our lesson. However no matter how bad SARS is, it will not have the mortality rate of the bubonic plague.

Just for those who will not get to sleep over SARS, Ebola Zaire is presently ravaging the Republic of Congo and it doesn't look like it is slowing down. 140 cases, 123 deaths. Mortality rate of 87%, no cure, and no amount of medical assistance helps you survive. Enjoy you SARS scared people

Neither bother me too much.

Jim

im off to my bunker, **** u guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

tribble

so its probably being spread by the bazillions of cockroaches that live in Hong Kong's skankier housing estates

Hong Kong doesn't really go in for housing estates, rather apartments - but you're right about skanky, have you seen some of the hostels/hotels in Mirador/Chungking mansions on Nathan Road?...


tribble

G

Originally posted by strawberry
Don't be silly, there's nothing to worry about besides vacations being wrecked. The mortality rate is only 4%, so you're only likely to die from it if your immune system is weak already. They haven't been able to prove that it's air borne, so its probably being spread by the bazillions of cockroaches that live in Hong Kong's skankier housing estates. That and their appartments are about the size of an ensuite bedroom and you'll see why it's spreading quickly. No worries.

I thought you had to have antibodies to beat a virus? There's a 4% mortaility rate but the other 96% are still lying in hospital sick as dogs - they're certainly not cured and heading home for a burger. And the virus is airborne, the medics are not wearing those masks for fun.

I'm heading out for a mask :ninja:

Lump

Ah well, I;ve had a good life..... Bring it on...... WOO HOO Yippee KIIII A MUTHA FúCKA




John

Nick_oliveri

I tolds yall,all yall.Soon i will be sharing my insights with the likes of jimi hendrix and all the other dead hippies who scan the ccosmos for god looking for what he forgot.Uh-oh i sneezed.IT COULD BE THE SYMPTOMS OF THE FLU.Or so u think.Time to smoke a bong with the black hooded one with the skelitalised face.



Snoochie boochies,yippie ki ay!

DriftingRain

I thought you had to have antibodies to beat a virus?

In bacterial cases you need antibodies to fight them off hince the immunizations given as a child. But a virus just envades, infects the white blood cell, multiplies, bursts out and goes on along the same path. That is why it sooo hard to find a cure for AIDS/HIV. But the CDC I have heard has been hard at work on this SARS thingy...Who knows I am also with D-Generate. The media always has a way to cause mass hysteria.:rolleyes:

Cabaal

No matter how deadly a virus is there's always going to be a small % of people in the world that are imune to it, there's a few people in the world that can't catch Aids for excample.

So it won't kill everyone...

seamus

It certainly won't wipe out the entire planet. 4% at most. Which is still 240,000,000 people. :eek:

It's quite similar to the flu epidemic in the 20's. Highly contagious, a cure/defence almost unknown. It mostly spreads in run down or highly cramped conditions - why China is the worst hit.

I think it's possible that hundreds of thousands may eventually be dead from this, but we have so much more experience/knowledge of quarantine/sanitisation methods now than back in the 20's, that eventually it can be kept under control, with less devastation. As others have pointed out, there are more fatal diseases that are just as infectious, and yet we're all still here, so I don't think there's much to stress about. I also seriously doubt that it's airborne to any great extent. 2(?) people have come back to Ireland with the virus, and yet there have been no cases of people contracting the disease from them (while in Ireland). So it's airborne life is short, at best. Many virii have great difficulty living outside of an organism (HIV for example), and just because a virus is infectious, doesn't necessarily make it 'tougher' than other virii.

As an aside, I find it interesting that on Sky News (and most other channels), the Iraqi War took precedent, whereas SARS was usually a footnote in each bulletin. In one case, we have a war being fought thousands of miles away, and in the other we have a potentially fatal disease, which has already made its way all around the world. Yet the news channels are still only interested in the most ratings-friendly news.

G

Originally posted by DriftingRain
In bacterial cases you need antibodies to fight them off hince the immunizations given as a child. But a virus just envades, infects the white blood cell, multiplies, bursts out and goes on along the same path.

I was being rhetorical. Of course you need antibodies. How do you think you get rid of a cold or flu? - the virus doesn't just give up and die, you develop antibodies to stop it multiplying. Immunizations work by injecting a small amount of dead virus into your system which then develops the antibodies.

The media always has a way to cause mass hysteria.:rolleyes:

Mass hysteria? The families of the Hong Kong Special Olympics team are staying in Bray, Wicklow. Way too close for comfort for me - I'd like to keep my health thanks.

Lump

Apparently it'll take two to three years to find an antibiotic to cure/fight it off according to some doctor type on the TV and thats if they have a really big medical team devoted just to curing this......

Like I say, we have to die sometime..


John

daveirl

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Nick_oliveri

If there is a need(whitch there is not)for all to be scared to take heed to the impending doom of our new little airbourne friend.Watch KILLER BUG,MONDAY@9'o clock,channel 4.THis is the new age,welcome to our polititions and wealthy scapegoat,the chemical and the biological,welcome to war with north korea,welcome to the horrible pictures you dont want to see because our people like to make money from death.There will be no more morals.In my opinion america or japan or russia,germany created this little killing machine.WHY HAVENT ITS ORIGINS BEEN QUESTIONED?:ninja:

Hobbes

Have you thought about seeing a doctor yourself? You may have an infection or something else. The doctor would be able to help you out. Just explain what you wrote here.


Btw, 12 monkeys = total fiction.

maxheadroom

Originally posted by daveirl
Small amount of weakened virus. That's why some people get sick when they get immunised.

Not necessarily - for instance, the Hepatitis B vaccine (given to all healthcare workers and health sciences students) only contains the outer protein coat of the virus and none of the infectious genetic material.

G

Nevermind that, if the bastid breaks out over here, we'll all pay for it, wether you catch it or not. :mad:

Moriarty

Originally posted by Hobbes
Have you thought about seeing a doctor yourself?

Ahh.. but your GP is one of the most at risk of contracting - and hence spreading - sars. Theres food for thought as your sitting in the waiting room along with all the other coughing, sneezing folks.


(/me sits back and giggles quietly to himself)

GuanYin

Ok, there has been an awful lot of crap posted about SARS in the media over the past few weeks and even more here about the general nature of infection and such.

This is why there should be some sort of watchdog when it comes to scientific or medical journalism. Too often people are given sensationalised information that is usually wrong in every sense.

Originally posted by Nick_oliveri
Ok, the twelve monkeys thing was a little bit off the rails.

Not least because the film is based on a 1962 French film called La (or is it Le?) Jetée. Something you seem to have overlooked...

Originally posted by D-Generate
Pfft, the media has caused hysteria yet again. The reason it is spreading in S.E Asia so much is that everyone lives in such tight confined spaces, the same reason bubonic plague spread so much in Europe, but we learned our lesson. However no matter how bad SARS is, it will not have the mortality rate of the bubonic plague.

Just for those who will not get to sleep over SARS, Ebola Zaire is presently ravaging the Republic of Congo and it doesn't look like it is slowing down. 140 cases, 123 deaths. Mortality rate of 87%, no cure, and no amount of medical assistance helps you survive. Enjoy you SARS scared people

Neither bother me too much.

For the most part, nail on the head here. SARS is spreading in Asia due to a number of factors. Population congestion, weakened immune systems (the high prevalence of food bourne infections, such as H. Pylori in Asia may compromise the immune system for other infections), lower standards of sanitation and climate.

Most of the factors involved would not be such an issue in this country. Another point worth noting is that the prevalence of the disease in Asia is not anything like other diseases such as Malaria and the aforementioned Ebola outbreak in Congo.

On an aside, there is a treatment for Ebola. Interferon couples with plasma infusion/replacement therapy has lead to the recovery of infected victims in at least 3 cases. However it depends on how early the virus is treated.

Originally posted by G

I thought you had to have antibodies to beat a virus? There's a 4% mortaility rate but the other 96% are still lying in hospital sick as dogs - they're certainly not cured and heading home for a burger. And the virus is airborne, the medics are not wearing those masks for fun.

Its still a small percentage of the at risk population that are infected with SARS. Its nothing like smallpox for contagion or Ebola for mortality. The virus was controlled to a greater degree in Toronto and I do believe medical facilities and sanitation/hygene have alotto do with infection.

Originally posted by DriftingRain

In bacterial cases you need antibodies to fight them off hince the immunizations given as a child. But a virus just envades, infects the white blood cell, multiplies, bursts out and goes on along the same path. That is why it sooo hard to find a cure for AIDS/HIV. But the CDC I have heard has been hard at work on this SARS thingy...Who knows I am also with D-Generate. The media always has a way to cause mass hysteria.

Ok, a virus doesn't "just invade white blood cells". HIV infects white blood cells, but its not a general mechanism of infection for all viruses. If it was wiping out viral diseases might be remotely possible.

Originally posted by daveirl
Small amount of weakened virus. That's why some people get sick when they get immunised.

Apparently if you were to vaccinate for Smallpox it would result in thousands of deaths from the vaccine

Not weakened virus (as was pointed out elsewhere). There are many vaccine candidates in viruses. These range fom proteins on the outer surface, to genetically modified viruses with certain functions for replication/invasion deactivated. To all intents and purposes there are not the same virus as the pathological strain, but they allow the immune system an advantage over them.

Incidently, the last used smallpox vaccine was a related strain (variola minor) of the more fatal (variola major) smallpox strain that infects humans. There is a risk of mortality to those with compromised immune systems or pregnant women. Among normal healthy individuals the mortality rate of the vaccine wouldn't approach thousands.


People, Chill out.

You are more likely to die from stress due to all the scare-mongering Sky News does than dying of SARS.

Nick_oliveri

Alrite many of you probably think by now that ive got leprachuans running around my head and i start fires and crap.Not in the least.I dont think much and when i do i think too much and go a bit too far.Im tryna use my head and think whats gonna happen in the next few years.I aint afraid of anything.I dont really care about anything.I got my pc and thats it.All i need.For the moment i started this thread cuz of the esculating situation.Not for to question my sanity.I apreciate all the replys and hope to be getting more in the future.

G

Originally posted by sykeirl
People, Chill out.

You are more likely to die from stress due to all the scare-mongering Sky News does than dying of SARS.

Forget about the mortality rate and how pissed off you'd be if you caught sars for a second - if the bug breaks out over here it will wreck our already downwards economy. I'm not listing all the damage it would do, that's obvious, look at Hong Kong.

You can do your chilling out when you get home from the welfare office.

seamus

Originally posted by G
Forget about the mortality rate and how pissed off you'd be if you caught sars for a second - if the bug breaks out over here it will wreck our already downwards economy. I'm not listing all the damage it would do, that's obvious, look at Hong Kong.

You can do your chilling out when you get home from the welfare office.

G, we're a relatively tiny population, with a low density over our country. Since SARS isn't airborne yet, it has very little chance of 'breaking out'. Think about the whole flu thing during the winter. At most, only half of all people actually get it, and this is for a virus much more contagious than SARS, and presumably much more resistant to being outside the body (but I'm not sure of that one).

To alter sykeirl's statement, if it 'breaks out' over here, then there'll be far more damage done due to scaremongering by the media (and it's not just Sky, the Indo has gone a bit crazy today) then by the actual risk posed by SARS in the country.

I wouldn't start putting thermal imaging scanners (how much of an awful diagnosis system is that?!) into your office just yet.

TacT

lol, when ya get a chance, might I recommend "28 Days Later"

I look forward to the next thread after you've watched the flick

Thorbar

You should watch Resident Evil as well. /me evisions nick wrapping himself in cling film and suffocating.

I'm living in Boston and every morning on the T into work there's some ****ing coughing his lungs out. This was me the last two weeks seeing as I had a nasty cough . When I went to the doctor after I started coughing up blood the first thing he asked me had I traveled recently. I was getting ready for the containment team to burst out in yellow suits and kidnap me ala Monsters Inc.

Also nick I know its pedantic to comment about grammer over the internet (esp when I'm a dyslexic myself) but is there any chance you could put two spaces after your full stops its really hard to read your posts when you don't.

G

...if it 'breaks out' over here, then there'll be far more damage done due to scaremongering by the media (and it's not just Sky, the Indo has gone a bit crazy today) then by the actual risk posed by SARS in the country.

I don't think you understand me - I'm not disputing this, you're very right in saying it, but it's partly for this very reason that we should be worried.

An outbreak of sars in Ireland would destroy businesses esp. tourism trade. Hotels in Hong Kong have 5% occupancy and airlines will close. Obviously the cost to Ireland would be a fraction by comparison, but you're still talking jobs and 100's of millions.

Nick_oliveri

I heard that it came from a space on a comet.WHO NAMEd tHIS VIRUS AND WHY SARS??Im really freakin out.i need weed freed!!!Mmmm balancing!!!!

amp

Ok Nick, I think you're now crossing the line into the Land of Trolls. I suggest you maybe take up a hobby, like Counter-Strike where you can use that immensely enthusiastic mind of yours to finding a server that lets one use wallhacks or something.

In other words, calm down.

maxheadroom

Originally posted by Nick_oliveri
WHO NAMEd tHIS VIRUS AND WHY SARS??

SARS = Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome

Nick_oliveri

Thanx maxheadroom.I actually heard that sars came from a comet that just bypassed the atmosphere(the sun).Cmon we aint the only planet.Covernment population control,whatever,give me ur opinion on what u think.Byers

daveirl

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Nick_oliveri

Sorry if i confuse,im gettin drunk with my homie.lol.The newspaper the sun.sorry about the confusion.Luv yas

daveirl

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Nick_oliveri

im looking for opinion not fact.I said i heard it came from a comet.I seen this coming since the start.



Bah humbug

Clintons Cat

Meanwhile in Africa...

...Malaria a treatable illness kills 80,000 people a year in uganda alone...

Link

Nick_oliveri

No offence but i think people in their own country should worry about themselves.Not that im worried.Wait ......yep.

Clintons Cat

none taken.

So just how many people have died of SARs in the country you in at?

Nick_oliveri

Im in Ireland.No deaths no cases.But theres Minimal(if any) screening for the planes that come from infected areas

PiE

Ahhh Ebola... the sleepness nights that feckin' thing gave me after I read about it in X-Factor magazine many moons ago.

Where's me bubble gone to...

strawberry

Originally posted by tribble
Hong Kong doesn't really go in for housing estates, rather apartments - but you're right about skanky, have you seen some of the hostels/hotels in Mirador/Chungking mansions on Nathan Road?...


tribble

I know, but don't know what you would call Hong kong's equivalent of housing estates with apartment instead of houses, they're sort of like the HLM in France, but mankier and crawling with gangsters. Who will hopefully be wiped out by this bug. You see, it's all going to work out ok.

Nick_oliveri

Thats given me an idea,What if we make a virus that affects the brain cells of those with no morals so that we can wipe them out.Hell yeah!!!

Is anyone scared of this?

maxheadroom

Originally posted by Clintons Cat
Meanwhile in Africa...

...Malaria a treatable illness kills 80,000 people a year in uganda alone...

Link

The problem with that is that while malaria is treatable, it isn't cureable, and to really deal with the problem effectively, you need to get rid of the mosquitos, and then you run into draining and sanitation...

And then you run info drug resistant malaria, and people taking combination therapies, and perople having psychiatric episodes with mefloquine... its a whole nasty problem...

And then you can consider that people with thassaelemeas (spelled incorrectly) have a higher resistance to malaria, so they live longer at the moment, but then they die because their red b lood cells are more fragile...

Nick_oliveri

6% chance of dying with sars.Damn i dont care anymore,thats the same as pneumonia.Ha!

Pepe LeFrits

Some people here definately have a colourful literary ability. I suggest you apply for the job at the Sun. Think of the wonderful newsheaders you could come up with.

"KILLER EPIDEMIC OF BIBLICAL PORPORTIONS SWEEPS THE GLOBE! NOBODY IS SAFE! RUN FOR THE HILLS OR YOU WILL DIE HIDEOUSLY!"

And today, the WHO lifted the whatever it was they had on Toronto. Excellent, just in time for my nice 3 month holiday in.. Toronto. Apparently SARS is under control in everywhere but China now. Bah, humanity escapes the apocalypse again. Maybe next year :rolleyes:

// edit - fs, wrong button

Clintons Cat

The problem with that is that while malaria is treatable, it isn't cureable, and to really deal with the problem effectively, you need to get rid of the mosquitos, and then you run into draining and sanitation...

And then you run info drug resistant malaria, and people taking combination therapies, and perople having psychiatric episodes with mefloquine... its a whole nasty problem...

And then you can consider that people with thassaelemeas (spelled incorrectly) have a higher resistance to malaria, so they live longer at the moment, but then they die because their red b lood cells are more fragile...

Absolutely,but the point i was making was that in comparision to the numbers of deaths from sars,malaria an (unnewsworthy) disease kills many more.
Thanks for the info though,

GuanYin

Originally posted by kaids
Bah, humanity escapes the apocalypse again. Maybe next year :rolleyes:

Hehe
Hate to say I told ya so!