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Red Hat 9 !!

Kai · 2003-03-24 22:57:28

http://slashdot.org/articles/03/03/24/1947249.shtml?tid=110&tid=163 Apparently red hat 9 will be available March 31 for download. Quick out of the blocks or not, wonder will it be much different to 8.0 or is it just for the sake of not calling it 8.1

24-03-2003 10:57pm

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http://slashdot.org/articles/03/03/24/1947249.shtml?tid=110&tid=163

Apparently red hat 9 will be available March 31 for download.
Quick out of the blocks or not, wonder will it be much different to 8.0 or is it just for the sake of not calling it 8.1

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#2 24-03-2003 11:08pm

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FYI, it's only available from that date for paid subscribers. It goes to retail and the ftp servers from April 7.

adam

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#3 24-03-2003 11:13pm

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hrmmm ...in the ol' days it would haven 8.x but marketing people rule now, no ?

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#4 25-03-2003 12:31am

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Surely they can't prevent subscribers putting it up for free download?

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#5 25-03-2003 11:36am

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Surely they can't prevent subscribers putting it up for free download?

I doubt they'd say anything unless one of their mirrors or a large agency did it.

adam

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#6 25-03-2003 11:43am

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It's probably wrong to exploit the fact that Red Hat won't stop you putting the distro onto an FTP server.... since techies (techies like people who read this board) have jobs that depend on the software being sold.

</guilt trip>

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#7 25-03-2003 12:28pm

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The thought of a 'Warez' (used loosely) version of GPL'ed software is strange too.

The move direct to 9.0 skillping the normal point releases of RedHat is interested. Obviously they see a commercial benefit in bring their major number in line with that or Mandrake. (Many users might see something they might commonly think of as "Linux 9" as being better than "Linux 8")

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#8 25-03-2003 3:54pm

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Its skipping because RedHat 9 doesnt retain backwards binary compatability from 8. Nothing special

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#9 27-03-2003 11:06am

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And apparently the main reason for a break in backwards compatibility is that they want to incorporate NPTL (Native POSIX Thread Library). This is a major improvement in threading scalability, speed, POSIX compliance, yadda yadda. And RedHat 9 folks get to be guinea pigs.

Personally, I'm looking foward to trying it out - some major steps have been made towards full POSIX compliance. I'm afraid I don't know exactly how much of it has been backported to 2.4, but some of the drool-worthy possibilities: inter-process synchronisation primitives, core dumps which dump all threads (not just the active thread), correct signal handling...

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#10 02-04-2003 10:07am

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Just installed it there - no great changes on the surface. It looks very similar to Redhat 8.0. The install is a bit more polished and it's very intuitive. It's a bit slow on my PII 233 though!

The first fix for RH9 came out this morning - for VSFTP (very secure ftp)

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#11 04-04-2003 9:28am

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i have it burned to disc now and i shall be installing it tonight.

In regards to the winmodems problem any fixes on it yet.

Aslo i need a good free tutorial site i can get various tutorials off for red hat linux 9.

i wanna be able to do interesting things with it.

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#12 04-04-2003 9:42am

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Both Connexant/Rockwell and Lucent Winmodems have Linux drivers available these days.

If you have a USR, tough.

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#13 04-04-2003 12:25pm

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Originally posted by Typedef
If you have a USR, tough.

Add Broadcom to that evil side of the WinModem list. They kinda sort might have some drivers that may work with one or two specific long since obsolete versions of a RedHat kernel, but that's no bloody use to anyone.

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#14 08-04-2003 1:49pm

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Anyone installed it yet? I'm just burning the ISO images now, and should be installing it this evening. Wish me luck. I'll need it with my graphics card.:(

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#15 08-04-2003 2:38pm

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Balls! Well, that was a waste of 3 CDs. Got a full 30 seconds into the installation before it gave up. It claimed to recognise my gfx card, but couldn't start the XWindow server. End of story.

Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish!:mad:

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#16 08-04-2003 2:41pm

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What sort of graphics card do you have? Post information.

Reinstall without starting X as default, then tweak your XF86Config-4 file.

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#17 08-04-2003 2:50pm

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I think most of the relevant info is here. You may recall me having the same issue with Madrake, Slackware and FreeBSD a couple of months back, but at least those distros made some sort of effort at installing themselves.

When you say "without starting X as default", you mean the text-only install? It'll just delay the inevitable I fear, as when it comes to getting linux to date my ugly sister of a gfx card, it's just going to cancel at the last minute again.

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#18 08-04-2003 3:05pm

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Yeah just looking at that thread.

(II) LoadModule: "radeon"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o
(II) Module radeon: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 4.0.1
Module class: XFree86 Video Driver
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5
(II) LoadModule: "ati"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o
(II) Module ati: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 6.4.7
Module class: XFree86 Video Driver
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5
(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o
(II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver
ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.3
(II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
(II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.4.7) for chipsets: ati, ativga
(II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI),
ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK (PCI),
ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 SM (AGP),
ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP),
ATI Rage 128 Pro PP (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PR (PCI),
ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TL (AGP),
ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TR (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI),
ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP),
ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)
(II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
ATI Radeon VE QY (AGP), ATI Radeon VE QZ (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility LW (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility LX (AGP),
ATI Radeon Mobility LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility LZ (AGP),
ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 BB (AGP),
ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP)

Your error was to load the ati module and the radeon module.
I haven't done ati cards before, but, I doubt you should be loading drivers for the ATI Rage at all.

Also.

(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONInitVisualConfigs failed (depth 8 not supported). Disabling DRI.

Don't load dri. From the logfile you posted in that thread, it looks like X had started sucessfully.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=766489

Perhaps it was a window manager issue.

In any case, (not that I remember), but, Red Hat's installation routine should give you the option not to start X on boot.

Check around for that.

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#19 08-04-2003 3:10pm

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Cheers, Typedef.
What should I do to tell it not to install any Rage etc. drivers ?

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#20 08-04-2003 3:11pm

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Got me mate.

I'm assuming RH9 allows you not to start X as default.
At least 7.3 (the last time I did an install of that) certainly did.

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#21 08-04-2003 6:18pm

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Gave it a go in text mode, but there was some leftover crap on the partition - did my head in trying to remove/overwrite it.
For the craic I threw Mandrake 9.0 at it again, and by some inexplicable miracle it installed with the generic vesa driver with a nice 1024x768x16mill colours display. No recognition of the TV/out connection, naturally enough, but it's a major improvement. I can think of no reason why it would work now and not on any of the 5 previous occasions, but hey, not complaining.

Gone right off topic, so I'll stop there.

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#22 08-04-2003 7:31pm

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Try upping your colour depth to 24bpp then add
FbBpp 32 right under the colordepth option in your XF86Config-4 file.

That should give you 32 bit colour.

In any case I reckon the reason you weren't getting a proper display with Mandrake was because you were using both the Rage and the Radeon drivers.

So, try using juse the Radeon drivers that come with X.
You should see performance improvements in X.

Typedef.

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#23 11-04-2003 6:11pm

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Installed RH9 last week - failed to cog my graphics card properly and wouldn't display any resolution above 800x600! - on top of all that seems to need much more space than RH8. I'm back using RH8.

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#24 16-04-2003 11:49am

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Originally posted by spuddy
Installed RH9 last week - failed to cog my graphics card properly and wouldn't display any resolution above 800x600! - on top of all that seems to need much more space than RH8. I'm back using RH8.

What gfx card are you using? Kind of mad that a previous version would recognise your card but the new one not.

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#25 19-04-2003 3:41pm

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Originally posted by pickarooney
What gfx card are you using? Kind of mad that a previous version would recognise your card but the new one not.

its mad but true - its an ATI Mobility M1 (running on a laptop as you might well have guessed) - tried mucking about with all sorts of settings but with no luck - I needed linux running properly so a reinstallation of RH8 was essential but when I have more time I'll have another whack at 9.

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