What about...?

Agent7249

The people outside the range of the exchanges, by either a kilometer or two, will they ever see broadband. Im a person whos not far from 2 exchanges (I think im closer to the dooradolye one (Limerick)) And yet I dont qualify for broadband, Whats the point on bringing in broadband for the masses if the masses are confined to within a certain radius of the exchanges. If the Gorvernment would just open their eyes they wouldnt need to spend millions on a few hundred cables from some company whos greed is as big as their reputation (implying popular) because they could easily look around for bargains like a normal consumer would if they were buying a household product.

What if any companies will be coming into this country?, if and when the fibre ring is completed, because if were lookin at just two companies (main ones around the whole of Ireland) such as Eircom and Esat BT, what will happen when one of them goes bankrupt. We'll be left with yet another monopoly

thegills

There is supposed to be a new variant of DSL out soon for customers more than say 4km from the Xchange. It is delivered at the expense of quality I think.

tribble

I think im closer to the dooradolye one (Limerick

Firstly you are connected to only one exchange - the distance from any other exchange is irrelevent.

Besides, it isn't so much the distance from the exchange that counts but the lenght of copper used to connect you to it.
You may be 500meters from the exchange and be 10km of copper away.
Or you may be 10km by car away and only 5km by copper.

tribble

tribble

There is supposed to be a new variant of DSL out soon for customers more than say 4km from the Xchange. It is delivered at the expense of quality I think.

R DSL - Rate adaptive - not sure on the implemetation eircom will use - you'd best ask some of the guys in net comms

ando

from march you've gota be within 5.5km of an dsl enabled exchange to get radsl. From march eircom wont be selling adsl, although it will probably be known as adsl for convenience.

i'm 5.2km away from the exchange :eek: so fingers crossed

vac

i'm 5.2km away from the exchange

How exactly do you know that? Do you know where your exchange is located or is there a listings somewhere?

Can't seem to find my exchange

ando

The last time my isdn line went down I got the engineer to tell me how far I was from my local substation, and then how far the substation was to the exchange

Agent7249

I did post a second question :

What if any companies will be coming into this country?, if and when the fibre ring is completed, because if were lookin at just two companies (main ones around the whole of Ireland) such as Eircom and Esat BT, what will happen when one of them goes bankrupt. We'll be left with yet another monopoly

Agent7249

Anyone have an idea of any new companies coming into this country providing services?

spongebob

I have no idea of other companies coming in but you asked the wrong question. Let me rephrase it for you.

Q. Once the 19 fibre rings are completed and hopefully then lit, in 2004, will it be technically feasible to off other Broadband services in cities such as Limerick apart from those of Chorus Eircom and ESAT who already offer services in the City.

A. Absolutely. The City could set up a Telecoms company to sell ADSL or faster services over unbundled copper for example. A community co-op based around a local credit Union could do so . It would be wise to stick to data only services in this scenario....

There will be no more fibre rings unless the scenarios in the answer come to pass.....

M

iwb

Muck,
While I agree that cooperative telecomms is a great way to go about it, why wouldn't the likes of LEAP, IrishWISP or IBB for example hang some wireless gear in any of these towns when the rings are completed?
As far as I am aware, ESB Telecom and possibly Aurora will be available in some of the towns at least, so cheaper backbone networks for the last mile wireless guys. That plus the fiber bringing them closer to communities should make it a fairly attractive proposition, don't you think?

iwb

spongebob

Originally posted by iwb
Muck,
While I agree that cooperative telecomms is a great way to go about it, why wouldn't the likes of LEAP, IrishWISP or IBB for example hang some wireless gear in any of these towns when the rings are completed?
As far as I am aware, ESB Telecom and possibly Aurora will be available in some of the towns at least, so cheaper backbone networks for the last mile wireless guys. That plus the fiber bringing them closer to communities should make it a fairly attractive proposition, don't you think?
iwb

ESB/Aurora will provide the backhaul for all 19 rings apparently thats a done deal with the mysterious MSE ....one or both will be connected to all 19 rings to get them to Dublin and the government owned Global Crossing STM1's that are gathering moss up there...lit but unused.

I would be happy to see a commercial company coming in to a town but am of the mind that we would be better off in the long term if we resurrected the Groups Water scheme idea from the 1970s and 1980s in the form of Community Based Self Provisioning.

CBSP ... Irishwan would be the first example of this , you should have a look at it.

M

iwb

Well then, we are in complete agreement. I also think the community network is the best option for these towns. I just thought you were suggesting it was the only possibility.
The recent BMW Assembly expression of interest was the first real attempt to do something positive and fairly immediate for the rest of Ireland that I have seen. If this concept were to be used in towns other than the three that will win the grant money, it would help immensely, even or especially in towns where the rings are being built anyway.
Power to the people and all that.

iwb

sceptre

Originally posted by iwb
Power to the people and all that.

Absolutely - getting back to the old idea of people basically running services for themselves on lines they own, for the benefit of the people who are going to use them, at a price people will be able to afford

Call it communism? I couldn't give a damn what you call it as long as we can use it. It's not as if, based on past performance, people can rely on the telcos or government to take the bull by the horns and pull the finger out (now there's a mixed metaphor that I don't want to visualise)

MadsL

Any one have any information on who are these guys are...

[URL=http://]www.broadband.ie[/URL]

Is this part of the fibre ring project..T50 sounds like pretty heavyweight stuff...

dahamsta

Call it communism?

I'd be more inclined to call it socialism. If anything matches up with communism, it's Eircom. O'Reilly and Soros reclining in their dachas, etc?

adam

iwb

I think broadband.ie is part of Irish Toll Roads. Anyone know more?

spongebob

Originally posted by sceptre
Absolutely - getting back to the old idea of people basically running services for themselves on lines they own, for the benefit of the people who are going to use them, at a price people will be able to afford

Up to 1970 , in Ireland, running water was a town or city thing...some villages had it. Rural people and some village people either had rainwater runoff tanks or wells or both.

In the 1970s a massive effort was made to provide more or less all homes with running mains water. These were the locally owned Group Water Schemes.

Without the Group Schemes there would have been no tourist industry on the west coast as we know it now, there was no water for all those ensuites before they came into being.

CBSP was also behind the provision of local sources of loan finance such as Credit Unions since the 1960's.......anyone here think that they are a bad idea?

The original CBSP movement in Ireland was the Creamery and Agri Co-op movement which started around 100 years ago to give farmers a market for their milk.

This country has a long tradition of CBSP, why should it be any different when it comes to Internet.....unless you want me to help make O'Reilly(bart) richer than he already is. If so I''ll drop the subject.

M