IRELAND OFFLINE - MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!!

LegacyUser

Sorry about shouting but I think we are entitled to shout about this

On 29th August, we are holding a seminar in Dublin. It will be opened by Mary O'Rourke and we hope to have papers presented by ESAT, the ODTR and Eircom, followed by a
panel discussion with questions from the floor.

MO'R, ESAT and the ODTR have already agreed to support this - we will be contacting Eircom this week.

This is a *major* achievement for IrelandOffline and we will be seeking
everyone's support.

In view of this seminar coming up and a lot of other issues to be discussed,we will be having our Public Meeting on Thursday 19th July. Venue is yet to be finalised but it will be central Dublin, kicking off at 7:00 p.m. and aiming to finish about 9:30 p.m.

We hope to see as many people as possible at this meeting.

If you want to be kept informed on the details of these events, please join our mailing list if you have not already done so, as this is where most of the communications will be done.

You can do so on the Contact Us page at www.irelandoffline.com

Martin Harran
IrelandOffline



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dahamsta

Well done Martin. I'll start airing out the Eircon t-shirt straight away...

adam

LegacyUser

sounds good, shame i cant be there, its on a wednesday, some of us have to work

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
sounds good, shame i cant be there, its on a wednesday, some of us have to work </font>

We're aiming for 4:00 to 7:30 so that people can maybe get out of work a bit early.

Guys'n'gals this could be the making or breaking of IrelandOffline, we want at least 200 people there.

All you people who said "anything i can do to help...", now you can, just be there

Martin

LegacyUser

i dont know feicing shame, depends on were it is and how hard it is to get to

LegacyUser

well done AGAIN everybody,
I cant attend as I will be on holidays.
but I will be there in spirit.

Let them have it Martin.

LegacyUser

Great news, will be there.

LegacyUser

Great news folks. I'm also working but I intend asking to-morrow for a couple of days off and I intend to be there. I think that I'm already on the mailing list.

LegacyUser

Congrats on getting this organised with all the parties involved.

If its on late I hope to come along and if not, best of luck.

LegacyUser

Ditto
Ditto

80p.

LegacyUser

I'm a 3-hour drive from Dublin, but I'll do my best to be there.

LegacyUser

Just to clarify, when I said we need at least 200 there, I was referring to the seminar.

The public meeting on 19th July is also important but if you can only attend one event, make it the seminar

Martin

p.s. Thx for all the comments

LegacyUser

I'd just like to say that i'll be at that meeting and seminar and anything else like, it will take me about an hour and a half to get to Dublin and then god knows after that with traffic!...i think its a F***ING DISGRACE tho if EVERYONE on this board doesn't attend...its like everything else these days...your happy to complain but won't actually get off yer ass and do anything, i mean C'MON like!...ok i understand your in a job or the likes but this is plenty of notice to get time off an hour or 2 won't kill you and if you live in Dublin you really have no excuse!

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Bard

eeeeeexxcellent

In spirit is all well and good, but in body is better - we need bums on seats - ... as Martin said, more so for the seminar, but as Martin also said - those of you who pledged your support - here's how you can make good on that... BE there!... and make IrelandOffline's voice as damn loud as possible!

Naturally I'll be at both - both as an interested individual committed to helping out the cause - and as a committee member.

Having work is, of course, a perfectly fair excuse- but I'd ask all those who are *genuinely* interested in our goals and our efforts to try to get off early- you've got plenty of notice!!!

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Bard

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First motorbike in the bible ???? ---- a Triumph --- 'Yea verily Moses struck down the ammmanites and all the land heard the roar of his triumph !!!'

LegacyUser

I have to agree with you Farls, both of these are very important and a large turnout would be great. But as said we need a good turnout at the seminar at the very least; otherwise it may look like "Anne Corcoran" was right afterall.

Also I'm in Sligo, and unless something serious turns up I intend to be at both the meeting and the seminar. As I've said on numerous occasions my FULL support is with the committee, and having done so well in such a short time, a major turnout would add weight to their arguments.

LegacyUser

hehe...just a question anyone going thru or from cavan to it?...if so do you have a car load?...lol

Farls

LegacyUser

I will be at both these events.

LegacyUser

I'll certainly get my bum into the seminar, but sadly won't be able to make it for the public meeting with the ODTR -- I'll be in Germany on the 19th.

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Urban Weigl:
I'll certainly get my bum into the seminar, but sadly won't be able to make it for the public meeting with the ODTR -- I'll be in Germany on the 19th.</font>

Just to clarify:

19 July - public meeting of IOFFL group--ODTR will not be there (agenda coming soon).

29 August - seminar with ODTR, Esat, Mary O'Rourke, probably Eircom, and IOFFL

John

dahamsta

Martin,

What about other OLO's? Esat ain't the only one you know...

adam

LegacyUser

I doubt I'll be there for the public meeting, but I'll definatly be there for the seminar, I'll have to get off work for it although !

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dahamsta:
Martin,

What about other OLO's? Esat ain't the only one you know...

adam</font>

We're thinking about UTVInternet but don't want to have too many speakers there.

Any others you were thinking about ?

Martin

LegacyUser

DATES AND TIMES OF MEETINGS

There seems to be a little confusion on this:

Public Meeting
Thur 19th July
Start 7:00 p.m.
Finish 9:30 p.m.
Venue will be announced within next few days, will be central Dublin

Seminar
Wed 29th August
Start 4:00 p.m.
Finish 7:30 p.m.
Venue to be agreed but will be Dublin


Martin

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by o_donnel_abu:
We're thinking about UTVInternet but don't want to have too many speakers there.

Any others you were thinking about ?

Martin

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ntl showed a major interest in llu at the start

LegacyUser

I'm not saying i want them speaking at the meeting, but how comes AOL haven't had any interaction here at all?...from what i've heard both them and NTL run the most decent ISP's in the UK perhaps they might like a piece of the action here?

just a thought

Farls

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The right way, the wrong way and MY way!

Bard

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Farls:
I'm not saying i want them speaking at the meeting, but how comes AOL haven't had any interaction here at all?...from what i've heard both them and NTL run the most decent ISP's in the UK perhaps they might like a piece of the action here?

just a thought

Farls

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AOL did expand their ISP operation to Ireland (just Dublin I think) a year or two ago... no idea if it's still operating here though...

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Bard

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First motorbike in the bible ???? ---- a Triumph --- 'Yea verily Moses struck down the ammmanites and all the land heard the roar of his triumph !!!'

LegacyUser

NTL are a must, given the discretion they have been granted by the ODTR. If anyone needs to answer questions (apart from Eircom), NTL are the bunch. I'd look into it Martin.

80p.

dahamsta

Sorry Martin, busy day. Anyway, what I meant by that was the other ISP's, particularly the smaller ones. I haven't really thought about it very carefully, but I imagine the smaller ISP's would benefit quite a lot from LLU. But just off the top of my head I can think of a large number of possibilities:

Cable operators: NTL, Chorus, That Crowd In Waterford (who are *currently* running cable Internet services!

Companies not currently operating in Ireland: Tiscali, AOL, etc. (Point out to them the relative cost of sending a rep, and the big advantage to them of attending an ostensibly open and transparent meeting like this)

Wireless providers or wannabe providers

SME and corporate representative groups: Enterprise Ireland, local Enterprise Boards, etc.

Teleworker representative groups

Consumer representative groups

That sounds a lot bigger than it really is. If you get in touch - and I'll help any way I can - with as many organisations as you can, and explain to them just how important this meeting is to them, I guarantee they'll send a representative. And you don't have to put them all on the platform either - just ask them to come along and watch, or throw a question from the floor.

Most of this stuff is of course destined to be discussed at the first meeting in July, and I'll be there and I'll bring them up, but now is a good time to start firing invitations and "politcal material" together. More importantly, now is an *excellent* time to stick your toe in the water and see who's actually interested. Send out invitations and see who responds. RSVP

adam

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dahamsta:
That sounds a lot bigger than it really is. If you get in touch - and I'll help any way I can - with as many organisations as you can, and explain to them just how important this meeting is to them, I guarantee they'll send a representative. And you don't have to put them all on the platform either - just ask them to come along and watch, or throw a question from the floor.</font>

Great stuff, Adam, like to put a list together (with contact details/email if possible) and send it to me?

We are currently thinking about NTL and have alreday contacted SFA and IBEC/TIF asking for support.

Martin

Notes:
SFA is Small Firms Association
TIF is Telecommunications and Internet Federation, a sectoral group within IBEC



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dahamsta

I'll make a few phone calls over the next few days if I get a chance Martin. Any chance you could forward me a list of who've you've contacted already so we don't cross paths?

adam

LegacyUser

AOL have a POP in Dublin for registered users (as they have in nearly every city worldwide)..

Dublin operation is to service AOLUK

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LegacyUser

well ive said feic it, if i have to take a half day ill do it,
ill be there

LegacyUser

Thats the spirit Gladiator!

Farls

LegacyUser

Hey Guys,

could we team up for the seminar on the 29th so that not eveybody is bringing in her/his own car?
Maybe petrol costs could be split as well.

I am looking for/offering a lift from Athlone....

Looking forward to your replies,

disConnected

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LegacyUser

I was just wondering if you could rope in some TV program to film it something like 20/20 or sumit i think alot of people who own PCs and go online still arent aware of all the bull thats going on in the telco industry.It would be a good way of raising alot more than 200 people for the seminar.Only problem is id say Eircom wouldnt allow it, to be publicly exsposed like that would be more than even they could handle.

Stone

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LegacyUser

I'd be more than happy to film the proceedings, if allowed that is, whatever the committee says that is, will i bring my camera with me?

Farls

Bard

I'm sure Elana, as PR Officer, will give TV3 and RTÉ's current affairs departments a shout about it... from my point of view I'd say there's no harm in bringing your camera, Farls... will what it records be of broadcast quality, in case the TV news types don't show?

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Bard

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I've got a plan... and it's as HOT... AS MY PANTS!!!" - Lord Flashheart.

Bard

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stonemason:
Only problem is id say Eircom wouldnt allow it
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It's our event, not Eircom's. They don't get to "allow" or "disallow" anything... I believe they intend to participate and they should know full well that common sense would dictate that there would have to be some sort of media coverage at it...

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Bard

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I've got a plan... and it's as HOT... AS MY PANTS!!!" - Lord Flashheart.

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LegacyUser

Have to check and see if the camera is being used or not that day cuz normally we have 2 cameras that are very good video quality, its the family business so to speak. But seemingly one of them is a bit "sick", so i'll have to find out whats being done that day otherwise, i'll not know until monday wheater it will be available or not.

If its available i'll bring it with me.

Farls

Dustaz

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stonemason:
I was just wondering if you could rope in some TV program to film it something like 20/20 (edited 14-07-2001).]</font>

I know the producer of 20/20, I can have a word with him if someone mails me contact details for ioffl.

LegacyUser

goto http://www.irelandoffline.com and all the details are there, if not then email one of the committee members

this is the kind of thing needed like, if everyone used their contacts/skills to help this thing along.

Farls

LegacyUser

Bard i reckon the Eirom rep will go down with something nasty the day of the meeting .

Stone

The Sweeper

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bard:
It's our event, not Eircom's. They don't get to "allow" or "disallow" anything... I believe they intend to participate and they should know full well that common sense would dictate that there would have to be some sort of media coverage at it...

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While I agree that it's very much IOffL's event, I have to say I don't believe for two seconds that the eircom rep will allow themselves be filmed. Absolutely they can't dictate what you do at your event, but they can decide not to participate. We can't kidnap them and make them answer the questions... hmmm, now there's a thought...

I think that if you get 20/20 or some crowd like that then you have to inform eircom in advance that you're bringing them. Then if they (eircom) refuse to participate you may even get a story out of the fact that they backed out once they knew the TV people would be there. If you just have your own camera there, I'd say you need to be prepared to switch it off if they threaten to walk out.

Have you invited journalists from the national papers to this? (Is that an obvious question? Sorry if it is.)

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LegacyUser

I will be there to represent an area that netiher IrelandOffline or the ISPs do.
Namely the tech ISP engineer.
You know, that person that you all blame for managments decisions. That person that only gets noticed when something goes wrong, not when a whole system is upgraded so seemlessly that the customer isn't aware. That person that has to deal with script kiddies and idiots who think they understand how the whole show is put together simply because they have managed to install a network interface on their Win2K machine automagically.

I will be there to represent the silent tech...

jd

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bongo:

I will be there to represent the silent tech...</font>

Not too silent in the pub C are ye
jd

LegacyUser

Anyone have a location yet for the seminar on the 29th August yet ?

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lemming:
Anyone have a location yet for the seminar on the 29th August yet ?</font>

Should be settled in the next few days.

John M

DeVore

When the middle of August rolls round contact me and I'll stick up a permo-banner on all Boards.ie boards for the event.

Just be sure you want a load of angry gamers there

DeV.

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DeVore:
When the middle of August rolls round contact me and I'll stick up a permo-banner on all Boards.ie boards for the event.

Just be sure you want a load of angry gamers there

DeV.</font>

how will we tell the difference

LegacyUser

my car's knackered (like my connection) but i want to go o the seminar!!!
anyone passing by Clonmel?
let me know...ok