these boards are way too slow now (NT)

Blitzkrieger

nt

DeVore

Why oh why do people insist on blaming the server if their game or website or ubb is slow/not responding.

It could be anything from your machine to your ISP to the general internet.

This boards server is extremely fast for me from home, moderate to slow from work because we share a single ISDN line. At 3:30 it crawls because america wakes up and from Indigo its pants because Indigo has atrocious upstream connectivity through Alter.Net

Its not always the end server, in fact its almost never the end server unless its a p60 or something.

DeV.

Hobbes

It's horribly slow for me, but I think there is a lot of messing going on at the moment.

As I try from different locations and I get varying speeds.

I heard two days ago a major ISP got hit with a cool DoS attack which messed up some of the Ultima Online Servers.

Coyote

The boards run on a P60

Dazzer

Its Eircom. Over the last few weeks Ive noticed the whole net getting slower and slower.

Lucutus

lol...

...yeah, it's all Eircom's fault, a little Irish ISP is tearing apart, slowing down and generally breaking the whole internet.


pwease... *shakes head*

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Lucutus of Borg

bubbles

Resistance is futile....

DeVore

If you find the boards slow (and I'm getting sub 5-sec response times to pages) then do this...

Go to a dos box and type:
tracert www.boards.ie

Copy the resultant mass of gobbledegook and post it here.

That way I can see whats causing your lag.

DeV.

Stephen

Ok, the first couple of hops got cut off by the windows DOS box. I'm using Esat no limits - speeds today seem fine but yesterday it was a bit manky.

  4   121 ms   140 ms   130 ms  fe1-0-0.border0.dublin.esat.net [193.120.12.46]

  5   169 ms   137 ms   119 ms  fe1-0-0.border4.dublin.esat.net [193.120.12.76]

  6   272 ms   200 ms   205 ms  s5-0-1.nyc4-cr4.bbnplanet.net [4.1.76.105]
  7   212 ms   216 ms   206 ms  p2-0.nyc4-nbr2.bbnplanet.net [4.0.3.5]
  8   217 ms   217 ms   219 ms  p2-1.vienna1-nbr2.bbnplanet.net [4.0.3.125]
  9   206 ms   223 ms   209 ms  pos8-0-0.BR1.TCO1.ALTER.NET [137.39.23.13]
 10   234 ms   220 ms   238 ms  111.ATM2-0.XR2.TCO1.ALTER.NET [146.188.160.78]
 11   581 ms   612 ms   544 ms  292.ATM3-0.TR2.DCA8.ALTER.NET [152.63.32.218]
 12   495 ms   509 ms   550 ms  115.ATM7-0.TR2.ATL1.ALTER.NET [146.188.138.189]

 13   242 ms   239 ms   257 ms  298.ATM7-0.XR2.ATL1.ALTER.NET [146.188.232.109]

 14   411 ms   336 ms   236 ms  194.ATM8-0-0.GW3.ATL1.ALTER.NET [146.188.232.125
]
 15   227 ms   236 ms   241 ms  interland2-gw.customer.ALTER.NET [157.130.70.234
]
 16   395 ms   357 ms   345 ms  216.25.127.162
 17   381 ms   378 ms   338 ms  [url="http://www.boards.ie"]www.boards.ie[/url]  [216.247.239.48]

Trace complete.

While it was tracing, it delayed for a long time at the 16th hop.

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DeVore

I said:

At 3:30 it crawls because america wakes up and from Indigo its pants because Indigo has atrocious upstream connectivity through Alter.Net

Now look at this line from your traceroute.

10 234 ms 220 ms 238 ms 111.ATM2-0.XR2.TCO1.ALTER.NET [146.188.160.78]
11 581 ms 612 ms 544 ms 292.ATM3-0.TR2.DCA8.ALTER.NET [152.63.32.218]

This means the ping times to the first were about the 230 mark, fairly acceptible, then you blow up to 5-600. Thats alter.nets fault.

If you use Iol you will get better connectivity because they dont go through the UK and the ATROCIOUS alter.net.
They got direct Dublin to NY.

Tom.



[This message has been edited by DeVore (edited 28-04-2000).]

DeVore

btw the delay at the 16th hop is typical because we protect ourselves from ping bombing and flooding by refusing pings in general. The first three sets of numbers are what you are looking for, they represent 1/1000th of a second response time.

DeV.

Dazzer

Bah Lucutus I meant Irish ISP's are getting slower due to Eircom not having enough bandwidth

Stephen

Ok, I just tried tracerouting the boards again tonight, @1.15 am using Esat no limits. It seems the number of hops has jumped from 17 to 24!

1 125 ms 128 ms 130 ms 194.145.128.239
2 127 ms 129 ms 107 ms hades.esatclear.ie [194.145.128.254]
3 134 ms 125 ms 121 ms serial3-0.cr17.dublin.esat.net [193.120.19.129]

4 125 ms 123 ms 116 ms fe1-0-0.border0.dublin.esat.net [193.120.12.46]

5 130 ms 111 ms 110 ms Dub-ar01.IE.EU.net [134.222.197.1]
6 138 ms 124 ms 129 ms Ldn-nr05.UK.EU.net [134.222.229.162]
7 130 ms 128 ms 127 ms Bwd-nr02.UK.EU.net [134.222.229.165]
8 174 ms 130 ms 128 ms Ledn-cr01.NL.EU.net [134.222.229.45]
9 215 ms 206 ms 228 ms Nyk-cr02.NY.US.EU.net [134.222.228.237]
10 284 ms 277 ms 279 ms Sfr-nr01.CA.US.EU.net [134.222.228.50]
11 287 ms 323 ms 345 ms Sjca-nr01.CA.US.EU.net [134.222.228.17]
12 314 ms 265 ms 268 ms sjc2-core1-fddi-3-0-0.atlas.digex.net [198.32.13
6.60]
13 1106 ms 289 ms 335 ms sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.50.1
34]
14 1084 ms 1805 ms 1110 ms sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.59.33
]
15 330 ms 334 ms 272 ms sfo2-core5-pos4-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.51.23
3]
16 288 ms 289 ms 271 ms sfo2-core4-pos6-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.48.17
]
17 314 ms 347 ms 350 ms dfw3-core4-pos5-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.48.65
]
18 315 ms 334 ms 344 ms dfw3-core3-pos7-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.48.12
9]
19 371 ms 373 ms 380 ms atl1-core5-pos5-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.48.21
]
20 435 ms 371 ms 379 ms atl1-core2-pos6-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.48.13
7]
21 289 ms 329 ms 281 ms atl2-core1-s1-0-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.50.21
0]
22 354 ms 366 ms 372 ms 209.49.169.250
23 362 ms 376 ms 491 ms 216.25.127.162
24 * 378 ms 363 ms www.boards.ie [216.247.239.48]

Trace complete.

Esat seem to be avoiding alternet now

(I'm not complaining or anything... just seeing if this is helpful to anyone)

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- Munch
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SoF Clan site

Kali

its all in your head.

black = quick.
white = slow.

funny icons = waste of bandwidth


[This message has been edited by Kali (edited 03-05-2000).]

DeVore

What you have to remember is the boards are over twice as popular as they were before. Before we were getting 100,000 page impressions a month. Now its 218,000 and rising at a fair rate.

The point is that the machine we are on is more then adequate to handle the load, what we need is for the Irish ISP's to improve their upstream bandwidth.

Previously the boards were hosted on a games server, which could well have been unable to support this level of activity. At the very least it would have affected ping times.

Also, we were at the mercy of Eircom. One flick of a switch and we are lost as a community. This way I'm hoping the advertisments will at least pay for the server (£4,000), once we sell some

If the boards are slow (and I dont think they are, I certainly rarely experience slowdowns too often), then be sure you are complaining to the right people. Your ISPs should be made aware of any problems like this you are having. It will affect all US browsing.

Tom.

DeVore

Nope Munch, check these lines in your trace.

13 1106 ms 289 ms 335 ms sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.50.1
34]
14 1084 ms 1805 ms 1110 ms sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.digex.net [165.117.59.33
]

Those are BIG assed spikes. Seems like digex are having a problem.

IOL have the best US connectivity btw.

Tom.

Asuka

I think the point is that the boards were really fast before the whole face changed (from black). It was commented almost immediately that they slowed down horribly after that.

Was the server changed to a P60 during this time?