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Some issues with new eircom DSL

p2p

From adslnow.ie

eircom has stated that their newly announced product will operate at speeds up to 512Kbps and will be available from March 2003.
However, the eircom press release leaves many questions unanswered. It states that it will be available at up to speeds of 512Kbps. What will be their starting speed, 128K/256K and does the target price of eur45 per month refer to their enrty level package or the top level package of 512Kbps?

The announced pricing can be misleading. This product is firmly targeted at the residential market so quoting prices ex.Vat can give the impression that the cost is less than it actually is. Feedback from ADSLnow! customers is that they want to know exactly what the end cost is to them.

Also there it is not clear what 'extras' will have to be added in order to get on-line with DSL. The press release refers to 'self install' or 'eircom install' versions. What will the user have to pay for the 'eircom install'? Is the DSL modem included in this price or is it a connection fee only?

Finally, this is an announcement of what eircom hope to deliver, not what they actaully are delivering as of from now. As those who have observed the broadband rollout in Ireland over the last few years will agree there have been many high aspirations on what broadband services will be available but poor realisation of those services.

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Boco

I think you are reading too much into the words "up to". Your 56k modem can reach speeds "up to" 56k/s, but I doubt if it ever has. Its one of those terms used to make sure people dont start complaining when their connection speed only reaches 400k (or whatever).

The advertising without VAT issue was discussed elsewhere on the forum.

BoneCollector

Its a product that will give you upto 512kbs
which mean you theoreticaly could achieve this with no gaurantees however he also stated he would not expect you to be getting any less than 256kbs.
its a single product not a 2 teer one.

Ardmore

Originally posted by p2p
However, the eircom press release leaves many questions unanswered. It states that it will be available at up to speeds of 512Kbps. What will be their starting speed, 128K/256K and does the target price of eur45 per month refer to their enrty level package or the top level package of 512Kbps?

The Press Release mentions that the new offering will be "Rate Adaptive". This means that, as line conditions deteriorate, the available speed will drop. People who are further from an exchange may only get 128Kb/s, while people closer may bet 512Kb/s.

They'll both pay the same price for the service. With the current i-Stream product, the people further away from the exchange won't get any service at all. It seems likely that many people who are currently failing the line test will be able to get this new product (if/when it see's the light of day).

Dustaz

This post is just FUD from adslnow's site. As they resell esats service, everything they say should be taken with a pinch of salt.

eircom has stated that their newly announced product will operate at speeds up to 512Kbps and will be available from March 2003.
However, the eircom press release leaves many questions unanswered. It states that it will be available at up to speeds of 512Kbps. What will be their starting speed, 128K/256K and does the target price of eur45 per month refer to their enrty level package or the top level package of 512Kbps?

See above answers for this

The announced pricing can be misleading. This product is firmly targeted at the residential market so quoting prices ex.Vat can give the impression that the cost is less than it actually is. Feedback from ADSLnow! customers is that they want to know exactly what the end cost is to them.

This smells of marketing spin. There is still no 'official' price, just a targeted one, hence eircom are perfectly legally allowed to say "45 ex vat" since they are not advertising. I severly doubt adslnow talked to their customers to ask about this.

Also there it is not clear what 'extras' will have to be added in order to get on-line with DSL. The press release refers to 'self install' or 'eircom install' versions. What will the user have to pay for the 'eircom install'? Is the DSL modem included in this price or is it a connection fee only?

Again there is no product as of yet and an idea of the eircom install cost is freely available at eircoms dsl website.

Finally, this is an announcement of what eircom hope to deliver, not what they actaully are delivering as of from now. As those who have observed the broadband rollout in Ireland over the last few years will agree there have been many high aspirations on what broadband services will be available but poor realisation of those services.

Yes, including much of the exact same thing from Esat, adslnow's provider.

This is just an oppurtunity for adslnow to knock thier competitors by using spin to disguise the fact that thier current offering represents bad value for money in comparison.

The really important issues such as Wholesale price, Availability and Capping arent even mentioned.

Im locking this as to me it seems like spin and nothing else. On this occaision i wont mind if someone starts a new post to challenge this

No reflection on you p2p, but please link to this sort of stuff and provide some personal opinion.

UTV and IBB and IrishWisp are allowed to skirt close to this line only because they provide a personal prescense on these boards. Notably, none of them engage in overly negative talk about thier competitors.