Philip Nolan - Eircom on Today FM shortly

David C

Anyone taping?

mike65

Just heard it and tapped most of it.
Richard Curran was presenting the show today, he did'nt think to ask how eircom could sudenly cut the price in half.

The main points regarded speed of deregulation - FRAICO in particluar, Nolan said boldly that the future was DSL not dail up, but if ppl wanted dail up then - sigh - ericom would provide FRIACO.

Very decent of them!

He had a few pops at EastBT.

Nolan said the DSL would not be guarenteed 512/128, ie speeds might vary depending on load but no lower than 256.

Nolan said in response to question about speed of opening up markets that Ireland/ericom was one of the best in Europe and that the government started deregulation late here.

Nolan said ppl choose to stay with eircom and Curran had'nt the wit to mention the success of utvip. This discussion needed Dave
to stick his oar in!

Nolan went on to say cheap pricing will hinder capital spending by ericom. He quote someone in the US telco industries that unbundling should be rolled back as it was undermining the invesment in infrastructure.

Mike.

David C

Originally posted by mike65
Nolan said the DSL would not be guarenteed 512/128, ie speeds might vary depending on load but no lower than 256.

They are saying this because it will be RADSL.. 512k RADSL is available as far as 512k ADSL usually goes, but any further than that from the exchange, the speed will be drop.

This is good, as Eircom won't be failing half as many people now. I would imagine alot of people will get speeds of 512k from RADSL anyway even though they failed the old ADSL test as they were way too stringent...
The difference now is that Eircom *want* people to get DSL now as flat rate has spoilt their per-minute party!

Cork

Nolan went on to say cheap pricing will hinder capital spending by ericom

He stressed this point & when asked about peoples internet bills would drop under FAIRCO - He sated that this was not necessarily so that some peoples bills would not fall.

Price is going to be a big issue.

PiE

Was there no-body from Esat, ComReg or anything thing there? How can they have a serious discussion without more than one party?

DeVore

Because Eircom have an advertising budget.

DeV.

ando

so is it march when the Radsl tests start ? I have isdn now, I want to know when I should downgrade and get the test applied

Delphi91

Originally posted by mike65
...Nolan said boldly that the future was DSL not dail up, but if ppl wanted dail up then - sigh - ericom would provide FRIACO...

God, don't strain yourself!!!!!

So, what about those of us who will not be able to get DSL due to where we live???

It would be interesting to see how many lines around the country WILL be able to get DSL if they wanted to. I have a feeling that this number won't be huge when compared to the total number of lines.

I live just on the outskirts of Limerick. My nearest exchange is down the road from me, but it's more than 5km away. Unless I move (which I don't forsee) or Eircom build another exchange closer to me (which is HIGHLY unlikely), I'm knackered.

For me, FRIACO is the only option.

And I think the same is true for many people around the country.

When Nolan comes out with a comment like that, it shows Eircoms attitude to it's customers.

Whoever gave him a PhD, should demand it back!!

Mike

aidan_dunne

Originally posted by Delphi91
For me, FRIACO is the only option.

And I think the same is true for many people around the country.

Same here. As I said in the past, DSL would be lovely to have but I could settle for FRIACO for the time being until I'm in range of an exchange or have a decent enough line to get it (and, of course, when the price is right! ). For the majority of people in this country, either through not being close enough to an exchange, living in a rural area or having a crap line, dial-up will continue to be the only way to get on-line for the foreseeable future.

It seems to me that everybody is suddenly trying to run when they haven't even learned to walk yet. Remember, folks, that we still do not have FRIACO. Everybody seems to be accepting that it will be here by June but who's to know what kind of spanners Eircom could throw in the works between this and then. When I can go online at any time of the day without having to watch the clock, then I'll relax and believe FRIACO is here to stay. Until then, I'm staying wary and on my toes.

Also, what is it with Nolan's (and Eircom's) sudden tone of resignation about FRIACO, i.e.

Originally posted by mike65
.....but if ppl wanted dail up then - sigh - ericom would provide FRIACO

I don't get it. He/they seem to be resigning themselves to the fact that they're going to have to provide FRIACO. Yet in the past Eircom have maintained an Ian Paisley-style "EIRCOM SAYS NO" stance on FRIACO. What has changed all of a sudden? This looks very, very suspicious to me. They seem to have this tone of resignation on the issue but, when it comes to the crunch, they'll probably set the wholesale price for it at something crazy like €50 or something. Maybe it's just me and my cynical mind, ingrained from years of being f**ked over by them, but I can't see them going down without a fight over this.

Time will tell, I guess.

Dinarius

It was one of the worst examples of business journalism I have heard in some time. The interviewer was hugely ill prepared and allowed Nolan (no wallflower) to walk all over him. As there was no competitor or specialist journalist in the studio, Nolan had it all his own way and made the most of it.

The issue is all about flat rate access NOT broadband. Most people do not use the net for heavy downloads/uploads. They just don't want to be crippled by the cost per minute charges.

Has anyone in Eircom had the wit to consider whether, if cheap flat rate dial-up were introduced, that most people (me included) would order a second line, giving those crooks another Euro16 + VAT per month in order to stop blocking the line? With ADSL at Euro45 (I can reclaim the VAT)I could now cancel my second line and, in effect, have ADSL for Euro29 after the saving I would make on my current costs.

Put another way, flat rate at, say, Euro15 per month, plus another Euro16 for the second line would be reasonable. Fat chance!

Privatising Eircom was a crime, but only Mary O'Rourke suffered for it. Pity.

dahamsta

It was one of the worst examples of business journalism I have heard in some time. The interviewer was hugely ill prepared and allowed Nolan (no wallflower) to walk all over him. As there was no competitor or specialist journalist in the studio, Nolan had it all his own way and made the most of it.

Why not complain?

dconway@todayfm.com

adam

Revoque

Yes I agree !

FRIACO and the likes have to be taken more seriously by all the comms.

The fact that Ireland is a largly rural community and the Gov. is promoting rural development and decentralisation more and more the fact is more business and home users are not going to be able to get DSL at least not for 2 years or so.

The fact that more and more uk comms and ISP's are offering flat rate dial up at speeds up to 128kps for as little as 9.95 sterling (a mini price war here too) a month show there is alarge market for it

Dinarius

dahamsta,

I just have! ;-)

dahamsta

Good stuff Dinarius, well done.

adam

Dinarius

Not a squeak from Today FM. Surprise, surprise!

D.

cherrio

To get back on topic, this was not a discussion. It was a glorified Ad and what’s worse, it was probably free!!

Serbian

I didn't hear the interview, but from what it seems, Philip Nolan has managed to pull the wool over the eyes of the uninformed joe public once again. Because of incompetent interviewers and the mass marketing of Eircom, people like my Dad think Eircom are 'cheap' as regards internet access, and show great initiative to introduce products such as ADSL...