Fight Fans

Rupture41 · 10-01-2003 6:18pm #1

Are there any passionate fighting game fans out there? Does anyone (apart from myself) have KoF2001 for the DC?

spooky donkey · 10-01-2003 6:33pm

fight games are only good with a few mates and a few beers.

I got for tekken on the ol psx myself!

Pity theres no real good fight games for the PC.

Placebo · 10-01-2003 6:43pm

Well .

I have Tekken 4 for ps2 , gonna get Marvel vs capcom 2 soon .
Il probably end up getting , SNK VS CAPCOM 2 .
I wanna get Street fighter 3 ( 3rd strike for dc)

So basically i have nothing although i wanna get everything .

I was in thailand and they had Kof 2001 for pc , he went to get it after i asked for it , Soon he came back telling me it was sold out .

Guilty gear X is a great game for PC , also out for ps2 .

Bleh i have roms , loads of fighting roms .
Kof 97 , 98 , 99
Marvel vs capcom
Marvel vs Street fighter
Street fighter 2 ( rainbow edition)
Samurai shodown 4
wakku wakku 7
and What not .

I had street fighter 2 turbo revival x for Gba , sold it .

Placebo · 10-01-2003 6:44pm

I think i have Street fighter alpha 2 for pc upstairs some where .

Yeah , i also have Mortal combat 4 for pc upstairs .

Funky · 10-01-2003 7:27pm

Soul Caliber on Dreamcast > *

spooky donkey · 10-01-2003 7:36pm

Yeah i have a few fight games in emu`s for the pc but no real pc fight games. I must look out for that one guilty gear X then!

theciscokid · 10-01-2003 11:30pm

Originally posted by Funky
Soul Caliber on Dreamcast > *

soul calibur

:rolleyes:

bugs · 10-01-2003 11:59pm

KOF2001 sucks donkies.... the whole series has gone straight down the toilet ever since 98.
And anyway, its probably the most boring beat em up to play single player, the CPU just uses cheap crap, very little intelligent play at all, mostly doesn't attack for the vast majority of the match then suddenly hops on you for the last 10 seconds involving some form of SSDM killing you utterly.
KOF2002 is a carbon copy of this, its all really just gone wrong since playmore took over and brezzasoft (team KOF from SNK days) left, now all you get is sprite copies and moronic updates.
Used to have an AES neo geo home system with kof2000 and a few others, but i wouldnt buy anything past 2000.

Since you have a DC, go look for last blade 2, its pretty much the same as the neo geo original, very technical fighter, and looks great, possibly the best looking the neo geo ever got.

Guilty gear XX will be out here soon, for those of you with X already, its not much different, about 4 new characters but it has actual endings now and you can unlock justice and kliff who were arcade originals but were not added to X (only added to X plus which was sold in japan)
Better loading in XX too, and a mission mode which is insanely hard. So easy to pick up as well, altho proving to be a bugger to really get to a good level at it.

Tekken 4 is ****e :P

Get tekken tag, its still better

Placebo · 11-01-2003 4:22pm

:eek: i am not a big fan of 3d fighting games , tekken 4 seemed good at the time .

I think i also have last blade 1 and 2 for neogeo . Will look out for guilty gear xx , thanks . KOF is kinda erm slow .

Now Street fighter , theres a game for ya .

^CwAzY^ · 11-01-2003 8:57pm

I loved the mortal kombat series but in my opinion there haven't been any decent fight games released since before 2000. Virtua fighter 1 & 2 are also worth a mention.

po0k · 11-01-2003 10:21pm

Street Fighter 2 on the Amiga with 2 joysticks, a mate and a rainy afternoon.

Nuff said tbh.

deadl0ck · 11-01-2003 10:51pm

I'm a pretty big fight fan.
For the DC I have Marvel VS Capcom (Original), Marvel VS Capcom 2(Original), Guilty Gear X(Copy), Garou Mark of the Wolves(Copy), Soul Calibre(Original), Fighting Vipers(Copy), Dead or Alive(Copy), Powerstone 2(Copy)

I also played Street Fighter II Champion Edition and X-Men Vs Street Fighter on my MAME Cabinet a Lot, not to mention Killer Instinct on Ultra64

Retr0gamer · 11-01-2003 11:17pm

For fight game fans theres only three options at the moment.

1. Get some old emulated capcom and snk beat em ups. Stay away from mortal kombat they aren't the best. In my opinion Street Fighter 2 has never been bettered.

2. Virtua fighter 4 for PS2. Tekken 4 is ****e. The characters are really unbalanced and it's not much fun. If you don't take fighting games seriously then DOA series are all great button mashers.

3. Pick up Soul Caliber or Street Fighter 3 on the DC. You won't be dissappoint.

Funky · 12-01-2003 1:59pm

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Placebo · 12-01-2003 3:03pm

Marvel VS Capcom 2(Original),

That stupid game is 64 euros for the ps2 , i want it !!!!!
and street fighter 3 is not even out for the ps2 !!!! argh !

bugs · 13-01-2003 7:06pm

Street fighter in general killed itself around about super SF II, everything after that has been pretty poor, alpha 1 and 2 were ok, 3 was crap.
Oh yeah, almost all of capcom's Versus series are such huge balls of ****e. Peddling crack in the form of characters like marvel and snk where they know the loyal will pick them up and try try and try some more to find good in the games. Stop trying, you can't, they're cra_p!

Placebo · 13-01-2003 10:28pm

eh , i dont think so .

Super street fighter 2 turbo , was great , we were sick of the same old characters and finally some change was great(except T-hawk)

Street fighter alpha brought out the SUPER system , where you could do super moves , never b4 seen in ne street fighter .

Street fighter alpha 2 developed on alpha 1 with more great characters .

Street fighter alpha 3 went a bit over bord and added every single chracater to date on it , just like Mortal kombat trilogy .

Marvel vs capcom is still a classic , MARVEL vs CAPCOM was a great idea .(i havent played part 2 yet)

As for snk vs capcom series , i havent played , looks a bit dodgy but then again its got a great concept i think .

Street fighter 3 .......... 2nd impact .......blah blach .
I agree , too many to keep up with , but street fighter 3 (third strike) is just a classic

And as for Street fighter Ex plus , 1 , 2 ,3 . There pretty ok aswell . Trying playing part 2 on the impact emulator its pretty good .

If you think street fighter series is **** now then i ask
"WHat is good" ?

bugs · 14-01-2003 1:07am

Ohhh kay,

Super street fighter 2 was a good decent sized, worth while upgrade from street fighter 2. It wasn't because of fei long, t hawk, dee jay and cammy as they're pretty hopeless characters at best.
It introduced a nice combo system, cancels and balanced alot of the characters while adding new moves like low block breaks.
Super SF 2 turbo added fupp all, turbo, wow, haven't seen that before, now i can play a game faster than its designed to be played, joy!

Street fighter alpha, it only appeared as interest was disappearing due to capcom spending about 6 years redrawing the same characters in the same game. So, we get all the characters that no one wanted to play as in SF 1, once again, joy!
As you say, it added supers, which it took from SNK (who had stolen their fair share from capcom i admit). It was amusing but didn't really add much to the game. The characters were pretty tedious, ken and ryu were now chucked in with a very unbalanced set of characters. Alpha 2 has the same problem and its pretty much the same game with some of the old SF2 characters returning (jesus, i wonder why, could it be that they could see no one wanted to play as birdie, guy, sakura or any of the other boring characters??)
Still no real addition of anything new over super SF 2, custom combo's, boring. Added reversals but made them too easy to do, which means you never get hit.
Alpha 3, a lesson in trying to make something with alot of depth and failing miserably. Strangely tho, even more of the original SF cast are brought back....hmmmm.

Marvel Vs. Capcom and ALL of the other Versus series. I hate these games with a passion, changed too much of the SF physics, timing goes right out the window. Super jumps are stupid, disorientate both players, new dash is too short and leaves you open, returned to the easy form of reversals. Most unbalanced series of games yet, characters like cyclops are incredibly strong and virtually unbeatable. Then again, its not meant to be a serious fighter, its more of a comedy thing or something.
Can't be bothered to talk about it much, its not a proper fighter.

Street fighter 3 never appealled to me, and i haven't really played it much so i can't say much about it. Everything else i've played at length.

Tekken in my opinion is the most impressive fighting game out there at the moment, it was always impressive looking from tekken 1 upwards but they really started to put a lot of depth into it from 3 onwards. Tag is probably the most technically brilliant fighter out there, in that it has a huge amount of depth, but its unlike VF4 where theres just too much for you to ever master everything.
Tekken 4 is a huge let down but i'm putting it down to this new style they've adapted, hopefully they'll refine it in the next games.

As far as 2d fighters go, guilty gear X or XX pretty much wipes the floor. Great to play, anyone can pick it up and knock out some cool juggles and moves. Looks like its come directly from the artboard of an anime. Its great, i can't say enough good things about it.

Rant over, returning to normal.....

bugs · 14-01-2003 1:11am

Just read the bit about street fighter EX games, hahahahahah, they weren't even capcom games. They were designed by akira, who took a hatchet to the game and murdered it.

Retr0gamer · 14-01-2003 7:52pm

Yeah the EX games were diabolical. They played like Mortal Kombat 3, which is crap, but without the crap blood.

Rupture41 · 14-01-2003 10:47pm

How about Ehrgeiz on the PS? While lacking depth, though great fun to play(more fun than its DC "rival" Powerstone, dare I say, which garnered much more acclaim and publicity). It was also excellent value for money with Tekken 3 beating mini-games and a diverting, if lacklustre RPG thrown in to boot.

spooky donkey · 15-01-2003 3:31pm

This thread reminds me that i have soul blade for the ps1 and i never really played it much. I rember it looking much like tekken. But it had an rpg story feel to it. I must dig out the o`l psx and have a go of that one. I never really gave it a chance. tekken 3 dominated my psx when i played it a lot.

Rupture41 · 15-01-2003 8:14pm

Is it just me or was SoulCalibur completely overrated? Apart from the 8Way Run feature it seemed almost a step backward when compared to its predecessor; losing the weapon-break and Critical Edge features. It also lacked the excellent CG intro sequence of the original along with the interactive real-time endings. The score was lacking too, without any memorable tracks. As for the Edge Master Quest mode there was little incentive to keep playing without any extra weapons to collect...aaaaand as with all Namco Fighters it requires little skill to achieve good results, making it prime fodder for the Button Bashers. Strangely, it was SEGA's flagship DC title over here; as the arcade version was mostly overlooked and regarded as mainly a casual affair with little depth.

bugs · 15-01-2003 8:20pm

For what it is, its great. Its not a crazy technical game, its just made to literally button bash with friends, outside of that, its boring.
Never understand why they put block in as a button, its easily the most annoying thing about the game and if you play it long enough and get used to it, it fupps up all your other fighters as you hammer left kick in an attempt to block.
Its hugely cheap so perfect for mashers, but its a bit of fun.

Rupture41 · 15-01-2003 8:20pm

Is it just me or was SoulCalibur completely overrated? Apart from the 8Way Run feature it seemed almost a step backward when compared to its predecessor; losing the weapon-break and Critical Edge features. It also lacked the excellent CG intro sequence of the original along with the interactive real-time endings. The score was lacking too, without any memorable tracks. As for the Edge Master Quest mode there was little incentive to keep playing without any extra weapons to collect...aaaaand as with all Namco Fighters it requires little skill to achieve good results, making it prime fodder for the Button Bashers. Strangely, it was SEGA's flagship DC title over here; as the arcade version was mostly overlooked and regarded as mainly a casual affair with little depth.

Dont be at yourself · 15-01-2003 8:35pm

It's just you. Hopefully.

Rupture41 · 15-01-2003 10:34pm

Does anyone know of any tournaments going ahead anywhere? The only one that I know of was a VF4 tournament held in Kilkenny last summer by Gamesworld(which I missed). I mean, considering the response this thread has gotten so far, fighters seem to still have a fair old following here.

BLITZ_Molloy · 16-01-2003 12:51pm

I've got VF4 for the PS2.

For the DC I've got King of the Fighter DM1999 (essentially 1998), Soul Calibur.

Kof 2002 is meant to be a real retrn to form. They got rid of all the striker stuff so now its far more like 1998 again. They still haven't replaced all their special moves yet but its close.

Nowadays I play KoF the most. VF4 is brilliant but the depth tends to scare me a little. It's the best choice for single player but not one your going to pull out when your friends come round.

At the moment I'm pretty dissolusioned with Tekken. The play mechanics need alot of work and T4 made no attempts to revolutionise. On rails combos are so restrictive. They should be making things more flexible.

Dont be at yourself · 16-01-2003 6:44pm

Come to think of it, Bushido Blade is the best beat em up ever. It's a real shame that it's never been copied since.

Shinji · 16-01-2003 7:42pm

And, indeed, that the second one was crap.

That said, I have an idea in my head that Square are working on a new Bushido Blade style game, but I can't for the life of me work out why I think this. It may have been an announcement ages ago that hasn't been followed up upon.

bugs · 17-01-2003 12:48am

KOF2002 is trash, no strikers (which were making themselves useful) essentially no new characters (the new ones are clones of old ones) and its just 2001 with new backgrounds and the same boring ass AI.
Hopefully they'll soon realise that its gone too far, at the very very least it needs to be designed on a platform more powerful than the 12 year old neo geo, especially when they transfer them to ps2 and DC with no change in graphics/sound anything.

Its sad but its time they just stopped, the neo geo is dead, all its games series are defunct and dead, and all playmore are achieving is staining some good games with some horrible sequels.

Just as a note, they canned their production of SNK vs. capcom (thank god) but are fully intent on ruining the samurai shodown series by letting eolith at it.

Dont be at yourself · 17-01-2003 6:37pm

Originally posted by Shinji

That said, I have an idea in my head that Square are working on a new Bushido Blade style game, but I can't for the life of me work out why I think this. It may have been an announcement ages ago that hasn't been followed up upon.

Wahey! As long as it's not another Ehrgeiz, eh?

batman_oh · 17-01-2003 6:53pm

bah they have been goin downhill for a while, trash like dead or alive and repeated ****e sequles to street fighter etc have caused this
tekken tag is the best fightin game ever made(besides the disgustin pal version) depth like no other that requires techincal skill and knowledge to play properly
tekken 4 is contrary to what some have said totally different to tag, and is actually extremely well balanced with the exception of maybe jin, but due to the way they decided to balance it it rendered void what set apart the really good players from the quite good in tag
virtua fighter is a whole different thing, havin seen the euro champ play it it really is sick and gay at a high level, it is not more technical, just the gameplay is more reaction based than tekken, and often seems to revolve around who can press buttons faster in strings
2d's have gone to pot, kof is still good, even tho its been downhill since 98 but capcom have lost the plot entirely, their highlight was super sf2 turbo in 1995 i think and it is still the sf of choice for the masters of the game
other games are fun, but lack the ability to achieve a really high level of play, and this is what sets them apart for me
tekken(tag ntsc/arcade) has the highest player base of any fightin game and has the most potential for reachin a level well above other people
virtua fighter is next
then street fighter which is a horrific experience to watch high level matches

Placebo · 17-01-2003 7:29pm

Calm down bugs , anyway i got street fighter alpha 3 off a friend , it is ABSOULTE rubbish .

Graphics CRAP
Sound Bleh (didnt listen to any bmgs yet)
Gameplay ****E

TOO much crappy **** on the screen , Graphics are awful , too many crappy players !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think l go with bugs and pass Marvel vs capcom 2, cause that could be ****e .

Marvel vs capcom 1 was great although , i havenk played the SNK vs series but they looks kinda **** now that i think of it .

NEOGEO 4ever ..........
Samurai shodown 4 is the best thing ever :P

Horsefumbler · 20-01-2003 3:51pm

TBH i had no idea there were so many street fighter games (i stopped playing after super SF 2 on snes) I recently got super street fighter 2 turbo revival for gba and thought it was great although a bit easy so i then got Capcom vs SNK 2 for the GC. Even though the GC controllers are crap for these type of games I think its a very decent game. There's 6 different fighting grooves to play with and a **** load of characters. You can also change the colours of all the characters and give the new names. The Xbox version that is coming out is going to b an online game. That sounds ****ing deadly coz you'll b able to find a worthy opponent. Are there any other online fighting games out i havn't heard of any.

deadl0ck · 20-01-2003 4:08pm

You can Use MAME32K (MAME Emulator with Kaillera support) to play MAME online with your PC - then you can play stuff Like X-Men VS Street Fighter with worthy opponents !

bugs · 20-01-2003 8:04pm

Capcom versus snk 1 and 2 both had great potential.....then of course, i forgot it was a versus series game and obviously would suck.
Pity that, they hacked the bejesus outta the snk characters, none of them move properly and they get owned by ken and ryu or anyone with a fireball.

But the worst thing i noticed was the sprite gfx, on the ps2 version anyway, what the hell is up there. Nicely polished 3d backgrounds and then these horrible looking pixellated things in the foreground. Its not even funny, the snes sprites looked better!

Horsefumbler · 22-01-2003 1:32pm

Yeah the sprites in some cases look a little crap but they could be worse. What do u mean they hacked the snk characters? Some of them can batter ken and ryu(I think sagat is better than those two anyway). Do you really think it's such a bad game? What would u say is the best of the street-fighter series?

Placebo · 22-01-2003 7:20pm

Ah bugs is right , great 3d backgrounds and characters look **** ,
I think by hacked he means they are just ripped from the orignal game and not really made again properly , i think .

Best street fighter series ? Street fighter 2 turbo /
and street fighter rainbow edition . marvel vs capcom , street fighter 3 (third strike)

theciscokid · 22-01-2003 7:26pm

i am self proclaimed world champion of streetfighter

bring it on:D

Placebo · 22-01-2003 7:28pm

ah cant wait for the ps2 to go online .

world ranking system !!!!!!!

bugs · 22-01-2003 11:57pm

By hacked, i meant "hacked to bits". I'm not pushed that they redrew the characters using capcom artists, fair enuff, thats ok. The problem is that they changed the SNK play physics to capcom style stuff. Whats the point of having grooves if they snk characters can no longer run (the dash is too slow, it can't be cancelled) or do most anything that the kof series relies on.

And seeing as snk doesn't really go for the fireballs and stuff, and the fact they all had the speed of running and jumping taken away. It just makes it a nitemare trying to keep up with ken or ryu.

Horsefumbler · 23-01-2003 12:32pm

Well I have never actually played the snk games so call me an ignorant prick if u must but i don't think there are inequalities between ALL the snk characters and ryu & ken. Obviuosly oafs like Chang aren't going to have much of a chance but neither would gimps like zangief on the capcom side.Is Marvel vs capcom any good? I heard it was better?

bugs · 23-01-2003 7:05pm

Alot of the SNK characters are powerless against the capcom characters. Its not really balanced as the specials and moves of the snk characters aren't really suited to the way capcom games play. King of fighters itself is pretty unbalanced as is, with alot of different styles from alot of SNK's games trying to get in there.

Depends on the situation, haohmaru destroys m. bison and most characters that have long delays after attacks due to the huge damage a simple fierce sword attack can do ( same as samurai shodown). Blanka seems to murder everything, but thats nothing new. I'd say its just not possible to make it perfect, what they've done is ok, but its not great.

Played Marvel Versus capcom and the other variations, don't like em, but thats just me

Retr0gamer · 25-01-2003 8:43pm

I'd whoop your ass at street fighter 2 champion edition ciscokid!

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