Women huf !

You know the old story women talk about , he is a bastard he has done this and has done that you cant trust men . Men this nad men that !
But in the last few years these stories have been changing . Lots of my friends really nice guys have been hurt by their girlfriends doing the dirt on them.Some of them have sorted their differences. Its seems if a man cheats he is a bastard but if a woman its still the mans fault. I know about 10 girls that have cheated on their fella and i know of 2 guys that have cheated on their girls . Is this the modern woman ? Will men soon be saying to themselves its hard to find the right woman ?

Wolf

When I was younger I ofetn had 4 of 5 girls on the go at the one time. But then I found a girl I liked and the guilt played havoc on me. Since that I a one girl kinda guy and treat wemon with total respect.

Since iv been like that I have been traeted like absolute sh1t! Wemon have just walked over me time and time again. I been treated really badly.

But at the end of the day you have to lick your wounds and just keep trying and hope that one day you will find that special someone that will look after you and treat you as well as you treat them.

Althought I do have a tendency to go for the very strong, out going, good looking wemon so its kinda my fault but im sure ill get it right eventually.

Seraphina

problem being karma. what goes around comes around.
you treat a woman like **** enough, and she's gonna start doing it to someone else
after years of being treated like crap, women are getting their own back. get used to it

god i sound like such a man-hating feminist.

sutty

Well I can second whats been said, I've had it happen to me before, and as far as I know I've never misstreated or cheated them. So that rules out karma :rolleyes:

Wolf

Also cant be karma. You see I had a few wemon on the go yeah but they never got hurt. I felt bad about and they never found out. Because if its karma, Iv been treated so bad Im due some real happyness really soon

Seraphina

hey dont look at me
*shrugs*
there are some women out there that are just bitches. like there are men that are jerks.

Victor

Originally posted by Seraphina
problem being karma. what goes around comes around. you treat a woman like **** enough, and she's gonna start doing it to someone else after years of being treated like crap, women are getting their own back. get used to it

But who were these men cheating with? I contend that it was with **shock horror** mostly women. Most men sleep around a bit. Soem women sleep with all those men.

LegacyUser

Originally posted by Seraphina
problem being karma. what goes around comes around.
you treat a woman like **** enough, and she's gonna start doing it to someone else
after years of being treated like crap, women are getting their own back. get used to it

god i sound like such a man-hating feminist.

damn straight you sound like a man-hating feminist, you obviously are one.

what you're saying is absolute rubbish. you have no reason to believe that the guy in the original post has treated women like ****. i've never treated women like ****. i'd wager most guys havent treated women like ****. of course men have held all the cards for centuries before. women were treated liek **** when men werent. but that doesnt justify a turning of the tables. we should aim at equality, not a scenario whereby one sex treats another like ****. the focus should be on the individual, not some sex-based karma system. shame on you.

Beruthiel

this is a ridiculous thread!
so, some men and some women cheat, are you trying to tell me there is something new here? we can all whinge about a crap relationship, so - just pick yourself up and move along

Originally posted by Beruthiel
this is a ridiculous thread!
so, some men and some women cheat, are you trying to tell me there is something new here? we can all whinge about a crap relationship, so - just pick yourself up and move along

Its not that some men cheat and that some women cheat but the ratio has seemed to change recently showing women doing to more cheating .

Gordon

Originally posted by Dre as in Dray
...the ratio has seemed to change recently showing women doing to more cheating .

Everybody DOWN!!! Someones just taken the pin out of an unjustified statistic grenade. FIRE IN THE HOLE!!

I really don't see any difference in men/women. Both sexes are equally bad. The fact that you haven't noticed guys do it that much is because
-They dont tell you
-They haven't managed to but they would if they had the choice.
-They are lying.

Beruthiel

Originally posted by Dre as in Dray
the ratio has seemed to change recently showing women doing to more cheating .

I'd like to see your stats??

That is the exact reason for my post . I have noticed it on my side with friends and friends of friends . I was just seeing did anybody else share the same eperience .

Matfinn

I dont mean to be ignorant here, but I would consider myself to be a nice guy, and I have had terrible luck with women. Everytime I meet a girl ( and it doesnt happen alot ), I get on great with her that night, and then she gives me her number. As soon as I txt them, then they dont reply. I try to be nice to girls aswell and one some occasions they have walked all over me. This happened when I worked in Superquinn at the age of 16, and I was nearly oblivious to it.
There was another case where a girl was getting into my mates car for a lift, and there wasnt room for her. I offered to get the bus with her ( a friendly gesture, wasnt trying to get stuck in or anything ), and she jumped straight into my seat and off they went, leaving me waiting on a bus on my own. Sound.

Just that small **** that really wrecks my head. Im not trying to vent my anger here, just warning any people to watch out for that ****. I know there are nice women aswell in the world, so I havent taken the stance of thinking every woman in the world is a bitch, however I have yet to meet a genuinely decent one.

Matt

GoneShootin

im deadly for juggling women

ive got palm and her five sisters on the go every day

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aaaaahhhh hahahahahahahah *bonk* (gone flops to the floor from exhaustion)

Durden

Matt, you poor poor child... you have my pity. But I'd like to say there really are a lot of very nice women out there. there are also a lot of b*tches too...

lili

geeeeeeeeeeezzzzz!

what a high opinion about women you have:rolleyes:

if someone cheat, man or woman, it's cause there is a reason to that.

leeroybrown

Of course people cheat. A lot of them probably like the thrill of playing the field.

Both men and women do it!

Nevyn

Yes they say that Women are having more affairs and that it is to do with less woman wanting stabilty of a long term realtionship as they dont want to have children.

Also less women are settling for less and are looking out of a realationship upgrade to a better model.

Nothing that Man have not been doing for years that some women are doing now a lot like they way drinking pints used to be

Durden

geeeeeeeeeeezzzzz!

what a high opinion about women you have

Me? I do actually...

lili

so what?
don't you think women have the same feelings about men?!

Durden

Yeah, of course... but I was trying to re-assure matt that there are nice women out there... i did have to agree that there are b*tches too... same thing aplys to guys, I know this from both my experience and my friends

McGinty

Whilst I concede that it appears that more women are being unfaithful, I don't think it is a one sex problem. There are warm, loving women out there, who are kind and considerate. I am one of them, well so I've been told. And I've been treated badly but I don't think all men are bad, in actual fact I think men are great, I love all your quirky little ways. I've also met some decent fellas too. But I will say this, there are some women, who love bad fellas and treat nice fellas like dirt. Why? Low self esteem, women are very hard on themselves, not that this will be admitted but you watch in a pub, espically a group of females and watch each of them observing the dress code, figure, etc. Each of them are comparing the other. This drags their esteem down, and then they try to build their esteem up by attracting the attention of a man and then rejecting it, depending though.

Also what does a man constitute treating a girl well? If the man listens, is attentive, gives of his emotions and time, then yes that is treating her well. However if he thinks that by giving her a bunch of flowers, etc but won't hug her or listen to her then no. She is going to feel isolated and cut off. The key to a woman's heart is sacrifice, sacrifice your time to her and she will be faithful and yours. But then maybe I am wrong. On our part we should treat you as the wonderful heroes that you are. Jesus now I will be in for a right slagging, C'est la vie,

Spunj

I blame "Sex and the City" :rolleyes:

Offy

There are warm, loving women out there, who are kind and considerate.

Where? No I'm serious where are they? Send one my way. Plzzzzz. Just kidding.

The key to a woman's heart is sacrifice, sacrifice your time to her and she will be faithful and yours.

Not always, its not a man/woman thing, its life. You can become an assh*le no matter what sex you are.

Pigman

Originally posted by McGinty
The key to a woman's heart is sacrifice, sacrifice your time to her and she will be faithful and yours. [/B]

I was waiting for some woman to come on here to say that! I was particularly interested in how she'd phrase it too.

So we give the sacrifice and you return the faithfulness? Doesn’t seem like much of a deal to me. But then it's always been the way hasn’t it? Only difference is the modern woman wants to be an ‘equal’ yet still wants her man to be the chivalrous knight and round around after her as though she is some spoilt child to be doted upon. Sorry sister but words ‘cake’ ‘have’ and ‘eat’ suddenly come to mind.

And McGinty whilst I’m sure you (and ALL other woman who read this :rolleyes:) are the wonderful exceptions that prove the rule I can honestly say that I’ve never been involved with a woman that made me enjoy my time more or made me feel more fulfilled as a person than I did when I was single. So whilst I applaud all you ‘shippers’ out there who just HAVE to be with your special someone I’ll just keep my hand out of the vipers pit for now thank you very much!

Don’t get me wrong here I’m not saying women are bad. I’m just saying they just make very bad people to get involved with on anything other than a professional or friendship level. I put this down to the boundaries in those scenarios being are more clearly defined and accepted by the 'the participants' but then what do I know? I’m just a miserable woman-hating cynic after all. *yawn*

But to get back to the thread authors observations. Yes I’d warrant you are right. More women are probably sleeping around these days due to a number of reasons. But my response to that is ..... so what? Who cares? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander! As long as they are ACCOUNTABLE for their actions (and this is where I find a majority of women fall down) then I have no problem with it.

Act like an equal and you will be treated like one.

PiE

Haven't read whole thread but I'd jus like to say a whore's a whore no matter what sex they happen to be.

hedgetrimmer

I think the whole issue of gender roles in relatioships is fading, leading to much inherent confusion, but I honestly don't think men are more to blame then women, or vice vearsa.

I think *people* being *people* are to blame

The Corinthian

Originally posted by McGinty
And I've been treated badly but I don't think all men are bad, in actual fact I think men are great, I love all your quirky little ways.

The first part of that sentence is explained by the second.

The key to a woman's heart is sacrifice, sacrifice your time to her and she will be faithful and yours.

The key to a man's heart is flexibility. I mean that literally...

Kell

Gotta agree with the Corinthian there with flexibility being the key. I think establishing the ground rules early on is a good thing to do as well i.e. this is my lifestyle and if you can think you can get along with that then fine. Otherwise F*** Off. Saves a lot of hassle, phonecalls that consist of silence at the other end because you went out with your mates last night and not her and a lot of whinging. If someone accepts you as you are, including your quirks, nights out with the lads/girls etc etc it stands to reason that they will be less prompted to go and do the dirt when given the opportunity. I used to do it all the time until now where I figure I have the best deal on the planet so why f*ck it up.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by Kell
Gotta agree with the Corinthian there with flexibility being the key.

In fairness, while I do concur that understanding and compromise is important in any relationship, I did mean flexible literally - the ability to put your ankles behind your ears goes a long way towards getting a man to put up with all your various neurosis.

Gordon

you ol' dog you!

Typedef

Originally posted by Dre as in Dray Lots of my friends really nice guys have been hurt by their girlfriends doing the dirt on them.

A friend of mine.... lets call him Typedef (to protect the innocent), had another friend (who was female). Anyway, this female friend had a boyfriend but was under the impression that after five years of being with him and since there had been no sign of moving in together, that it was time to look to greener pastures. This chick thought she would give her boyfriend until Feburary 2003 to come up with a plan for an apartment or she would dump him.
Anyway between the jigs and the reals, this chick ends up hooking up with my friend, under the pretence that her boyfriend is a dead loss.
Then a couple of weeks later this chick to quote "gets left on her tod" at a party by her boyfriend and so she hooks up with another one of her ex-boyfriends, again under the banner of (my relationship with my boyfriend is collapsing).

Predictably the boyfriend has his family find money to get him an apartment (to satisfy this chick) or so the rumour mill goes.
So, yes, my friend (Typedef) was rather glad, it was some other poor sucker and not him.

Its seems if a man cheats he is a bastard but if a woman its still the mans fault.

Sorry this is a standard premis in the man/woman relationship, the man is always wrong, because he wants sex more then the woman, basically, not putting to fine a point on it.

I know about 10 girls that have cheated on their fella and i know of 2 guys that have cheated on their girls . Is this the modern woman ? Will men soon be saying to themselves its hard to find the right woman ?

Hmm, the above story, sheds some light on it for me. Then again I'm a cynic, maybe there is such thing as true love and poor men can end up with rich women, because hey, it's personality that counts at the end of the day.
Not the apartment your boyfriend's family provide right?

Beruthiel

personality that counts at the end of the day.
Not the apartment your boyfriend's family provide right?

I would have thought so, unless of course, you are totally shallow......

nillis

I guess you could use this board as a mirror on our society reflecting this issue. Anyway on this P.I. board there are always way more guys who complain about relationships and being treated unfairly by women than the other way around.

So either guys are bigger moaners or women are all bitches or there seems to be a communication problem between men and women (like guys are reading the "signs" all wrong.)

I personally believe that women confuse guys with their actions and words making them believe things thay are not true. Because of this guys get wrong idea and end up getting hurt unnecessarily.

Mercury_Tilt

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Typedef

I dont mean to be ignorant here, but I would consider myself to be a nice guy, and I have had terrible luck with women

Restraint: Yeah, umm, nice guys finish last don't you know?

monument

Originally posted by nillis
Anyway on this P.I. board there are always way more guys who complain about relationships and being treated unfairly by women than the other way around.

I think thats because of the amount of men/woman using boards.ie

McGinty

Memo to me:-

Do remind me not to post on any boards re: women's issues. Jesus the attitude problems are unbelievable.

Pigman, with your cyncism, yes I agree, keep out of the vipers nest.

Corinthum: Although I did not completely understand your meaning of quote:

"The first part of that sentence is explained by the second"

My take on it is that because of the fact that I have/do naively like men that I have been treated badly because of that. Well if that is the case does that make me a sap for being that way / or you and others like you, hard cynics.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by McGinty
My take on it is that because of the fact that I have/do naively like men that I have been treated badly because of that. Well if that is the case does that make me a sap for being that way / or you and others like you, hard cynics.

Maybe I'm just teasing you petal.

Kell

Seems the boards bring out top notch sarcastic jibes in people, but seriously McGinty, I dont think the MODS would let it get too out of hand to the extent of allowing people be insulted etc etc rah rah, even if they are the protagonists behind most of it.

ShayK1

Well i used to be really really nice to woman when i was younger and i got nowhere but i did eventually find a girl that liked me as much as i liked her...........she cheated on me 4 times (that i know of) in 3 years and i cheated on her once the night before we broke up! (That wasn't the reason we broke up though).......after that i said f*ck it and i started to care less and less about what women thought of me and i was scoring pretty much everywhere i went! Friends flats, nite clubs, college.....even in work! I had 5 woman on the go at the one time however i was honest and let them all know about each other none of them expect any commitment!!
that me i gone again !! I meet the funniest sexiest lady about three weeks ago and on sunday she became my girlfriend! So bye bye the other 4.

neuro-praxis

In some of the jobs I've had, I've just gotten a pain in the face listening to the women b|tch on about men being b@stards.

Perhaps I am the only one, but I've never been treated badly in any relationship. All of the guys I've gone out with have been great. I had one horribly messy break-up but it had nothing to do with anyone being unfaithful.

I think you need to not settle for second best. It's important to me that my friends/boyfriends are good people generally who don't accept disloyalty and infidelity as a run of the mill thing.

As for guys or girls being worse in this area - well frankly I have no idea. The majority of my friends are male and they're lovely guys, and my two best female friends have never been unfaithful to anybody.

Bottom line: don't worry about it. Find girls who give a damn about you enough to be faithful.

Pigman

Originally posted by McGinty

Pigman, with your cyncism, yes I agree, keep out of the vipers nest.

It was actually a vipers PIT.

Irregardless, typical female knee-jerk response to criticism was to see it like I was inadvertly doing HER a favour when I was I actually only highlighting that I was trying to service myself thru her unwanted absence ... and beneficially so.

If you lot were any more predictable in your reactions you'd be robots.

Kell

Another thought on the whole female bitchiness- has anyone noticed the blatant sexist remarks in alcho pops marketing? Especially the Archers Aqua drinks. Every bus shelter I pass has an Aqua advert on it with some sexist remark about men. And in radio ads too. And TV ads. Every washing powder ad is a stab at apparant male inadeqecy. I dont think too many female sexist remarks would be tolerated for too long if they started appearing at bus stops on the TV. The womens lobby would be in arms but we're expected to get on with it.

The Corinthian

/me makes the extreme effort not to be completely cynical or sarcastic…

As has already been correctly pointed out, either gender has an equal ability to be a shit to the other. Some people are self-centred, unfaithful and cruel while others would be miserable if they didn’t have someone to keep them unhappy. The remaining 0.5% are normal well balanced individuals.

What is being debated here is largely a question of gender-based prejudice; the assumption that men are the bad guys while the women are the victims in any relationship. Much like any advert denoting drink driving where it’s a male driver at the wheel. Statistically this may be still true, but many of these assumptions are based upon surveys that are often over twenty years old - for this reason it is important that they are continually questioned.

Indeed, five years ago, a survey in Italy showed that infidelity in a marriage is more likely to be as a result the wife cheating than the husband. Now, there’s something that flies in the face of a few assumptions.

WhiteWashMan

you can talk about people being paople and that some women like this and that and men want this and that, but at the end of the day, if you dont want your partner to be unfaithful, then pick someone who is not going to be unfaithful.

some poeple are unfaithful all the time. and some people have been unfaithful once. and some people are never unfaithful.

i guess if you are happy in your relationship and comfortable with the person you are with and there is a good and happy relationship, then the second two catagories of person are not going to be unfaithful.

of course, getting into a relationship that is happy and stable and trusting, is the hard part.

my point is, maybe some people should be a bit fussy about who they go out with. too many people are desperate to go out with someone to make themselves feel batter. some people think that to not be in a relationship is a sign of unhappiness, and it doesnt matter who they go out with, as long as they have someone to call their partner.
i would not go out with anyone who is not 100% committed to a relationship. i would not go out with someone i have just met. i would prefer to go out with someone i have developed a relationship with over time, someone who i fel i can trust and i love. but then again, im not insecure about myself, and i have been in the situation where i felt i needed someone to be happy. i have overcome that and realised that what i need to be happy, are the things that i want, not what i think i want.
its all so easy when you have been out the other side, but its not so easy when all you see is hte bad things about things in life

i used to have a real issue with infidelity to the point where even songs about it used to make me cringe. but then i realised i wasnt happy with my life, with my partner or with myself, so i changed what i could, did the things that made me happy for once, instead of what made my partner happy, and discovered that i could be in a relationship and feel trusting and happy with the right person.
so, the only reason for poeple do the dirt is because they are insecude, or its just part of their life style.
in which case, i would avoid both.

of course, it could all be bollocks and i may just have to spend the rest of my life worrying about soething that in the end of the day, if it happens, theres nothing i can do to stop it.
so why worry?

by the way, the idea that women are worse than men is pure rubbish. both sexes are just as bad as each other, and both are just as stupid as each other sometimes.

lili

well talked!
personaly, i think if you cheat your partner, it's cause something is wrong in your relation with him or her.
means somewhere you don't get what you need. so better to clean the place, it's like that, c'est la vie.